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Have a question I have a 320 X 5 Legion does it have the same issues internals as the regular 320 thanks

WGP was not at the “break point.”

Good, at least in this part, you're getting my point. We don't point guns at our head, because we expect the unexpected might happen. We also don't depress triggers to the break point, then induce multiple mechanical stresses, and blame the gun when it discharges. Two basic tenets of firearms safety, yes? Regarding the second half of your response, I am not confident that I could trust a pre-loaded, at-the-trigger-break handgun of any type not to go off under rattle/shear/shock/torque and other stresses. I have experience with the design and function of many hundreds of different handguns, and unlike you, I wouldn't trust a single one of them to be "safe" in that condition.

That’s interesting - the “break point” on a 320 is 4-5mm after the slack is removed, but touch the slide and it’s suddenly <1mm. Where exactly is the “break point” and shouldn’t it be consistent?

No, I don’t point guns at my head, but I am confident that my guns would not do what WGP’s 320 did. But I don’t own any 320s.

And to me, a professional gunsmith and firearms engineer who has contributed to or conducted the design and manufacture of several firearms (and repaired countless more through manufacturing new parts to unpublished specs), I draw the exact opposite conclusion. Discharge through intentional (screw) movement of the trigger to (or past) the break point, which is exactly the point at which all mechanical safeties have been disengaged, is exactly the design intent and function of a trigger. That's what triggers do. Every single one of these videos that I've reviewed (and I review every one I come across, as asinine as they are, because I want someone to prove it) ends up playing out exactly like this, to my professional eyes and ears: "Look, by intentionally defeating the safeties through trigger travel exactly as the design is intended, then while at the break point using mechanical stresses and shocks to wiggle over the edge of the break, I can get the depressed trigger to do exactly what it is designed to do! FREAKING UNBELIEVABLE, I'M AN INTERNET STAR!" I do like a good P320 bashing meme, though.

Would you be willing to back up your statement by replicating the video you're basing it on with your own gun? Please drive a screw into the frame gap in front of the trigger on your gun of choice, drive the screw into the trigger to press it backwards to the break point, point the gun at your brain, and then rattle/knock/pull/press the crap out of that gun, to prove your point. Please don't. That's not how "safe" shooters work.

I agree that wedging a screw against the trigger is a head scratcher at first, but when it is used to demonstrate that a gun prematurely goes off less than 1mm into its normal 4-5mm of trigger movement after the slack is taken up (like in the WGP video), that is irrefutable evidence that the gun is problematic.

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Magazines are expensive, any come with the rifle or available to buy?

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I have not seen evidence confirming this on the current design in any testing, and I've been looking - very actively. This was absolutely true of the original commercial design with the "adverse trigger." There have been multiple reports, now, claiming to damningly confirm "it goes off on its own!" I carefully review every one I find with an open mind. In every case, they seem to be conducted and consumed by people lacking critical thinking skills - including the flawed initial FBI report (the FBI admitted to flawed testing and released a subsequent report). Every single test resulting in "repeatable" uncommanded discharges involved sticking something in front of the trigger, to move the trigger rearward, prior do doing some manipulation or other to the weapon to induce a discharge. Please, fellow gunners and instructors, who will be the first to raise their hand and die on the hill of, "Yes, I tell my shooters that if they press the trigger to the rear and the gun goes off, well, that's the gun's fault."

Yes, the bag comes with it.

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Factually incorrect: DHS/ICE just extended the P320 contract for another two years. Also, the report linked above does not tell the whole story, here. Any inclusion of this report should also mention that the testing informing this report was done with three critical problems in its methodology: 1) using a screw to pre-load the trigger, pressing it to the rear 2) cutting a window in the backplate of the FCM, destabilizing the sear springs and allowing them to become unseated under recoil. 3) using a punch to press the sear down, defeating not only the primary sear but also the secondary sear, while simultaneously pulling the trigger bar (thus, trigger) past the break point, essentially resulting in a commanded discharge through a trigger press (via the sear). The FBI admits to these shortcomings, and immediately re-tested correcting these flawed conditions. The subsequent report, just released, resulted in ZERO uncommanded discharges. Last point: Even the case in point is in question. The holstered pistol in this report arrived with a specific recent scratch inside the trigger guard. The officer was holding keys in his right hand at the time of the AD. The FBI lab used a key to reach into his holster and successfully pulled the trigger, discharging the firearm. Afterwards, they found a new scratch matching the preexisting scratch, in the same location within the trigger guard. While not a definitive conclusion, it certainly takes away from the notion that this report proved P320's go off on their own. Postscript point: Sig's corporate response to their initial trigger flaws, denial and obfuscation to the initial (and ongoing) real ADs resulting from their "adverse trigger," failure to issue a recall in favor of a "voluntary upgrade," ongoing marketing and customer service arrogance, and general asshattery are legend. I think these factors give anyone inclined an absolutely legitimate reason to swear off their products just on principle. However, I think it is misguided to confuse a choice based on principle with the idea that there is damning proof that the current design is flawed. By the numbers, many more people have been shot with their own Glock that "went off by itself" - but didn't.

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Well, at that ain't staged, I don't know what is. She's standing there with her bedroom shoes on and he's got the gun almost in her face.