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2"-3" groups at 15yd isn't bad... Doubling the distance will still result in consistent hits inside the 8-ring, assuming the same hold, sight-picture, and trigger control. In all seriousness... if you're practicing for self-defense, getting 2"-3" groups is an indication that you should try shooting more rapidly. But, if you're shooting for precision, take your time and relax. When I'm really practicing, I'm pretty satisfied with 6"-8" COM 'groups' at 15yd... starting from a low-ready or holstered, transitioning to rapid-fire or double-taps. When the groups get smaller, I try speeding up. Anybody can learn to shoot the center out of the bulls-eye in time... But that skill is less important when faced with real-world rapidly-incoming threats. The object, in the HCP class, is to keep your shots inside the 7-ring at varying ranges... From what you describe, I doubt you'll have any trouble shooting an above-average score. Just concentrate on: - Sight alignment - Aiming for the smallest portion of the 'target' you can focus on simultaneously with the front sight - Even, smooth, trigger pressure... straight rearward. Most of your shooting will be at ranges closer than 15yd... even during the HCP class. Best of luck!

God Bless America.

That sucker was still moving, at least a few hundred fps... I hate to think what would have happened if the ricocheted round made solid contact with dude's face. Most .50 projectiles weigh double that of a 12ga slug. That kind of thing that fills church pews and underpants...

Just a barrel and spring change away from being a 10mm!

One of those moments to be thankful for a strong bolt that locks up securely... I'm sure they'll pay more attention next time!

Honestly... I would refuse to handle my weapon during a stop. The last thing I need is to be commanded to hand it over, and then shot because I was 'reaching for my gun'. They can retrieve it for themselves, if they must. Besides, I'd rather be out of the vehicle, and more clearly viewed by the dash-cam at that point. I'll want that footage later.

"Officer, have I done something with my firearm which threatens your safety? If not, I strongly object to being treated this way. Why am I being detained?" I'll probably still end up being disarmed, but he won't have had any cause to do so... Cut and dried.

Well, him making up a reason to sieze my firearm isn't, of itself, a direct threat to my life... so there would be no justifiable forceful recourse anyways. That's an administrative/civil issue, especially after he has been made very aware that I object to it. However, if the LEO strips me of my means of self-defense, even for a valid reason, I will hold him ultimately responsible for my safety.

There's no problem with that at all. Cops should be able to do their job effectively, and remove hazards from a crime-scene. I just wanted to make it clear that this provision doesn't give law-enforcement free reign to confiscate a lawfully carried firearm for no reason at all.

Yes, while this is certainly true, simple contact with an officer on the street does not constitute an 'official duty'... There has to be some suspicion of wrong-doing which prompts detainment. Otherwise LEOs could just stop and 'check the papers' of anyone they choose, without any cause. Simply possessing a firearm and/or permit is not probable-cause. And even in circumstances where the citizen is involved in a situation, there are qualifiers for disarmament which must be articulable.

Sweet man! I dig the PEZ dispenser, too Let us know how you like it.

Our travels will be limited to the western and central portions of the state... camping and visiting family... won't make it to NYC, but I'm sure we'll eat well just the same! I would never break sovereign NY law by bringing firearms in from Free America!

If there was a rash of targeted crimes against OCers, I might be inclined to agree... but as it stands, it's simply a choice which some would be uncomfortable exercising themselves because of the exaggerated hype it has received as causing undue hassle. In reality, it's surprising how little negative attention it generates, especially in this state... and it almost always results in a peaceful resolution, and a more educated complainant.

If you'll quit knee-jerking for a minute, you'd realize that it's a valid question... I'm not looking for an excuse to shoot at anybody, especially a police officer! But it does not change the fact that mis-guided authority does not trump any person's right to defend their life or well-being from harm. I don't need to justify that, I have presented what I believe along with TN code which supports it, and case-law which reinforces it. I'm trying to get past the ideology which some have towards law-enforcement, in the assumption that they are always right, with unquestionable authority. I am merely challenging us to think for ourselves, since we are ultimately the only people responsible for our own protection, and should not allow that to be trampled on in the name of authority, in an age where individual liberty is being slowly traded away for false security.

I would, but I'll be on my way to NY that day...

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What about 'assault with a deadly-weapon', then? Where I am going with this, is, if a police officer (for example), was threatening someone with his weapon unlawfully, would that not be investigated as 'assault with a deadly-weapon'? I realize that the determination of whether or not the act was unlawful would be ambiguous to the victim. But, should the victim have to wait until they are dead to find out the officer's intentions?

So, would you say that I would be within my rights to resist a police officer trying to sexually assault me?

Okay folks... heated debate is encouraged. It'd be awfully boring if we all agreed about everything (ya'll know I do my part ). Let's try to be civil... Hating and bashing other businesses and one-another isn't necessary, we've all had our moments, but its time to let this one go. Product reviews and ratings for establishments can be inputted here: http://www.tngunowners.com/reviews/showcat.php?cat=15 Not everything is always convenient, and I agree that FGS has lost some of its 'personal touch' over the last few years... probably the victim of their own success. Everyone please direct your frustrations in a civil manner, or this thread will be closed.

They are going to talk to me until they decide that I'm not going to kiss their shoes, and then they tackle me. I think you're getting the point now, that, I will not be the one who initiates and escalates forceful contact. It's pretty clear that I won't have committed a crime by not willingly handing over my gun... nothing which warrants said potential application of force. If the police tackled and disarmed an HCP holder who had done nothing illegal, who do you think would end up being vindicated? Can the police pull over and rough-up anyone they see driving, just to go on a fishing expedition for anything which might be illegal, without some articulable reason? Driving is a 'privilege' too .

So... even if a police officer commands me to give him a BJ, I am not justified in resisting that demand, even though it is un-lawful? I suppose I just have to sort it out afterwards, after the damage is done? That's kind of how it reads, to me... That is, if you don't read the portion I have highlighted. There's my point... the code states specifically that it is only an offence if the defendant is: Passive non-compliance is not what this section is talking about. It is talking about forcible resistance. And I am saying, just as the code perscribes, that forcible resistance is only justified when the officer uses unnecessary force themself.

I have only EVER said that pulling a gun on ANYBODY was a good idea if one's life or liberty were threatened by that person's use of excessive/deadly force. I have NEVER advocated using deadly force to resist arrest, and would never do so myself. If a police officer draws his gun on me, it's his heinie on the line if he's wrong. And while I have no intention of forcibly resisting lawful commands, I will not simply curl up into the fetal position if THEY cross the line. Simply standing still with my arms crossed demanding them to articulate why they are detaining me, or not allowing me be on my way... If they have a reason to arrest me, then so be it. But, if they have no articulable suspicion or belief that I have committed a crime, required in order to arrest or detain me, then they have no cause to even place their hands on me without the fear of at least civil liability.

Every reasonable FFL whom I have dealt with in the last 5 years has been right in the $20-$25 ball-park, plus the $10 phone-call... They always recieved plenty of regular business from me, as well.

My lovely, talented, thoughtful, adorable wife gave me this nice Marlin 1894CB today for my birthday... I just wanted to share! Joe, Dan, Hero-Gear guys... many thanks for your assistance to Misty in aquiring this fine specimen . One more in the cabinet... one less to want!

While your generalization may be quite true of some HCP holders who think that the basic course required to gain the permit is sufficient, Frank is one of several folks on here who do not deserve that label. He can speak for himself, and already has... but take care who you judge based on internet contact. He has certainly nothing to prove to any of us. This is where folks come together to (hopefully in a mature manner) discuss the issues, and sometimes debate the extreme portions of controversial subjects... we won't always agree, but hopefully maintain some objectivity about the fact that real-life is somewhere in between the extreme points of view presented. I respect your opinion, even when we disagree ('cause we sure have), but we are both entitled to our beliefs. Such as open-carry... unquestionably legal, though we debate whether it is the 'best' choice... ultimately, it is my choice... and your choice. On the firearm 'privilege' topic... Can you point me to the document-of-record, perhaps TN code or AG opinion which defines the RKBA as a 'privilege'? I have looked for it, but never found it... perhaps I didn't look in the right places? The only place I have seen the term used (informally, at that) was the TN HCP video given in several HCP classes... and based on the extensive incorrect information elsewhere in that video, I don't give it much credence. As my final statement on the bar issue... I personally don't go to bars, for the same reasons you gave. My position is simply that the location of oneself, and the relative location of one's firearm should have no bearing on the right of a person to be in a public place, (or open-to-the-public), absent any other behavior which was irresponsible/illegal. Drinking and firearms do not mix... I agree. Neither to driving and alcohol... but last time I checked, every bar has a parking-lot.