Fallguy

I thought we were talking about the amendment attached to the National Credit Card Bill, not TN State bill HB0716. AFAIK the state bill simply says that carry is legal in certain places as per Federal Law. However I thought the new Federal Law only covered Federal Parks and Federal WMAs and therefore will not help in LBL since it is neither. Also, even though I haven't been able to find it myself, I keep hearing that TN has a law against carry in National Forrest.

It says on the page you linked: "The State of New Hampshire will only recognize resident concealed handgun licenses from these states" and it list TN as one of those states. I don't see where it requires that you have a NH permit as well. It does say they will only issue non-resident permits to people that already have a permit from another state.

Didn't say it was sound or un-sound. Just pointing out a possible reason why someone may ask a manager about their intentions. I think one difference between this and other places with no or improper signs, is this has been all over the news. I dare say 85%+ of the restaurants in TN know about this law and have thought about what they are going to do. But I admit, there is nothing wrong with waiting and seeing what they do come July 14

The OP may have just been going by what our Admin suggested in another thread..

Very good points.... .....and I'm usually a pessimist. Just trying positive thinking for a change...lol

I simply meant that it would be less than the 11 months and 29 days a general sessions court could sentence you to for a conviction of misdemeanor. I also never meant to imply that it was no big deal to possibly serve 30 days in jail. And I don't think I ever advocated breaking the law. Also the title of the post was For What It's Worth.......guess it really wasn't worth much.......so never mind.

Assuming the ordnance is enforceable I believe under state law the most they could sentence you to is 30 days in Jail and a $500 fine for a violation of a city ordnance.(6-54-606) Also I think it would only be a violation of a city ordnance and not a state law and shouldn't affect your HCP any. It might be worth contacting the city and asking them about it, however it could also be waking a sleeping dog instead of letting him lie...

Me too...

I can understand your skepticism Hex...I mean Glockmeister... but surely after all of the news reports of it being illegal and being pulled Tygard and the whole council would have to know how big of fools they would look to go ahead with it. But I grant you, looking like fools didn't stop them from trying in the first place.

Checking the link in your OP shows it was rescheduled for tomorrow.

I work with a guy that has a felony conviction from over 30 years ago....it still comes up causes him problems from time to time.

To be honest I think it does mean you can consume as long as the gun is not "in your hand", but IANAL and my legal advice is worth what has been paid for it...zilch. My point is, if I lived in FL and felt confident in my opinion I might be willing to try and prove it in court. But being a non-resident...not sure I would want to try it that way.

You have to be a resident of the state that your permit is from for FL to recognize it. (Except that they will honor their own non-resident permit) In other words if you lived in IL and had a permit from AZ it would not be valid in FL. But if you lived in AZ and had a AZ permit it would be valid.

LOL...I was changing my opinion as you were typing. But for the record TN says "under the influence" as well, but from what I've heard many LEOs take that to mean "any" influence..at least in TN.

From Title XLVI; Chapter 790 of FL statutes It almost seems as long as it is not "in your hand" it it not considered "readily accessible for immediate discharge" and you would be legal. ...and if you did have to use it in self-defense you would be covered under section 5. But seems a little shaky to me, not sure I would want to risk it being out of state.

Can't add anything to what has been said.....just wanted to be included in the thread.

I thought the National Parks bill only covered parks and WMA's and not National Forest? I would be happy to be wrong....

State park carry won't affect LBL, not a state park. I don't believe National Park Carry will affect LBL, not a Federal Park. As someone else said, LBL is under the control of the US Forestry Service. See their website According to their General Rule 12: Possession, transportation or discharge of firearms, air guns, crossbows, bows and arrows or other weapons and explosives, including fireworks, is prohibited except authorized hunting equipment during set hunt dates.

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HB0716 (park carry bill) also admends 39-17-1314 (preemption law) to allow local goverment to ban carry of firearms in parks, but that is the only state control it gives up. See Section 3 of Seneate Amendment 2 (the amendment that makes the bill) So there is really nothing to be trumped they are changing the preemption law to specifically allow local goverment control over carry in their parks. But I won't tell Metro if you don't....lol

Well as I said it has been on the books since 1937, last amended in 1974. I think if it was a big problem we would have heard something about it in the last few decades...

State preemption only applies to firearms and ammo. So I guess a city could encact an ordnance to prohibit even pocket knives if they chose to and the citizens stood for it. AFAIK you are correct about "intent to go armed"

The state's preemption law, 39-17-1314 says that any local ordnance or resolution enacted before April 8, 1986 is not affected. It looks like the ordnance you posted was passed in 1975. However as bkelm18 pointed out, the "intent to go armed" shouldn't apply if you have HCP.

Parsons is just about as close to Mousetail as Lexington is to Natchez Trace.

LOL....sorry about that. Guess the legislative season has got me behind and distracted...