Fallguy

Rode about 60 miles last Tuesday, first time since just before Christmas. I don't winterized the bike so try to get at least a day or two of riding in in the cooler months.

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Glad it was cleared up

Exactly which law of the many that are considered the "Castle Doctrine" are you talking about? In TN you can't have a loaded weapon in your vehicle without a HCP like you can in your home. Unlike some states that are also considered to have "Castle Laws" or the "Castle Doctrine" If you are talking about the part of the self-defense law that says you are presumed you were in fear of death or serious bodily harm...I'm not sure it would apply to motorcycle simply because the law says someone has to forcibly and unlawfully "enter" the places listed. There is no real way to "enter" a motorcycle. Of course if you are in a resonable fear of death or serious bodily harm it doesn't matter whether you in a car, on a bike or standing on the street. Some laws do seem to take motorcycles into consideration. The law that allows HCP holders to have loaded (without on in chamber) long weapons does say in or "upon" a private motorvehicle.

If you read the actual text of SB2390 http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/106/Bill/SB2390.pdf what it seems to be basically doing is making it an exception under 39-17-1307 instead of defense under 39-17-1308 Sort of technicality, but I think it is a good things. Many of the things that are defenses under 39-17-1308 should actually be exceptions instead.

I keep hearing it's a buyer's market...but as someone that has been house shopping for a couple of months, it doesn't seem like it on my end.

May try to get with you in the very near future!!

I don't disagree with what you are saying necessarily. I'm just saying I'm not sure if that has anything to do directly with this state bill being introduced. Or with the discussion as to whether the bill violated the state constitution.

I understand, but that doesn't have much to do with TN laws and the TN Constitution that we were discussing.

Perhaps... IMO several of the firearms laws violate the TN constitution. How about 39-17-1307 that says the possession of a firearm is illegal, period! It is only 39-17-1308 that provides for certain defenses to possession, such as being in your home or that is unloaded. Should one really need a defense to just possession in your home (nothing to do with the bearing or arms) if the TN Constitution is supposed see keeping arms as a right?

Isn't the proposed bill for a statewide law? If so then not sure what 39-17-1314 would have to do with it? Even if the bill was some how worded to only include Shelby county, I still don't think 39-17-1314 would apply, again because it is proposing a change to state law, not making a local ordnance.

I have seen some of his post over there... The only thing I could think of to do, is to contact these cities yourself and see what you can find out. The trouble would be talking to anyone with any actual knowledge there. Never know, it could be true, but only enforced when they want to. Where I grew up had an ordnance that didn't allow pool to be played in public after mid-night. Never was an issue until there were problems at/with this one arcade then they dusted of the ordnance book and decided to enforce it.

Definitely bears watching and making our elected officials aware of our disapproval, but maybe this really won't get much traction.

No they're not, they are just trying to follow the board's rules. Infraction issued.

Prayer offered...

It's not about being noticed...it is that because many new to carry "feel" like everyone knows they are carrying or can make them. So it is somewhat of inside joke, but to help them see that no one really does notice or can make you 99% of the time.

The OP has asked about upgrading the stock on his 10/22...if you don't have suggestion as to what type of stock, then there is no real reason to post that you don't like 10/22s or other off-topic messages. Try to keep it on topic and away from personal attacks.

While there are some post on here were members have done the behavior you mention over time I don't think you will find that is what the majority of members do. As far as OC goes, although I rarely, if ever, do it, I fully support those that choose do so as simply a form of carry and not the hey look at me factor. I really don't think that everyone that OC is doing this. I think it is a personal choice and no one person personal choice fits everyone else. I wholeheartedly agree on not informing business of their wrong posting or asking them if prohibit carry or not in the absence of a sign. The only time I might pointing a business to the law about proper posting is if by repeated statements and/or actions they have shown to be determined to cause trouble for those that carry in their place. That would just be so that HCP holders could clearly see before entering.

^^^^^^ But in all seriousness to others that may be following along, that is definitely one of those cases that even where the shooter may have the presumption of being in fear, the DA could feel like he could prove the fear wasn't reasonable and still bring charges.

Yeah...been a while for me too, but it does seem like it took a long time. Also had to drive from Parsons to Nashville (110 miles or so) to get fingerprinted (DOS did them then) because of the backlog to "get an appointment to apply" in Jackson at the time. No someone sends the paper work off on the 1st and wonder if they should call the 15th and ask where it is? lol Oh...and surely he is going to build you a new target frame, right?

I would tell him to be patient. Although it should be in within the next day or two. Being sent to the print farm, doesn't mean it was printed that day and/or that it will be mailed the same day as printed. I understand everyone wanting their HCPs ASAP, but it seems that even a small amount of patience has been in very short order lately.

The only time forcibly (and illegally) comes into effect is whether it is presumed you were in reasonable fear of death or imminent serious bodily harm or not. If someone forcibly and illegally enters the locations in 39-11-611 then it is presumed you are in fear and DA would have to prove otherwise. In other situations, it is not presumed. Depending on the police report etc... the DA may still see it as self-defense or he may not and charge you. Then it would be up to you to prove that you were. You could have every door to the house wide open with a sign that says welcome and if someone meant to do you harm (and you could prove it) it could be self-defense. But another note, my brother the LEO (hard to believe I have one that does that, right ) has told me that forcibly can me just turning a door knob because it took "force" to do that. It doesn't necessarily have to mean "breaking down" the door as many may assume.

Thanks for following up and posting.

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