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Actually...when Chuck Norris drinks kool-aid the very thought of him crying makes a glock harden up.

I use a heavy crimp...using lee dies it is usually 1/2 - 3/4 turn. The very instant you work the die around to where the crimp is visible - it is heavy enough for the recoil generated in a SBH or SRH. I measure every load through a 1.6cc Lee dipper and they only vary 0.1 or 0.2 grains straight from the dipper...Have been doing it this way for a LONG time, so if you are new I would suggest weighing ever 5th one or so to see if you are overloading or compressing. These are the bullets I am using CLICK HERE So use at your own risk if you dare to venture somewhere outside of this load. It works very well for me, the bullet performs more than well enough for whitetail/pig, and is a blast to shoot. It does put out a fair amount of flash and fire, but nowhere like a similar load using H-110 or its Winchester equivalent. This load will get you under 3 MOA, but your nerves and the gun will have to be up to it also Note...I do NOT use magnum primers with 2400...standard only

1.6cc (21.6gr) of 2400 is my favorite .44 mag load for the 240gr Nosler sporting handgun bullets. This is ruger only...3" at 100 yards all day long from my OM SBH. Simply due to iron sights and rifle rest. .44 is an inherently accurate cartridge...shoots better than most would think.

av88tor - You justly give your customers a little more credit because once they take the effort to walk through your door they have done their homework, they generally are on the higher end of the market with respect to security needs, and they already know what they want and are gauging if you can provide that for them. As for the comment about the irreplacibility of sentiment...You sell safes. I sell insurance. This is something that we will never see eye to eye on. As far as "slamming everyone" and their gun collections "again"...this is not my opinion. This is material fact. The average person...materially up to the 95th percentile does not have more than 12 guns in their home. You state the YOUR customers have more to protect than that...they are NOT even close to the majority of the TN general public, and arguably not in the interest of many of the members here. No...if you think that you are totally missing the point. My argument is that a $400 safe that is secured properly and not broadcast out to world of its presence will thwart theft acceptably, keep children out of your firearms, and provide assurance to an insurance provider that additional benefit to cover a real loss is justified. Your argument, which is mentioned to every customer that asks. (I know...I have been there) is that a person is wasting their time with some cheap, crappy safe that is purchased at any number of other retailers. Simply not true for above stated reasons. Those two videos illustrate determined thieves who know exactly what they are doing in a perfect environment. As if any thief casually rummaging though your house can use the pull top from a can of vienna sausages to tear the door off and get your guns. Thieves are opportunists...even this is too much work for most.

It is actually just manganese parkerizing over the tenifer finish.

Yes..that is it. If some are measuring .355 and you are rolling across a .353 you will likely see the very problems you are having. Generally a little bigger won't matter much, but smaller sure might. Those winchester bullets should not be off by that much. Are all of them that small!?!? If so...how many you got? A factory cripm die may help a bit with neck tension enough to shoot, but not 100% on that. Someone in your area might have one you can borrow for that batch. If nobody has a FCD in Nashville (not very likely) hold on to those bullets and I can lend you mine till you load them up and test some more...then send down via mail to Chattanooga when done.

I have passed emails with Chris Dorsey in the past...despite the hubub going on in Red Bank...He is actually one of the good guys. The mayor and most of the other ones are typical small town folk who feel entitled from time to time to call the shots themselves in spite of reality. The traffic cameras sending money to the general fund really left a sour taste in my mouth towards Red Bank...now that they seem to have gotten the meth labs and randomly burning apartment buildings taken care of.

Yes...I would spend some time with the mic and see if they are running .355 Eliminate possibilities one at a time and you will find out exactly what is causing your problem. I too have never had this problem after many, many loaded rounds...it should really jump out at you after some real quantitative poking around. -ALSO- That newer brass you have just picked up giving you fits may be a longer OAL then the stuff you have been using...causing the crimp problems that people have mentioned before. ...either way this is dangerous as there is little case capacity in the 9mm cartridge. Pushing that bullet in creates significant pressure spikes that could hurt you. This is the same situation that causes KB in 40 s&w

I searched TGO and did not find any hits on this bill that is up for grabs today (6/16) This seems to be good for us... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CLICK HERE For more info.Might be good if auctions are a result or if the local PD is obligated to trade in these guns for credit at the local gun shop...good, cheap supply of ho-hum guns.

Woohoo...pig thumper thread Here is mine Marlin 1895 Guide Gun Leupold VXI 2-7 405 Gr. LFP ahead of 27gr. of 2400. Hits about as hard as a 12 gauge slug, but will do 3/4" at 100 yards

They make PERFECT truck/4x4 guns...

You have no idea how true that is...

Good grief...You folks carry more crap in your pockets than my wife does in her purse! /I'll play... - Keys - Cell Phone - Pocket knife - Smith 442

1...they didn't get everything that you own and only got $200 worth of your stuff. Thus proving that the time barrier that $400 purchased was partially effective. The $1500 difference could have been spent on a better safe, but $500 could have also been spent for a better security system. 2...that someone knew that you had guns and knows that you have more. Even with a top dollar safe that warded off a thief successfully there will be many, many sleepless nights where you think that they will be coming back for the rest. That is the problem with theft. Someone has violated your personal space. In most cases the items stolen does not hurt as much as the total loss of personal security. Again...Security is more than just the safe. The common thinking of every customer that walks into the Safe House is that "I can buy a really good safe and things will be OK/secure" The truth is that there is typically too much focus on the safe when total security is much more than that.

Are very few true instances where the following applies... "the best money can buy" = "the most expensive made" Most people don't see those as mutually exclusive and assume that more money = better for their application. So rather than thinking of the application of the product and the particular environment to which it will be subjected...they simply look at what the average product in the marketplace happens to be and assume that something with more features, higher cost, or shinier paint is "better." This is the case with cars, guns, food, vacations, houses, an just about anything else you come in contact with on a day to day basis. Someone will argue that BMW is the best money can buy...What they don't know is that when you really dig down to knitty gritty of it...they would be perfectly happy in other products as well. Some of which may actually provide better suitability to their needs at lower cost. Actually - this is the basis of gradient consumerism that we call market capitalism. In context to this thread we are talking gun safes. One can make the argument that the "best" for any application is a 1800lb, 1" thick gunsafe that is practically unbreakable. We are actually having the discussion that people are short changing themselves when purchasing a retail box gunsafe...as it is not the "Best" The truth is that the average schmuck has a couple of H&R break actions, a rifle, a pistol or two, and maybe an old .22 that grandpa killed pigs with at the slaughterhouse. I'll be willing to bet that this would even fit the profile of the average member here at TGO. Ask them what the "best" safe that they could use would be and they would tell you exactly what you are trying to sell...overkill for their application. ---------------------- Bringing it all back to my statement "the best is for those who simply do not know better" ---------------------- To drive the point home...these $400 or so safes are perfect for their particular application. It is the "best" that they can buy? Well if they don't know any better they will tell you no...it is a compromise and they just didn't have enough money for the "best". The flip side of the coin is some person who has $1200 worth of guns and actually did buy the most expensive item that you folks are selling...a great example of the saying that "a fool and his money are soon departed" Most people want the following from a gunsafe... - Place to put their guns in one place - To keep children out - To provide a time-barrier for thieves ...A $400 safe will meet those needs for the average TN gunowner. Proper insurance and an alarm system will take care of the rest. There are, to your point, people who do, in fact, need the extra security. If anyone has a MG or a lot of heirloom pieces the top dollar safes will fit their needs perfectly. But even then the "best" that they can buy will be a compromise of sorts simply because they are trying to reach an impossible goal of 100% total and absolute security. Not trying to be argumentative. Just trying to make the point that the folks reading this thread are not under secured with a run of the mill safe.

Yepp it goes ignored a lot...mobody pays it. Not even sure that the average IRS auditor would catch it.

Agreed...by very nature they are a compromise of sorts.

I suppose that the flip side is where Tennessee does not really inform us very well that every resident has been able to take a state sales tax deduction either. Wonder how many millions of dollars went unclaimed from this deduction over the past 4 years?

Ruger actually did make a "compact" version of the GP-100 that used the same smaller grip as the SP models...was fixed sight with a 3" barrel. If they aren't sitting side by side you really can't tell a difference between them unless you actually count the number of holes in the cylinder.

Looks like an SP101 to me. Here is mine...they are at first glance very similar to the GP100. I suppose the 6 shots on the speed strip is what is making it look like a GP and not an SP

I would really, really like to give my business to a local gun dealer...really The only problem is that my choices are as follows... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hal - Ammo Dump Ray - Carters Carl - Sportsman in Hixson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I will not stoop to character sniping as they are rather decent working folk, but these shops are a case-study on how NOT to run a business. They exist simply because of the exclusivity of owning a 01-FFL...that is all they have going for them at 100% markup over the price you can get delivered via MidwayUSA. It is truly embarrassing how bad gun shops are here in Chattanooga. The one sole exception is Skip's in Ooletwah...them good people and won't treat you like a stupid, unpatriotic fool for not buying stuff from them.

There is a huge demand for this type of work ...you have all the connections too ....seriously you could probably go into business doing this.

Ruger SP101 - Perfect for IWB & can be had in shaved hammer version http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=5720&return=Y Can be found for under $450 new...under $400 used

I 100% agree with the moly resin being a quite good product...didn't push it earlier as you were working comfortably with the Duracoat product. It seems to spray better and is easier to work with. Advice if you are going to do this a lot/as a side business. I highly suggest looking into parkerizing....it is very easy to do and requires very little in special equipment. Since you are prepping the surface for the paint the parkerizing would only be 1 additional step. Pick up an electric eye for $20 at wal mart and you can do it outside the kitchen so the wife doesn't freak out. Parkerizing + Moly resin = the most durable finish on a firearm...period. Much more corrosion/wear resistant than even stainless steel.

When CNN, and not Fox, reports this we will celebrate. /Great article