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  No kidding.  I swear, if everybody had to pay taxes like self employed folks do instead of through payroll withholding, there would be a revolt within a fortnight.  Writing that check every year makes me want to drink.    All my income from 2013 came as a 1099 and my amount due is enough to put buying a new long gun on the back burner for a while.

  I'd imagine it covers more than the administrative costs.  And it's not a trivial amount of revenue; it's over $23 million spread over a four year span.   Take the number of current HCP holders- 460,530 and even excluding the initial application fee of $115, calculate how much the renewal cost is ($50) for all of them and it comes out to $23,026,500, or $5.75 million a year since the permit is good for 4 years.  If anybody has an argument that the HCP program costs the state that much to run, I'm all ears.

I'd love it if this bill passed and TN became a "Constitutional  Carry " carry state, but there are downsides.  The state coffers would need to find some way to make up for the lost revenue (that $115 fee adds up when you apply it to everybody that has a permit) and this would cause issues for those of us who travel and would need an issued state HCP to receive reciprocal carry rights across state lines if they stoped issuing permits.

  Didn't notice the dueling threads...maybe a moderator can merge them.   Either way, read the bottom part for the debunking of this being President Clinton's fault. http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/77607-fort-hood-again/?p=1133553

I just looked over the documents that prompted this "outrage".  In the entire thing, this is the only part written about the 2nd Amendment is below.  They also had a CNN article about the NRA, Congress and the President that were in the list of "documents" from the pretend threat.   Information Findings and Recommendations: 52nd CST identified some information of law enforcement value in the building. All of the Down ragne documents that had a URL address listed on the bottom were downloaded and are included in the termination packet. On the chalk board as well as the tables there were several statements about protecting Gun Rights and Second Amendment rights. Additionally a phone number was written on the chalk board with the label William “the boss” Pierce (USPER), 304-539-6221 Area code for Charleston, WV. Below is a list of the documents the CST was able to identify.   OFP is right- a civil support team from the National Guard isn't a commando team in the least.  When I start seeing an exercise that has troops from a combat arms unit doing cordon & searches with confiscate firearms as a task from higher, I'll be upset.   That's even if you can get enough troops to show up for drill.   Also, those backwoods militias should be considered a threat and planned for.  Some of them are stupid and harmless; others are a dangerous amount of crazy and unpredictable.

  They've been trying to find a middle ground audience between MSNBC and Fox News.  They are ahead of MSNBC in the ratings for most time blocks, but well behind Fox News in all of them.    All told though, the amount of cable news ratings on an average day/night isn't as big as all the hoopla about the networks would indicate.  Especially when compared to the size of the adult population or even the voting numbers.

  I made my rental agent stand-by with me while I read the entire lease line by line.  Since there was no mention of it anywhere, I specifically asked about an HOA- there was none.  The fact that there was no HOA was only more important by my place being walking distance to my school (so I could get some free exercise and save gas money) and the crime rate in the area.  I've seen them get completely out of control for what are petty things.  I'm sure I'm not alone.  Signing onto one that bans firearms would be an absolute no-go with me...and everybody here, I'm sure.  Everybody in that HOA should be cringing that their neighborhood has been declared a gun free zone in the open press.  Maybe a right lawyer showing how the HOA could be found liable for damages and loss resulting from a break-in, or the cost benefit analysis to defend against one in court would get them to change their mind.   I make it a rule never to be in a rush to sign anything.  If that means I make a follow on appointment, take a contract out of an office for a little homework instead of signing it there, that's time well spent to me.  Know what you are signing is the best advise anyone can get.  Don't ever be afraid to ask for clarification about something that confuses you from a friend, family or to look it up yourself. 

Thanks for the warm welcome, folks.  John, I may well take you up on that offer sometime in the future.

If this were President Bush standing at the podium and saying that these men were being awarded the MoH due to the fact that when they performed their acts of heroism, they were overlooked for racial reasons, it couldn't see it being an issue.  It would be the same thing it is today- doing the right thing even if years later.  But, because of all the racial undertones real or imagined with President Obama, we have debates like this thread.  Never mind that this initiative was part of the 2002 Defense Appropriations bill.  Passed in 2001, a year when the President was a Republican, the House of Representatives was controlled by Republicans and the Senate was a 51/49 split between Democrats (including an independent that caucused with them) and Republicans.  The leading thoughts that this is some racially biased thing President Obama is doing don't pass the smell test.   The military is representative of society and back then, a sizable portion of our country was racist.  To think that those thoughts weren't part of the beliefs for Army leadership who were raised in that environment isn't realistic  I can absolutely believe that not being white or being Jewish instead of Christian made getting them the recognition they deserved more trouble than it was worth for some.  And by some I mean those who had to process these awards several echelons removed from the units these men served in while under fire.  If their race was enough to be a factor in denying them the award, it's enough of a factor to be mentioned when we correct that.  People should be proud that we looked back and publicly said said "this was wrong" and got these men the recognition they deserved.    I get that there are probably hundreds more of every race/ethnicity/skin color that aren't recognized when they should be.  Garlin Conners is hardly alone in this regard.  But I challenge anyone to look at this list, click through the names, read the stories and tell me who among them may have been awarded the MoH for their race, religion or skin color instead of their actions that day after looking at their heroism without the racism of the days they served in clouding peoples views.

Greetings all.   New to TGO, not TN.  I first came here in 2001 when I was assigned to Fort Campbell.  I stayed "assigned" there for the next eight years with four deployments to Afghanistan and Iraq taking up three and a half of those years.  I decided to keep TN as a state of residence while I was an Army contractor and am currently attending MTSU full time to earn a degree and enjoying a nice change of pace.   I'm interested in reading the forums, seeing if there are any can't pass up deals to add to my firearms collection and am contemplating the merry-go-round process for adding an SBR if the cash flow remains solvent.  Local shooting information is also great to get.  I'll be data mining the forums here, I'm sure.   I'll probably also spend some time in the Current Events and Politics area since those are subjects near and dear to my heart.  I may love firearms and defend the 2nd Amendment with all my heart, but I've been called center left plenty of times.  I'm sure I'll be defending a few positions by myself :cool:   I'm also a Lifetime Member of the Second Amendment Foundation.  If you haven't heard of them, take a moment to Google the name and see for yourself the fine work they are doing in courtrooms for the 2nd Amendment.  They know how to win, that's for sure.   This looks like a great forum.  Hope to be a productive part of it.   -BTQ