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Every Glock has this. It has been determined it is caused by heat so if your Glock didn't have it, it will after a little shooting. It will not impede function. If you want a real gun get a S&W M&P where the dust cover is actually made out of something and stays straight. American made!

Shitty spring - several people have explained that already.

Picked up another 870 because they are addicting. Remington 870 Tactical, 6+1, 18.5" barrel. It's actually marked "Remington 870 Tactical" on the receiver - never seen that before and had to have it. I THINK I've decided to keep the express because I like the barrel/magazine configuration & compatibility and swapped out the stocks. I'm REALLY liking the magpul furniture. I haven't decided 100% yet. Any suggestions?

In the police academy we had an additional firearms class that covered off duty conceal carry. We were taught to cut the draw strings off of all of our jackets. Apparently it's a common occurrence. This police chief obviously did not receive this training or information.   I would imagine that most law enforcement agencies only focus on OWB & on-duty carry training. I also believe it is commonly taught to keep your eyes on an assailant and never look down to re-holster.   Unlike yall, I will be honest and say that it is something I never would have given a thought to if I hadn't been told.   1. Lots of new police officers have little to no firearms training/experience and were only taught and trained on an OWB platform whereas most of us started carrying IWB as soon as we got our carry permits. It would make sense for most of us to have thought it through a little more than some Joe blow issued equipment for his new job. My first experience and training with a firearm was when I was 20.5 years old in the police academy in a state where carry permits are NOT issued. 2. I bet you didn't wear your new favorite jacket during your police firearms training in June & July, lol.

Ain't nothin wrong with that!

  That's good to know but what do you mean the steel is better quality?

How do you like the Pardner and Hawk? I had heard that one of them were semi compatible with an 870. Can you attest to this?

2 x Surefire G2X Tactical (320L @ 2.5hrs, CR123a) Fenix E01 (12L @ 21hrs, AAA) Fenix LD22 (215L @ 2hrs, 2 x AA) Fenix TK35 (860L @ 1.5hrs, 4 x CR123a) Streamlight Stinger LED (28L @ 2hrs) Streamlight Microstream (350L @ 2hrs, Rechargeable)   My end of the world reliability flashlight would definitely be a Surefire and in that manner they are definitely worth their exorbitant prices. I have two G2X Tacticals - one with a switch mounted on my AR and one in my car. The thing that really gets to me with these Surefires is that while they're built extremely tough (and I have beaten the shittake out of them) they will cost you a whole hell of a lot of money buying CR123a's on top of their initial cost. For an avid flashlight enthusiast as myself, this is not reasonable or affordable.   I then went to an extreme opposite end and bought some Fenix flashlights. While they aren't anything to sneeze at I would not depend my life on it. Upon examining the build quality I would not be comfortable dropping any Fenix onto a hard surface from more than 5 feet. Most of them are more or less waterproof/resistant. To me, this is good for additional lights for hiking, camping, walking the dog at night, etc.   I then found myself a happy medium that I am completely content with. The Streamlight LED Stinger is a rechargeable light that puts out 350L with a 2 hour battery life. This light is extremely popular around law enforcement and mechanics alike. They are extremely tough (the worst ones I've seen were at mechanic shops) and cost you nothing in batteries. At that, they have an excellent battery life! Now I wouldn't be comfortable running the light over with a truck (I wouldn't mind doing this with a surefire on soil) but I am more than comfortable with throwing a Streamlight across a room and slamming it into concrete. There's a chance that the lens might crack but it will continue working and stay intact. This is more than enough to serve my purposes.   That's my 2 cents.

Very innovative but I don't like the idea of unholstering and reholstering in public. Besides simple principle, I more-so avoid places that are posted because of this. I can see the appeal of having it readily available if it's needed from the driver seat but to be honest I would rather lock my doors in a rough neighborhood and gun the pedal if I run into that kind of trouble. With practice, its also possible to deploy a CCW relatively quick from IWB albeit slow.   Interesting thing I learned in a Prevention and Control of Crime class - one of the most vulnerable situations people subject themselves to daily is getting in and out of their vehicles. It's a really high statistic and understandably so, yet one of the most overlooked occurrences. In these cases sheeple are often caught looking down, fumbling for their keys, bending over getting into low vehicles, arranging and putting up items, setting up music and often in a packed parking lot that provides lots of cover for a criminal in wait. You can pay attention and scan the area all you want as you walk up to your car but for a split moment you are at a disadvantage getting in especially if you aren't paying particular attention. Like I said before, unholstering and reholstering is a distraction that I wouldn't want to mess with in public view.   If you have a nice, tall, and roomy vehicle where you can easily conduct the transfer by all means go for it. Regardless, I would rather have my gun on me. I would imagine a criminal would much more expect a person to lunge for a gun in their vehicle than expect it to be on your waistband where you can protect it and deploy it if needed. +1 for Leatherneck Tactical Concealment in Murfreesboro. Just placed an order yesterday - can't wait to get it! He seemed like a really nice fellow who is trying to start his small business up as his main income. He volunteered the info of a less than two week turn around.

      That is what I was referring to. Simple miscommunication I presume.   Now, from what I understand, slugs will almost always pass through a human and not transfer anywhere near as much energy as buckshot.     Buckshot is much more likely to stop in the body and cause a sudden dump of energy resulting in debilitating massive trauma. Besides instant organ destruction, the trauma will be the main contributor to stopping the threat and this is completely separate from the fact that the larger hole created will cause more bleeding.    And for those still considering birdshot...     After some research it turns out our marines at some point in time were using birdshot as door breaching rounds.  :rofl:

You said that slugs will do the same as as buck shot in those short distances. Apparently you meant accuracy? You are correct. I was disputing the idea that slugs and buckshot did the "same thing."

I'm just playin man. We simply disagree and that's okay.

I'm not sure why you used your uncle as an example when you are such a wealth of information and experience. I never argued distance with you. I was giving you statistical data of hit percentages like you asked for. I am also arguing the point that an FMJ is a bigger liability than it is of any tactical advantage. Much similar to Buckshot vs slugs. Carry what you like.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/01/robert-farago/self-defense-tip-make-the-first-shot-count/ http://www.chuckhawks.com/self_defense_pistol.htm http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=129449 I am glad your uncle is okay.

Buddy I was right there with you until the second half of your second paragraph. Three hollow points? I never thought about it before but I could MAYBE understand the LAST few rounds of a magazine loaded with FMJ. Chances are your first three shots are going to miss and if your hollow points can't defeat whatever your shooting at (body armor?) then FMJ's are REALLY not going to help you anyway. Yes, if I'm going to have slugs they will be in that side saddle in the odd chance I might need them. Sir, buckshot makes a significantly larger hole in those short distances = more trauma and more bleeding. All a slug is going to give you is penetration. If you need a slug in your home to defeat barriers you got to ask yourself why you have a half inch steel table that he's hiding behind or why you would risk putting your ear to the floor and start guess-shooting through walls, lol. I don't care if the intruder is wearing military style ceramic plate armor or holding a bullet proof riot shield - I would still prefer buckshot. I am ALL about having some slugs but not in the tube. Think it through.

If I am not mistaken David, the owner of TGO, will not take kindly to violating his vendor rules. He takes it extremely seriously (understandably). I would look into them very carefully and take an appropriate course of action.   http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=extras&section=boardrules

Slide lock/release is for sissies.

Admin/Mods - could we make this an Official Tactical/Defensive Shotgun Picture Thread? Pin/Sticky? Show them off here! Almost everyone has a shotgun and who doesn't like pictures?! P.S. Don't forget to vote in the poll! Keep it first - respectful and second - civil! Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'll start with my plain and simple HD Shotgun. I have to say I was a big Mossberg fan for a long time because of the location of controls is much easier to get to. I picked up my first 870 a year ago and I have to say I like the extra heft in a shotgun and the feel of the action is more confidence inspiring to me. Weak and illogical reasoning, I know - I just like what I like! Thinking about adding a six shell side saddle and Magpul stock/forearm. I really love the way the wood looks but I picked a shotgun at a local LGS with Magpul furniture and I was blown away with how nicely it shouldered. Remington 870 Express Magnum 20" Smooth Cylinder Bore w/Rifle Sights Choate +3 Extension Kit (7+1 of 2 3/4") Ammo: Winchester 12GA 2 3/4" 9 pellet 00 Buck

Remington 870 12GA, 7+1 of 2 3/4" 00 Buckshot. There is NO use for slugs inside of my home. If I go outside for some strange reason I'm sure I would use slugs. I'm not sure what ~~~defensive~~~ deadly force situation would lead me outside with my shotgun but I would much rather use an AR-15 for 20yds +. A shotgun is a much better defensive hunker-down-in-the-house weapon. Slugs have great application but be realistic with your particular usage. Don't pretend you are rambo and think you are going to lead a 1-mile long vigilante-like chase. In 99.99% of home defense situations you shouldn't be pursuing a fight outdoors and it probably wouldn't be wise to utilize a shotgun with slugs to do so. With real and proper training, 00 reigns as the close quarters show-stopper. (Trauma, bleeding, and vitals destruction). End of story.

I hear you brother - I think we had similar experiences. Five calls in five hours is incredibly slow. I'm finishing my degree this fall. I'm really looking forward to see how it is here now. I remember stacking 10-15 cases before I pulled myself for writing. And that's just to do your own fair share of the work... Vontar, what department did you do a ride-a-long with?

*gasp* I need to sell mine right away! Lol. Speaking of pins I could have sworn I have seen at some point in time a guys pins worked their way out of his glock while he was shooting. Maybe he didn't assemble the pin right, I don't know. But maybe there is a reason S&W went with roll pins and I'm sure they could be replaced with solid pins if its such an issue. I'd rather keep the pins IN my gun while I'm shooting and use a roll pin punch to detail strip should I EVER feel the need to do so. Regardless I wouldn't "especially" base my buying decision on ease of pin removal, lol.

I would beg to differ Patton. Having own 5 or 6 M&P's I would have to say they're very consistent. If you have any gun with an inconsistent trigger it's probably broken. Now I would say that the trigger isn't all that great but it's very consistently not that great. Having owned the same number of Glocks I would have to say that personally they are not for me.   The thing that sticks out to me is the universal finger grooves that were designed for a 12 year old girl. I work with my hands and they simply don't fit. For me they are comfortable enough to hold but uncomfortable to shoot - hence the mistake of me buying that many Glocks. With their reputation of reliability I wouldn't be a very wise man if I didn't give them a fair shot.   Secondly, they have the ergonomics of a... well they don't have any. They are a solid workhorse of a gun that will always go bang - I respect that. But to be honest with whats available out there the Glock is just about the least ergonomic gun there is (without modification). If you REALLY look at a Glock you'll find that everything is square. However, they did round off all the edges because they didn't want to get accused of not trying.   Lastly, I understand the appeal of a service gun and I do appreciate the beauty of simplicity. I respect it. I own a lot of tools and I use them all - I look at guns the same way. However, the Glock is an ugly gun. I don't like it when people use "it's a service gun" as an excuse for Glock not putting any pride into it. The only pride they put into the Glock was 30 years ago and that was to make a reliable functioning polymer handgun that was cheap to sell. It sold because it was a novelty and it worked extremely well. (note no finger grooves at the time, lol)   I don't have a problem with plastic and I don't have any undue hate for the Glock. I don't hate them at all in fact I respect them greatly especially in their extensive application in law enforcement throughout the US. However when people say a Glock doesn't have a soul I think they are actually referring to #2 & 3 above. There's a lot more to this sport than just performance. I'm not saying performance isn't important but Glock kind of represents an era in the gun world of settling for whatever works. There was a time when automatics were not to be trusted but you don't have to settle for a Glock anymore. There are other polymer options out there.

  That's dumb as hell. That being said I think we should close the classifieds section of this forum and hold monthly public gun auctions in its place!  :hat:

So should one not expect to get any good deals there? I've never been to an auction and won't bother if it's not worth it...

I don't have $400 in gun I'm trading for it. I think it would be fun, I just hope I can get a good grip on it (I have fat fingers). It seems like 45 is all Walmart can ever keep in stock so I'm gonna go for it! Thanks for the educated second opinions!