Marswolf

Hey, where will you be? I haven't had any Triple-A practice in a long time.

Oh jeez (or Al or Mose or whatever). It never ceases to amaze me how people who have never been in harms way know exactly how those who do serve should conduct themselves. The NRA rules are fine for average people in average situations. I and the combat veteran men I have served with keep our finger on the trigger - just as we have been taught to do - and I will continue to do so in appropriate situations. Thank you very much for your advice but we prefer to give ourselves every break and stay alive if possible. BTW, Vietnam had significantly fewer friendly fire deaths by percentage than World War II, or Desert Storm. And I might suggest that being critical of Glocks, or any other gun related gadget is not bashing them if you give reasons for the criticism. This looks like a repeating theme for some people. We shouldn't be critical of anything but just let the fans of gun-x rant on with their love fest whether justified or not. OK, Lorcins are wonderful! They never go off unless you pull the trigger - right? Now don't bash them by pointing out other problems they might have.... Sounds like San Francisco in the 60s. Lets all just love each other and ignore reality.

Yeah, I'm talking about being swept by men in situations where you are likely to have to actually fire your firearms. I'm not trying to be dramatic, but we are talking about situations where it is probable you will fire, not just possible. As I said, getting swept is inevitable. I didn't say it is desirable. But with people trained to act under those situations, it is something you get used to - not comfortable with. But to work, you need men with proper training and the firearms can't have too light a trigger pull or a too short a trigger throw. For this application, M9s work fine, Glocks don't. Internet posting is an interesting thing. One person's posts that he thinks are terrific arguments for his position are viewed by others as trolling. The Glock debate seems to come down to a couple of armed camps. [Pun intended] Glock lovers think that those who don't agree with them are prejudiced. And Glock non-lovers (I won't agree that "Glock haters" is an accurate term) think that the Glock lovers are irrationally unable to admit the handgun's faults despite pages of explanation. It's a matter of perception. But to get back on topic, I agree with the general mood here. One of the things I like about a Glock is that it has no safety to get in the way if the adrenalin starts flowing. If I want a gun with a manual safety, there are plenty of other choices on the market.

Boy, that's the truth. I want a 357 Magnum AR to go with my 357 Magnum Glock....

And of course there is always: http://www.thunderwear.com/ Happiness is a warm gun.

I think you have to try different holsters and see what you are comfortable with. My side carry and IWB have no retention systems. Neither does my BUG, of course. But if I expected to chase a suspect, I'd want something to keep the handgun in the holster. But my Bianchi Military has a full cover flap and the shoulder holster has a thumb strap. My preference is for no retention features unless there is a good reason for them, but as I said you need what makes you feel comfortable.

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Safer handguns than Glocks in the hands of well trained men. Men as in: "O for a man who is a man, and, as my neighbor says, has a bone in his back which you cannot pass your hand through! Our statistics are at fault: the population has been returned too large. How many men are there to a square thousand miles in this country? Hardly one." - Thoreau "CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE"

Well, I guess some guns are just safer to run around with your finger on the trigger than other guns. Let's see, more Glocks are sold so more Glockings occur with them? Now think about it. I hear a lot about NDs with Glocks. Occasionally I hear of one with XDs, which are pretty much Glocks with a grip safety. 1911s occasionally have a ND. I haven't heard of any M&Ps having the problem, but since they are also awfully Glock-like, they probably have some NDs of similar nature. But in the aggregate, there are a lot more handguns out there of other brands than Glocks. Sorry, I just don't buy the idea that Glock sales dwarf all other guns on the market and that is why there are so many more NDs with them. You're going to have to come up with sales figures showing Glock sales at five or six times more than any other brand to prove your contention before I'll accept it. Clearly this is not the factor driving the number of Glock NDs. In my little area, we have seven Glock NDs I know of that actually caused wounding to the shooter. There is one 1911 ND I know of that was caused by drunkenness. I know of one XD ND from firing before field stripping (but unlike the others no injury). H&K, Kel-Tec, S&W, Ruger, Beretta...everything else? None, as far as I've heard. None! Glocks are fine LE duty weapons. But the fact is they are not as safe as other handguns, even the handguns that are very similar to them in design. Why is that so hard to accept or admit? People who carry Glocks are not fools. That's not what I am saying, by any means. They carry a highly reliable, accurate and repeatable handgun. I just dispute that it is the best choice for most people to carry. There are equally reliable, as accurate and repeatable - and safer - guns on the market. Many have lower prices. Different guns fit different niches. Glock's niche is as a reasonably priced LE duty weapon. It is very good in that role. But if the role is as a concealed carry handgun for the public, or if you use cheap factory ammunition or reloads, or if you aren't willing to keep safe handling of your handgun as a top mental priority (which very few packers do), then you should buy something else. I mentioned above that I have buddies who of necessity sweep me with their loaded and ready to fire firearms. But none of them are carrying Glocks or Glock-like weapons. I would indeed feel very uncomfortable with them sweeping me with a Glock.

The elf site is not working properly this morning. Maybe later.... We just put up the Christmas tree yesterday. Beauregard, our beagle, remembers it from last year and is already asking where the chocolate covered cherries are. Last year, he made a midnight raid over the doggie razor wire fence surrounding the tree and stole two boxed of them that he sneaked out the doggie door and devoured in the back yard.

I certainly agree. I was talking to Mark@Sea over at his place the other day about this. The old slow 45 round can do wonders in personal protection use. I think he likes 1911s too. I prefer something with DA/SA capabilities and so go with the plastic fantastic USP40 for urban use, but a 45 ACP will work too for up-close-and-personal. The KZ-45 was supposed to be a carry Wilson. 10+1 rounds in a slim, lightweight, Stainless Steel and Kevlar Re-Enforced Polymer. I actually like the looks of it. And it felt very good in the hand. I shot one several times. The jamming problems disappeared once you got it broken in. Wilson specified certain ammunition for it and told you not to even contact them until you got 500 rounds through it for break in. But it doesn't have the Wilson mystique and will probably never be very popular. If I wanted a 1911 for a carry gun, it is probably the one I'd choose.

I don't work with many cowboy ninjas. They are mostly Marines.

Oh my...I'd hate to run into him on a Baghdad street.

We have had several here in the Tri-Cities. Glock Butt and Glock Leg are a real phenomenon. But we have had at least one with a 1911 also. Alcohol was involved in the 1911 case.

So,,, do you like it? I like 1911s, although I'm not one of those people who think it is the only handgun worth having. But 1911s fall into two categories for me. One is a working gun for killing commies coming over the berm. The second purpose is as a wonderful toy. For the first category, most any decent 1911 will do. For the second, while I like Kimber and certainly am not putting them down, the fact is they are just not a Wilson Combat or other truly custom, hand tuned, 1911. It's sort of like dating two women. Both are fun to be with and give you pleasure. But one is very beautiful and the other is just exquisite. Very beautiful is plenty good enough - until you date the exquisite one. Then that is where you standard lies (and hopefully where it lays ).

This isn't exactly a Glock problem, although Glocks do seem to have a greater problem being carried safely than many other handguns. That's a major reason why I can't recommend them except as a LE duty weapon. As far as pointing your firearm at other people or objects that you don't intend to shoot, that happens all the time with me. My buddies sweep me with their rifles and I sometimes do the same with them. It is absolutely unavoidable in many situations. We control the potential friendly fire carnage with discipline and training.

I have to go with the dog in this one.

Oh dear me.... [sigh] Just a couple of brief points. First, I like the way a Glock is designed in terms of its having no meaningful manual safeties. That's the way a handgun should be carried IMHO - always ready to fire. My problem with it is in other design considerations that I've gone over ad infinitum. These considerations are why I no longer carry, or even own, a Glock. Second, this idea of keeping your finger off of the trigger is a bunch of crap in the world I deal in. Yes...I keep my finger off of the trigger on the firing range. But in the field, with a drawn handgun or an M16 or other rifle, you will find my firearm ready to fire and my finger on the trigger. If you are with me and tell me I'm doing it wrong, I will remind you that I've been doing this for a long-long while and am still alive because I know what to do - and that I am not some snotty nose idiot and do not care to hear the opinion of someone who is one. I will then explain to you that you need to go back to base camp, get a dose of reality, and then back to your mama.

Yup. Just about always starts with Glock cheerleading. You ever notice that?

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Phantom, it's not nice calling Boom a slimer.

I don't play softball, although I have been known to coach a women's softball team. But I do play baseball. Can we play in Kingsport?

A bit of a mixed metaphor?

If things go according to norm, you probably never will.

Kinda an apples and oranges choice. Do I want a milkshake or a Lamborghini? Both rifles are fun , and as mentioned, cheap. I bought my wife a 10/22 as a Christmas present several years ago. She loves it. I like it too. You should always have a .22 of some sort. You can shoot all day for a nickel (well...almost) and they are a lot of fun. SKS's are a different sort of choice. More a choice between SKS or AK (or maybe AR) in my perspective. Personally, I've never been fond of the SKS but I won't refuse to drink with someone who owns one. Actually, I'd probably rather shoot a Mosin - Nagant.