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all it takes is getting arrested and having the money to go through the courts.....

Nice look. I’m big fan of the M&P platform. I put the flat forward set trigger in my 2.0. Sort of pricey, but when done I was like “ wow, now that was worth the money”. With a Holosun 407 it has replaced my 5” 1.0 and SRO as my primary game gun.

a chronograph helps remove a lot of guess work. Personally I'm a big fan of BE-86

Don’t get the nickel confused with galvanized steel cases by wolf.

Won’t hurt a thing with lead shot. Steel shot would be different.

better result to put a felt spacer in the bottom of the shot cup. This this is a straight wall shell, are you sure you are using the correct wad? Also, only use a minimal amount of wad pressure, just enough to firmly seat against the powder.

And I think both Taurus and mossberg have introduced competitive priced pistols which may adversely affect their $$$.

E4, I agree with you. It's a shame people don't take that right/responsiblility as seriously as they should I guess is the concern.

Your words or summation, not mine. Training makes one more proficient, lessens the chances for accidents, and in all likelihood decreases the chance of being involved in a gunfight.

So E4, because I am a trainer my opinion has no merit. I don’t train gun owners to make a living. It is an enjoyable hobby because I discovered one doesn’t know what he doesn’t know. I was one of those people. I want to share my experience with others. Ignorance is one of the leading causes of firearm accidents. People need experience and training from somewhere, they’re not born with it and now most are not raised in that environment. I have seen many students that need significantly more training and experience to safely exercise their right. It is not unusual to have a student arrive in class with a brad new gun still in the box. Or a student who has never fired a gun before. Where do you want me to send that student? What is your advice to that person? Can I tell them just carry that gun and do as you see on TV, just point and pull the trigger, it’s your right? So I have invested my time and money to be reasonably competent as a firearm owner and instructor. I didn’t make the laws for a permit and even if TN was constitutional carry, there would still be people in need of training.

but it was accidently on purpose...

Good point. So those are trained, experienced gun owners, some which garner headlines. No telling how many instances have occurred with the general public that one will never hear about. I don’t want myself , family or friends to be the recipient.

http://knoxvillenews.tn.app.newsmemory.com/?publink=103e8dae1

quite a bit of difference IMO. Bloomberg wants to eliminate guns of all types. I simply want people to be responsible in carrying a firearm in public. Jumping through hoops for various reasons for centuries.....including buying firearms and the Constitution is still intact then and now.

you didn't see crowds at the shopping malls though did ya?.....no subdivisions either. There is a difference whether you want to admit the practicallity of it or not.

timber rattler and plenty in middle TN.

There is a huge difference in the right to own firearms and carrying a firearm in the midst of the general public. Being able to talk does not make one a public speaker. Same difference in my book.

I help a lot of new shooters. Basic safety, handling, shooting skill, etc. Sometimes people simply need time and experience to be minimally functionable. Sooo, I sent one new shooter to a 'school' for a basic handgun course. They come away with a CCP. Folks, if there was ever a person who was no where close to ready to be turned loose to carry, it was this person. Just another reason this CCP was and is a terrible idea. I teach the ECP class and certainly there are people who pass this course as well that should not carry a gun just based on the success of this course. Oh well, I feel better......

and that's why we have lawyers arguing both sides. In the worse case scenerio, do what you have to do to get away. You won't go to jail if you're dead. The point is one should not shoot others just for damaging your car. Once there is a reasonable fear of death or serious injury then it may be Self Defense. It will be your attorney's job to make that case.

and sometimes one has to do whatever it takes to survive. IF someone is trying to turn your car over, or breeches the passenger compartment it is reasonably assumed that your life is in danger and come what may, I'm driving off and if someone is injured then that is really on their accomplices. If it turns out bad, well that's life but staying there is not an option.

There needs to be a law that makes for penalties to impede traffic with protests. Also in this case, retribution for damages and court costs if acquitted.

Andrew Branca has addressed this several times recently. One, I would never(well never say never) consider my vehicle as my weapon. It would be my method of avoidance and/or escape. One must avoid the possiblility of disabling the vehicle which would include turning it over. Don't worry about traffic laws. Having someone stand or beat on your car is NOT justification to use deadly force. If you compartment is violated, doors yanked open, window broken out, etc., then deadly force would/should be an option. Try moving slowly through a crowd to minimize getting into that situation. Blowing you horn may aggravate the crowd, so use your own judgement. If you can articulate your concern for your safety and your escape then hopefully that will justify any possible legal jepordy, but your legal risk is never '0'. Avoidance is always the best policy.

A hellcat is a nice option. Will probably replace my shield eventually. Also with the mini optics becoming available, they are nice. I've shot one and really like it. Additionally, I try to always carry pepper spray. Much more likely to need less-than-lethal force. Not every problem needs a hammer, and neither do you want to go hands on if it can be avoided; many bad things can happen at that point. Even in a closed space, much preferable to bullets.

excellent

so are you supporting any of the pro gun groups?