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Patton:__________ This one puzzles me. I would have bet that there was a headspace problem with the +P+ rounds. What you described is exactly what we used to see on the old supers. The round woud drop into the barrel a bit mess up the headspace. It sounds like your +p+ rounds are sitting right as to headspace, because both rounds are sitting in the same place in the barrel. By the way, are the rounds flush with the back of the barrel where the barrel meets the slide? You might want to take a .000 (...one thousands...) reading caliper or micrometer and see if you can get a good reading on the +p+ bullet diameter. It would also be great if you could dissassemble on of the +p+ rounds and measure the bullet if you cant get a good reading on the bullet with the load assembled (...sometimes you cant, due to seating depth of the bullet in the case and the curve of the bullet nose...). I would expect the bullet to measure .355 minimum. This is a long shot; but do you see any lead or fouling buildup in the barrel? RE: Guide rod spring. I dont think it is causing any trouble. My guess is that it is in the barrel or the bullet somewhere. We need some more folks to think about this one. Kind regards, Leroy

I think all this is very interesting. My guess is that it is not motivated by anything other than political paybacks for not towing the ruling demorat line (...my guess is that it is for either backing a "clintonista" or balking on a Pelosi (...or nobama...) order to the demorats...). The great thing is that it couldn't happen to two nicer folks. Maxine Waters and Charlie Wrangle epitimize everything that is wrong with politics today in any party. You can bet that there is something up that we dont know yet. Anyway, it is a great day for America when its enemies within start eating eachother. Lets hope for more. PS-- THANKS FOR POSTING THIS INTERESTING NEWS!! Food for thought. Leroy

I like it!!! Keep up the good work! Leroy

KB:___________ It's great stuff aint it?! The little picture is from one of my favorite movies, "Zulu". Keep up the good work! Kind regards, Leroy

All:_________________ Check out this Wall Street Journal article. Link here: Susan Bolton Ruling on Arizona Immigration Law SB 1070 Latest Hot-Button Issue - WSJ.com Text here: Interesting stuff!! Leroy

Cap:___________ You may get a strange urge to get a pith helmet, a pistiol lanyard, and a white buff sam brown belt and holster set up for your webley. Check this out: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UqsRf118B2I/SLwbjLZWQDI/AAAAAAAADMY/fkMATgQ6NJ4/S220/zulu.jpg. Keep up the good work!! Kind regards, Leroy

Greg:_____________ It looks great!! Good work!!!! I would have to carve stick men on any holster that i did (...that's if i could get 'em drawn right the first time...). Keep up the good work. Kind regards, Leroy

I think MvyMtl and others are dead on target here from a political perspective. All this ruling and stay will do is to make this issue more and more visible to everyone; even the casual observers. The border thing is getting worse and worse with the druglords running wild all up and down the border. It's only a matter of time until something really bad happens there that involves a US citizen (...if it hasnt already happened...). Take the time to log on to the El Paso Times newspaper website sometime and take a look ( ...i take a look most every day; there is some pretty interesting stuff there that you wont see in the big news media reports...). Combine that with the latino activists that are continuing to stir this up; and you have a Demorat recipe for disaster simply because they are the party in power now. Most folks want the border secure, and they will be able to figure out pretty quickly that the legal wrangling is nothing but Demorat pandering. I will grant that it could be Republican pandering too, because both parties are guilty; but the Demorats "have the keys now" as the great Nobama quipped just after the election. More than that, the Republicans should make Eric Holder the poster boy for reverse discrimination in this country; because that is who he is, and there appears to be plenty of evidence and willing acusers out there willing to say that. If things get pretty hot for him, the Demorats will toss him under the bus, because that's who polititians are. That will keep fanning the flames and give the Demorats a convenient scapegoat if they need some cover for the elections (...which i believe they will -- the polling data looks bad for the 'rats...). If the Republicans are very smart, (...i know, that may be a silly idea...) they will keep this stirred up and in the news every day. The governor of Arizona (...God bless her--- she may be the only smart Republican [...or real statesman...] out there...) has already started it. This aint going to go away, nor will it be over before the midterm elections. I say, let the howling, retoric, and fireworks begin!! Food for thought. leroy

Thanks for the note on expansion; I'd say they are plenty good. The phonebook is plenty tough. If they were going to shed their jackets, they probably would in the phonebook paper. Looks like the guys have figured how to keep these speedy jhp bullets together. They used to be bad to shed their jackets. Re: glockster's post regarding the gold dots out of the glock 33. Our handloads will run from 1275 to 1325 out of our little cannon; so his numbers are right in line with ours. Thanks to both of you for taking the time to post the replys. RE: The +p+ ammo inaccuracy problems. I would take a look at whether the +p+9mm ammo will headspace in the barrel properly. Just take the barrel out of the pistol and drop a couple or rounds in the chamber. If they try to drop below the breech, its a headspace problem with the rounds. They may be crimped too heavily from the factory; allowing the end of the round to slide by the end of the chamber. We used to have these problems in the "old days" with the Colt series 70 38 supers (...they used to headspace on a small rim at the hood---- the new ones dont have this problem...). Lots of times it wouldnt space and drop by the hood. It would cause wild inaccuracy (....similar to what you have experienced...). We used to seat the bullets out to just touch the lands of the barrel (...i dont recommend this anymore!...) to fix the headspace problem. Accuracy would go right back up where it should be (...just like your 9mm fmj rounds...). Same pistol, completely different results. The headspace thing makes a great difference in accuracy in pistols. Thanks again. Kind regards, Leroy

I like Gobble too. Unfortunately, im in the second congressional district. Keep up the good work. Kind regards, Leroy

Patton:________________ How did the 357 sig do on expansion? Did the bullets shed their jackets in the phonebook? RE: You might want to take a look and see if the 9mm rounds are dropping by the chamber mouth on your 9mm barrel and causing headspace problems. Ive seen that before on the old colt 38 supers (...they originally had headspace problems...). They would sometimes shoot exactly as you have described. Kind regards, Leroy

My opinion on socialists is simple. I don’t like them; and I don’t like their politics. By the way; by making this pronouncement; I am exercising my right (...thru the benevolence of TGO...) to free political speech. Socialists are a menace to liberty and are the exact anthesis of principles this country was founded on. Socialism has never worked in any country where it has been tried. We have tried it incrementally in this country since the New Deal. It aint working here either. The terms "socialist" and "communist" can be used interchangeably. In my mind, we are making a "distinction without a difference". Socialism and its brother communism ultimately ban the private ownership of property, the means of production, and everything else that is heinous in the view of the majority of Americans. It postulates, in effect, that the State is god (...or, God ---depending on your worldview...); and as such, owns everything. It proposes to "take from each according to his abilities; and give to each according to his needs". The fact is that it takes from producers and gives to non-producers thru the power of the state; using the bayonet if necessary. The idea that it is benevolent and fair is absurd. The reason socialism has been successful in this country is twofold: First, it is not called socialism in this country (...it goes by several interesting names: compassionate conservatism, welfare, managing of resources, graduated income tax, social security--- you get the picture...). The second is that this country since WW1 has been the richest and most prosperous country on the face of the earth. That allowed socialism to be talked about by the non-working trash class, the foolish pseudo-intellectuals, and the "avant-garde" academic class ensconced in many Ivy League universities. They didn’t call it socialism, even then, they called it a ..."managed economy” and "progressivism"...". It almost died out due to the prosperity in this country; but a weak RINO Republican presidential candidate, lies spoke by the Demorats (...the old 'Hope and Change baloney...); along with general dissatisfaction with the Republican Party all came together to elect the most radical socialist bunch of trash this country has ever seen. Socialism always devolves into communism. Don’t be worried about the socialists and communists taking over here (...the socialists already have---for the time being...). Luckily, we still have the vote (...for the time being, anyway...) and this bunch of socialist trash will most likely be thrown out. By the way, AR hit it out of the park right here: Hows that? Leroy

USMCJG:__________ Thanks for the kind words and the "socialists" observation. RE: "socialsts" I agree. Poor choice of words. Should have been communists. Check this link out RE: the Sparticists (...German communists...):The Spartacists. Keep up the good work. Kind regards, Leroy

It's a great thing! Thanks for posting the pictures. Kind regards, Leroy

runningfree:____________ This is great stuff!! I heartily agree. Keep up the good work! Kind regards, Leroy

I see my little epistle was a waste on you. Leroy

Dear Mr strelcevina:_______________ I am going to make the assumption that you are a genuine émigré and not a socialist troll (…or mole, as it were…) who has infiltrated our little band. I gather from your post that you may be a recent émigré and may not be familiar with our culture, history, and world view. With that thought in mind, I would like to take the time to point out a few things that you need to consider. Here they are: First of all, the border issue has nothing to do with immigration. It has everything to do with political pandering by politicians of all political stripes in this country; and it has been going on for years. The absolute refusal of those in government at this juncture in history to enforce border sovereignty is an affront to this country and all its citizenry. It has nothing to do with Neo-Nazi-ism or any of that other malarkey. It has everything to do with political pandering, vote buying, greed, and influence peddling; and the people of this country well know that. In my view, the people responsible for thwarting the enforcement of border security are the real traitors in this story. Secondly, you may have not learned this truth as yet; but freedom of political expression is guaranteed in this country. That means that you can associate with anyone you wish to associate with, adhere to any political view you choose (…no matter how heinous…), and engage in free political speech (…no matter how grievous and terrible to some hearers…). This is the only nation on the face of the earth where that happens. All these freedoms are guaranteed in the Constitution and outlined in the Bill of Rights. That means that folks like Neo-Nazis or trash like the Southern Poverty Law Center (…which is neither southern nor a bastion of law in this country…) can say whatever they choose to say. The Neo-Nazis espouse racial superiority --- that’s free political speech. The Southern Poverty Law Center tries to intimidate and keep tabs on political groups they don’t like (…which is most everybody that’s not communist…)--- again; free political speech--- all the while purporting to be doing good things – what hypocrisy. It also means that the “Reverend” Jeremiah Wright can stand in the pulpit of a black Chicago church for decades and preach the socialist gospel of hate masquerading as a man of God, preaching socialism to the flock, demonizing this country, and spreading hatred for white folks; then retire to a Ten Million dollar villa in Chicago while admonishing his flock to eschew materialism and “keep the faith”--- again, incredible hypocrisy!. It means that the “La Raza” latino community can stand on the streets of Kalefornia and campaign for the militant latino community to take over Kalefornia first (…as far as I’m concerned, they can have it…) then the rest of this country. Again, all because we have freedom of political speech in this country. Now to the issue of ‘Neo-Nazism”. The fact of the matter is that everything that the Nazis believed is not bad. They were fiercely nationalistic (…they loved their country—a valuable commodity today, in my opinion…). They hated socialism in all its forms (…another great trait in my view…). And they were willing to put their beliefs into action (…again, a valuable trait for any people group…). It is my personal belief that if they hadn’t been lead by a madman and had have left the Jews and other people groups alone; it would have been a hard sell, indeed, to get the US involved in WW2. The fact is that prior to WW2 (…and well into it in some places…) there was a very powerful group of US Congressmen (…along with a large constituency of US citizens…) who were sympathetic to the German fight against socialism and who also thought that the German Nation as a whole had been terribly treated as the result of the Versailles Treaty at the end of WW1. In fact, the great French General, Marshall Foch predicted that the unreasonable terms of the Versailles Treaty would produce another German-European war within 20 years. He missed his prediction by 6 months. Additionally, there are those who believe that the Great Depression (…by the way, a world depression—not just a US Depression…) was caused by these unreasonable terms. There are those who believe (…correctly, in my view…) that the US president Woodrow Wilson sold the Germans out in order to get his great pet, the League of Nations (…today’s UN…). There was (…and still is…) a large German-American population in this country. They were once émigré’s too. The history revisionists have painted all Germans as Nazis and, sadly, lots of people have believed the lie. That is no more the truth than saying that all blacks are lazy and on the dole and that all Latinos are illegals. Now to the issue of “all immigrants making things better”… The fact is that in many (…not all…) cases that émigrés strive to make things better. We can point to notable successes in this area. There are, however, some notable failures (…some of them subversive, in my estimation…). Eastern European émigrés (…along with Bolshevik intellectuals ensconced in Ivy League universities of the northeast…) brought the concept of socialism to this country. Socialism is the very anthesis of principles that this country is founded on. Émigrés from the third and fourth great wave of immigration in this country helped to foment and participated in the majority of the labor disputes that rocked this country from the early nineteen hundreds thru the thirties when the great socialist Roosevelt tipped the scales for socialism by backing union demands for acceptance in the workplace. This battle is continuing to this day. There is a very powerful minority in this country today who are working mightily to turn this country from the very place that started out so great, into a socialist “worker's paradise” where no one works and a group of socialist elites controls everything --- healthcare, banking, the auto industry, on and on---you get the picture. That group is currently occupying the White House now. Now to the moral of this little epistle --- Don’t believe everything that some political demagogue tells you to believe just because it sounds good, fits your individual biases, or puts something in your pocket. Take a look at everything; even that that looks to be contrary to your sensibilities, examine the evidence, and then make your judgments. If you want to enjoy and practice the freedoms that have made this country the greatest place on the face of the earth, I believe that you had best take a good hard look at the battle that is going on now. You had better decide which side of this battle you are on; and start doing to ensure that the freedoms you enjoy now are preserved. Food for thought. Leroy

In my experience there is no difference in primers for pistol loads other than hardness of the primer cup material. There is published data and testimony out there in places like the benchrest shooting world who will tell you that differences in rifle primers causes variations in the performance of rifle loads. But it is important to rememver, these guys measure minute differences in groups. Hope this helps. Kind regards, Leroy

I doubt it. He dont look like he has the nerve to talk straight to these boys. My bet is that his producer looked up any info remotely ---HEHEHE. These guys may have gotten their inspiration here: Feldgrau :: Reichswehr - The Armed Forces 1918-1935. Ya gotta admit though; no matter what their views and politics are, they have the right idea and plenty of nerve. That is a valuable commodity in todays feminized society. While others are talking and wringing their hands, these boys are keeping the peace (...at least where they are...). Keep up the good work! Kind regards, Leroy

KB:________________ I understand. We use the rainier bullets with the 357 sig. Load them pretty hot. About 1275 fps out of the little glock (...chronographed thru a CRONY...). They work great; very accurate. I like the plated bullets. Matter of fact, we have 500 of the 200 grain 45ACPs and a pile of once fired brass in the loading room to load up for the 45's at the house. RE: The hot load warning from Berrys. My guess is that they are worried about copper flaking off when shooting 'hot loads" and lodging in the barrel (...which i believe is extremely far fetched...). Mr. Berry must have a lawyer brother or kid. Keep up the good work and let us know how the next batch of reloads turn out. Kind regards, Leroy

Davd West. Ciderville Music Store. Go out 25W (...Clinton Highway...) toward Clinton. Just across the Knox/Anderson County line on the left at the bottom of the hill. They are good folks and have most everything. Hope this helps. Kind regards, Leroy

Plus 1 to what Froggy posted. Powder Valley is a great bunch to do business with. Just recieved a bunch of powder from them. Quick shipping and good prices. All that being said; Widener's is a good bunch too. They are one of the few wholesalers left who will let you order and pick up locally. Drop them an e-mail note for details. Kind regards, Leroy PS-- THANKS FOR POSTING THE WIDENERS NOTE!!

I like these guys too. Leroy

KB:_________________ Saw your post about the Berrys Plated Bullets. Dont worry too much about pressures; the plated bullets are alot more like lead (...only difference is the thin copper plating to prevent leading...) than the full metal jackets. They will not develop the pressures that jacketed bullets will. I use them all the time in our little 357 sig glock 33 (...they are great practice loads...). Here is some interesting reading from Rainier: Loading Data regarding the plated bullet load recipes. We use the Rainer stuff all the time (...get them from Midway...). They are just like the Berrys bullets. Kind regards, Leroy

Glad to hear it! Thanks for posting. Kind regards, Leroy