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Pretty self-explanatory as well as intimidating. A concealed and properly holstered gun is a better choice, or not being there at all. What would 'reasonable' people think? I know we essentially all agree here, but certainly a good refresher for the position.

Machunk...DaveTN is spot on, a most excellent post.

I am a follower of Andrew Branca. I have taken his live course when in Nashville, as well as some other courses he has offered. I also discuss several firearm topics with local attorneys. Have been consulted as an expert for same. I am not an attorney, but as you know, they get paid to argue white is black and vice versa. As far as aggravated assault goes, I teach as I have been taught; any movement involving a firearm that changes a person's behavior can be considered Ag. Assault. With open carry legal, IMO, that means placing your hand on your gun, throwing back a cover garment to reveal you have a firearm, drawing one's weapon, not just pointing your gun at someone. It will also depend on the circumstances, who called the law, who didn't. Believability, responding officers judgement, your word against several others.......it can be a crap shoot. Avoidance is always the best policy as felony charges are serious, especially expensive and can change your residence by 10 -20 years.

If you always open carry, then it is just a matter of time until something bites you. As mentioned, $200, you got out cheap. You are not doing anything that helps 'the cause' by OC; in fact it hurts. When you placed your hand on the gun, I think it could be argued that you committed Ag. Assault.....a felony. This could cost you $20,000 up front, before you ever go to trial. IF you carry a gun, best to avoid any confrontation.

I’m just going to lean back and watch Murphy and natural selection work this out....

Agh assault can be charged anytime one modifies another’s behavior by displaying a weapon. Doing so when it is not a response to reciprocal risk of deadly force is likely to get one charged for agg. assault.

It would not surprise me to find Agg. Ass. increase, but the circumstances involving the charge would be pertinent. For example, pulling your weapon on someone breaking into your car without any other circumstances known could be AA. Same for pulling your gun on a shoplifter. Those type of charges could be expected by those that are carrying but ignorant of the law.

Don't forget Knoxville in that list. Two Liberal mayors in a row; just like any other big city going down the tube.

Nothing expands well out of snubs according to Greg Ellifritz. Also +P only adds recoil making follow up shots more difficult. He also carries 38 hbwc in a snub 357 for same reason.

Did you read the TCA above? Out of sight, doors locked. Anything else in addition is a cherry on top. I do prefer a small lock box with attached cable for an extra measure of security. Nothing is fool proof, but helps keep honest people honest.

TCA39-17-1313 a2 is relative on storage. This applies to schools as well,

As per powerpoint for the ECP, the gun must be secured, out of sight. It can be in the glove box, console, separate locking device, or simply in a locked vehicle. Laying on the seat covered by the newspaper would be in compliance.

Really? Stealing is wrong, I get that. But you park at a school for a football game and leave your gun obviously visible on the front passenger seat. Some student sees it, breaks the window, and shoots the guy he had a beef with earlier in the day at school. You really think you will get a pass on that? The kid and his buddies will sing to everyone that the gun was lying there in plain sight for the taking and your defense will be ‘well stealing is illegal and so is shooting someone’. I don’t think that will turn out well for you, legally or civilly.

My new gun safe:

Looks like the water is muddied by legal responsibility vs civil, and those repercussions. In today's political anti-gun climate I think the argument can be made and pressed with either or both. Worse case: window open and in plain view, IMO, just like leaving your gun in the men's room. Anything one can do to distance oneself from this worst case example the more responsible one appears. Then one crosses the "line" Dave mentioned. However, I think that line is very fluid, politically speaking.

Yes, it is my carelessness because I know there are people around that have no respect for property or my life for that matter. BUT NO WHERE did I say stealing someone's property should the victim be culpable. But then again, nor should one make it easy to be victimized. I have an utility trailer beside my driveway....been there 20 + years. It is properly locked. Ask 3 or 4 neighbors why they don't have their trailers now. Their fault, well sort of. Should the thief be punished? Absolutely, but never caught, damage done, someone shot, etc. etc.

Never left the window down, but gone are the days of a gun rack in the back window of a pick-up.

you have to treat it like money. How would you leave money? Leave it visible, laying on the dash or seat with the window rolled down, or even visible with the car locked? A little common sense, but we all know how rare that is.

dang, learned something else. But, I would assume the crimp is still important if one is looking at full factory self defense loads which can cause the movement I referred to.

A concern with 'auto' rounds in revolvers is the possibility of round setback or the bullet simply migrating/loosening in the cartridge Revolver rounds have a much different bullet crimp to prevent such.

Frog lube, the new mayo

. Irreconcilable differences- grounds for divorce....

But that is when it counts the most. That is why one should train and have these discussions.

I agree high thoracic is choice. For most civilian use, hopefully the situation permits. LEO is more likely to have retention length encounters due to restraint issues, more closeup and personal situations. As Ronald 55 said, as a civilian closeup work hopefully can be mitigated earlier.

AJ, are you referring to shooting from retention at the ‘3’position of the draw? If so, somewhat instinctive, but certainly an easy practice drill. Good dry practice initially keeping good support hand awareness. Muzzle position may be directed down for several reasons, crowds, need for pelvic hits, position of off hand.