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Well, I was thinking. Maybe, Glock should come out with a shotgun, then the debate would be over. Perfection delivered!

I'd recommend a speedfeed IV stock, ghost ring sights and a sling. Skip the light and any other "tactical" add ons.

That joke sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's not an Academy in knoxville. I recently moved here from Franklin. There were two Academy sports in Nashville. Today, I pickup ammo whenever I go over to check on my other house.

Academy had 9mm blazer for $3.99 a couple of years ago. Dealer cost was almost a buck more. They've doubled their cost to get their margins back in range. Also, their price escalation began with the introduction of Monarach brand ammo. On Wal-Mart carrying second quality ammo, that is complete garbage. Brass, ammo and bullets are the same for WWB and CCI Blazer brass.

Doesn't really matter, because there is only one solution....Glock Perfection.

Marlin and Ruger make very nice carbines, but they run more than $400 these days. The highpoints are also starting to creep up there. Last gun show they were $279 on a couple of tables. They are nice shooters, but ugly. Also their mags aren;t shared with a service pistol.

Buy a Glock. They are much better than everything else.

Franklin Gun shop has a great selection and pretty decent customer service, however they are overpriced and a bit pushy. Also, I had a bad experience with them. One of the sons sold me on a "lightly used / nicely smithed Daly 1911". A year later when I attempted to trade it on a Glock 34, the same guy told me the that the Daly 1911 was "cast" and poor quality. Needless to say, they lost my trust and I'll never go back.

I've owned a lot of Tauri. IMO, their quality control issues ended in the late 80s. Even then, the quality of their autos was great. The main issues related to the timing on their revolvers.

slow down. you doing too much too fast. addition is tough to break.

http://groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/whatisana1a2a3ora4.msnw What is an A1, A2, A3, A4? This section deals with the differences in both Receivers and Rifles based on the letter/number combinations. A1/C7 This is a Bushmaster A1 type upper. It has a tear drop shaped forward assist, and a rear sight that only adjusts for windage (the aperture has two holes the same size one for long distance @375M, the other for a 250M battle sight zero). To adjust the rear sight you either need a rear sight tool, or use a cartridge to press the locking detent. On a 20" barrel each click of windage is 1" at 100 yards. This photo is really of a Canadian C7 type upper (improved A1) it differes from a standard A1 by adding the brass deflector just aft of the forward assist. Early M16s & SP1s used a similar upper (sans brass deflector & forward assist). A1 type front sights are round and have 5 clicks per rotation (for a 1" change per click at 100 yards when used on a 20" barrel). You don't see these anymore - current rifles produced with A1 type uppers often use A2 type front sights. A2 This is probably the most common upper seen today. It is used by the M16A2 (and M16A3) and the early version of the M4 carbine. It was the first to have the built in brass deflector. It also sports a round forward assist, and a rear sight that is adjustable for windage and elevation. The elevation wheel is calibrated for M855 shooting out of a 20" barrel out to 800M. On a 20" barrel each click of windage is 0.5" at 100 yards, each click of elevation is 1" at 100 yards. There is a large aperture for low light/close in (< 200M) shooting and a small aperture used for longer range shooting (300m+). A2 type front sights are square and have 4 clicks per rotation (for a 1.25" change per click at 100 yards when used on a 20" barrel). A3/A4 - removable carry handle Also known as the 'flattop'. This is referred to as an A3 type upper by most civilian AR-15 manufactures, and an A4 type by a few. This upper has the same brass deflector and round forward assist of the A2 type upper, but sports a rail to mount optics instead of a rear sight. There is a detachable version of the A2 handle that can be mounted on the rail; its difference is its only calibrated to 600M and the elevation adjustments at 0.5" per click at 100yards. This rail makes it easy to attach a wide variety of optics and night vision so they are at the proper height for a good cheek weld, and they can be removed and reattached with no loss of zero. Rifle Types: XM16: Original, non lined barrel, no forward assist. Sights are the windage adjustable only type for the rear, round type front sight. Triangular handguards. Buttstock is 9 7/8" long, has no trapdoor, and the rear sling swivel actually swivels fore and aft. Barrel is light weight (.600" for the whole length) 20" long with an open 3 pronged flash supressor, and 1:12 twist. Selector is safe-semi-auto. Bolt and bolt carrier are chrome plated. XM16E1: Like the XM16 except forward assist is added to insure bolt closure upon loading. M16 and M16A1: Essentially the XM16 and XM16E1 with a few mods were officially adopted as the M16 and M16A1. Like above with: Chrome chamber (only, later chrome bore), flash suppressor is changed to the 'bird cage' style to prevent snagging on foliage, bolt carrier is now phosphate covered and chrome lined for reliability. A trap door is added to the stock (to store the cleaning kit), and the rear sling swivel is now fixed in position. Retains the triangular handguards, and XM16 type front & rear sights. A partial magazine fence (raised area) is added to protect the magazine release button on the lower receiver. Selector remains safe-semi-auto. LTC Santose noted his units M16E1s were updated to partial M16A1 spec (replaced bolt carriers & flash suppressors) in the fall of 1968 in the field (Vietnam). M16 was USAF issue only. XM rifles going thru depot rebuild received all M mods. M16A2: Barrel is made heavier forward of the front sight (from .60" to .73" diameter), twist is tightened to 1:7 to handle M855 & M856. Upper is changed to the A2 type (with a fully adjustable rear sight & brass deflector), front sight is changed to a square post with courser adjustments. All plastic parts are made from an improved & strenghthened plastic. Stock is lengthened to 10.5" and the buttplate is checkered to hold it in place better. Pistol grip is thickened and a finger groove is added. Handguards are now changed to the round type (stronger & interchangable). Flash suppressor has the holes on the 6 o'clock position filled in so it also acts like a compensator (and stops kicking up dust when firing from the prone). There are re-enforcements to the lower receiver around the receiver extension and the forward take down pin. Selector is safe-semi-burst (shoots only 3 rounds per press of the trigger). M16A3: Identical to the M16A2 except selector is safe-semi-auto. M16A4: Flattop version of the M16A2 (no rear sight - it has the optics rail). XM177/XM177E1: Submachine gun version of the XM16 (no forward assist USAF GAU-5), or XM16E1 (USA). Round handguards, no bayonet lug, 10" barrel, 4" flash/noise supressor, and a ruber covered aluminum 2 position telescoping stock. Very limited production for special operations forces. XM177E2: Improved XM177E1 submachine gun.. Has an 11.5" barrel (to mount theXM203 grenade launcher) with the same flash/noise supressor as the XM177E1). Otherwise identical to the XM177E1. Retained the rubber covered aluminum telescopting stock. These were originally issued with what proved to be highly unreliable 30 round magazines (different design than current magazine). There were less than 600 of these submachine guns produced and all were made in 1968. These remained experimental submachine guns and were never adopted, hence the XM model numbers. These were also pieced and parted together at unit level in almost infinite varieties. They retained all XM16 internal parts including the chrome bolt carrier group. The Air Force also used this carbine without the forward assist, its nomenclature was GAU-5/A/A. M4: Early version sported an A2 carry handle, later ones had the flattop receiver. Selector is safe-semi-burst, it sports a 14.5" barrel with an A2 type flash suppressor. Barrel is skinny under the handguards and thickens to .73" from the muzzle to the front sight, there is a cut in the barrel forward of the front sight to facilitate adding a M203 grenade launcher. The stock is of the fiberlite telescoping kind (which has recently been improved). There are also fatter oval profile handguards with double heat shields. M4A1: Just like the M4, except they are all flattop receivers. Selector is safe-semi-auto. Newer versions have a slightly heavier barrel (thicker under the handguards) to handle full-auto fire for longer periods.

Start here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=306487

Forget the .300 mag for hunting deer. Its just not efficient. The .270 is nice, but the .25-06 is nicer. Honestly, I've killed more than 50 deer with my .25-06 and never had one take a step. The light bullets at high velocity transfer almost 100% of its energy into the deer's body. Plus, mine is 1" MOA at 100yds. My 7mm mag (and former .300 mag) is less accurate and over penetrates within range.

Frank: Thanks for info. I"ve always folllowed the ABCD rule (Armalite, Bushmaster, Cold, DPMS). Over the years, Sabre, Double star, Stag, etc have been added to my list. I guess I am a bit surprised by the BM quality issues. I've owned several over the years, including one of the "purple" ones from the early years. I've also owned a DMPS or two that was lacking (cast lower or rough finish). Anyway, thanks for your thoughts. They are highly valued!

Hero: Why would you recommend against Bushmaster? I'm in agreement with Oly and Colt. BM and a number of others are on my recommended list.

Nice score. Those Norinco's clean up nice. Where did you find it?

I'm going to try and make it.

Thanks for info. I was planning to buy one, but your comments are making me think otherwise.

Eddie: Did you have a bad experience with the CX-4. I checked one out and like it much more than I expected. If I could find one for a reasonable price, I might buy it.

I almost forgot about this weekend. I am down. So is 3 gun the plan? Also, what's the latest meeting time and location?

Once you receive your money, please have your people call my people. Us millionaires need to stick together.

price is an object. I cannot go over $500. Closer to 200 is better.

Guys: I've scrapped my plan to pickup a .308 carbine in favor of picking up a pistol caliber carbine. I've poured through the recent Kel-tec and hi-point discussions. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Also, anyone know where to find one today? I've had a heck of time finding much to look at in Knoxville.

MY receiver had a rear sling attachment point. Basically, a square is cut in the receiver/ The sling loop has tabs that fold over to secure to receiver. See pic of similar AMD below: