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Only thing we can hope for at this point is the crazy democrats over in the house vote it down for not going far enough. what we need to be doing is tell the house democrats to vote this down for not going far enough. It’s the only hope we have at this point.

From what I’ve heard thus far, it won’t affect TN at all. The meat of the ruling was that the people have a right to go armed, but the State can ban carrying in “sensitive” areas and private businesses that want to. TN law is already pretty much that way.

I just saw on the ABC evening news, Wild Wild West was mentioned several times. The NYC mayor even said it, while they were showing a clip of a subway shooting. All I could think was “looks like it’s already the Wild West, maybe now somebody on the subway will be armed and can stop the shooter”.

Well at least it’s not as bad as a 9mm round that blows your lung out of your body.

I don’t think it is just video games, I think violent movies can have the same effect, to a lesser degree. I grew up in the country where hunting and shooting was a way of life, but you take your average suburban kid wouldn’t even know the difference between a rifle and shotgun if somebody didn’t teach them. Video games are teaching them, and they do a horrible job of teaching kids gun safety and morality. Something has changed in the last 20 years to create these mass shooters, and I don’t think you can lay your finger on just one thing, but I think it is several things that have come together to create these monsters. You take the breakdown of the nuclear family (nobody to teach them right from wrong), video games, movies, and the internet (replacing the parents in teaching kids right from wrong), and the trend to just drug kids with problems instead of doing the harder job of correcting the problem, and you have the perfect storm.

I've been thinking about this the last few days, and I can't help but think the these war and violence video games play a part in all this. Now I don't think these video games will do anything to a mentally stable child, but somebody that is a little unstable I think it works on. First off, kids these days play these games and seem to confuse video game play with reality, I've seen these kids. I got into a argument of a FB gun page about a M16, I thought I was talking to just a misinformed individual, what I finally found out was it was a kid that his only knowledge of a M16 was what he had learned in a game, and swore that the info was 100% correct. We are producing kids that have zero real world firearm experience that turn into young adults that go out and buy a gun and think they know all about it because they used said guns in video games. These kids either don't have fathers in the home to teach them about firearms, or they are in a "gun free" home, and their knowledge of firearm safety and consequences of misusing is taught by video games. It also desensitizes mentally unstable kids of the horror of actual killing.

I listened to part of the speech. He started by telling how he wasn't going after responsible gun owners, then he spends the rest of the speech telling how he is going to go after responsible gun owners. Part of me wishes that they would just go ahead and go full blown confiscation and lets just go ahead and get this over with, but I don't think anybody really wants that.

And you've always been able to own a cannon under federal law. Try again Brandon.

I’m not saying everybody has to be in church Sunday (although it wouldn’t be a bad idea), but the things talked about in that Reddit post are Christian principles.

I didn’t say it was better or worse, but if you can’t understand the different mindset of a lone gunman shooting up a school and a government policy to eradicate a people from their land, I can’t help you. Last time I checked the discussion was trying to figure out why kids are shooting up schools, you and others seem to think it has something to do with how the government treated the Indians over 100 years ago, which is insane to me.

What would you suggest we do about the indians living in poverty? I agree they got a raw deal, but I or anybody else alive today didn't have anything to do with it, why am I guilty of the sins of my forefathers? I'm guilty just because I'm white and happened to be born in the US, neither of which I had any control over. I 100% agree that we should love our neighbor as ourselves, but I think we all fall short of that from time to time. I do agree that we should quit trying to edit history to suit our needs. I also agree that you can be the best parents in the world and have a rotten child, I've seen it happen. It is also true that you could have the most rotten childhood anybody could imagine and still turn out alright. Both of those scenarios are out of the norm though. I can't lay my finger on a single thing that causes somebody to want to go into a school and shoot it up, I think it is an accumulation of a bunch of things to create these monsters, but I do think a collapse of the traditional family has a lot to do with it. The problem with that is, nobody wants to hear that you should put more thought into who you marry and have kids with, and you need to try harder to stay married and take care of your kids, and you shouldn't have kids outside of marriage.

When I went to High School there were more pickups with rifles in the rack than there were that weren't, not once did anybody go to their vehicle, grab the rifle off the rack, and shoot up the school. There were also zero SROs, and every door was unlocked and people just came and went as they pleased. Access to firearms were as easy as a walk to the parking lot, and zero security measures in place as a deterrent, yet nobody even thought of shooting up the school. I suspect most other rural schools were much the same. There is no more access to guns now than there were in the past, yet school shootings are a fairly recent event. Something else has changed. I'm not forcing religion on anybody, but I will express my beliefs. The destruction of the nuclear family is a big one, which is a religious concept. Almost all of these school shooters have lots of things in common, one main one is a lack of a father in the child's life, and it sounds like this one didn't even have a mother that wanted anything to do with him. Now that doesn't mean that I want some sort of law to keep families together, but that doesn't mean that I should not try to make sure kids have a father and mother in their home if I can.

That was the government that did that, not lone gunmen just going in and shooting up a indian camp.

Society has collapsed as a whole. We've had devices readily available to create mass casualty events for well over 100 years, but indiscriminate mass casualty events on innocent people and children is something that really just started in the last 30 years. I mean, even in the wild west where everybody carried a gun and a short temper would never think of just going in and shooting up a school or church. David is 100% spot on, we have schools that are not much more that indoctrination camps to make good little liberals, kids with just one parent or no parents, and all other matter of debauchery that has now become commonplace. You have the government, the Sate run media, and social media all pushing this agenda, and willing to destroy anybody that speaks against them, and don't even realize that they are the ones causing this problem. This isn't something that came about in the last few years, I will submit it really started gathering steam in the '60s with all the peace, love, and "free" thinking. It has really went into overdrive within the last 10 years or so. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see us doing anything but getting worse and worse, people as a whole have just become to depraved and self centered to even consider a different point of view. We have to try though, and try hard any way we can. To fix the problem will take years, because it took us many years to get to this point. I don't think God is punishing us for our bad behavior, but he is willing to watch us reap the rewards of our foolish actions.

I would, especially if my child was in there. When the officers wouldn't go in (if this is true) and wouldn't let me in, they just became part of the threat. I have no elusion that I could walk in a neutralize the bad guy, I would submit that the probability would be high that I could very well end up as another casualty, but what other choice would you have? I just can't hardly stand the thought of kids lying there wounded and bleeding out while everybody just stood by for an hour.

As a Christian, I don't think God sees any good in this. We (country and world as a whole) did this. God doesn't cause tragedies like this, but he is willing to let us reap the rewards of our sinful ways. This country is broken, and I would submit it is a direct result of turning away from God and family. I'm not here to force my beliefs on everybody, but that's the way I see it.

Yes, you can own grenades, I've seen a couple of live ones in private hands. Problem is that it's a $200 tax and paperwork on each one. The couple I saw were people that had more money than the had sense and just had them for the novelty of it. Keep in mind there are also quite a few around that are off the books, I suspect these were stolen from Uncle Sam.

I have had to show my form 4 copy to law enforcement. Most of the time they won't even notice a SBR, but when they hear machine gun fire they start asking questions. Of the 2 times I showed it, I don't think the local officer even knew what he was looking at, but it satisfied them both times. Well one of them still tried to give me trouble, saying civilians can't own a machine gun, even with paperwork, but I told him to call his supervisor and he straightened it out. It's really not that big of hassle to own class 3 stuff, although some would say that it can add a aggravating factor if you ever use your class 3 firearm in self defense. I never carry a class 3 firearm as my primary self defense weapon.

Maybe so, but the text says "guns recovered from crime scenes". I guess when the raided the places, since they considered them building illegal firearms, they could make the stretch that it was a crime scene. You know how they like to twist the facts. On the topic of "ghost guns" what will now constitute a firearm, I mean where do they stop. Is it going to get to the point that you can have a illegal firearm if you have a chunk of aluminum lying around?

Thanks for the clarification. That isn't nowhere near as bad.

Ok, they looking at making the upper a firearm also. I have a few machine guns, none of witch have the original uppers. If I put a new upper on a registered machine gun lower, have I just made a unregistered machine gun? Lots of the rule is bad, but this is the worst. Forget 80% lowers, I’m going to need to find a source for 80% uppers.

I skimmed it. One thing that stuck out is they are claiming over 45,000 "ghost guns" were recovered from crime scenes since 2016. That number seems awfully high. If we do take that number at face value, somebody has to be building guns on the black market without serial numbers and selling them on the street. There is no way there are that many John Does out there building guns in their garage and going out and committing crimes. I would also submit that if there are high volume manufacturers building guns for the black market, these new rules will do nothing to stop it. Other than that, the rest of it reads awfully confusing, and will require more time to weed though. Just skimming it, I get the feeling that they are fixing to try to regulate a whole lot more than the lower receiver on something like a AR. Talk about a nightmare if they do that.

I help out too, but just on a strictly volunteer basis. I with a group that volunteer to help them with things like fundraisers, drug take backs, some traffic control, and just anything they need help with, but we have zero police authority. I've been though 40 hours of training with that, including some force-on-force and driving, but it's just local and doesn't go toward any State mandated training.

Several years ago I had the local Sheriff offer me a "Special Deputy" badge if I completed the State mandated training. I think it was 80hrs initially and then 20hrs a year (or was it 40?). I never did follow though with it because I couldn't make time for the training, which was offered during the week in the middle of the day. If I could have taken the training at night or on weekends I would have probably done it. So the avenue is currently there if you have a favorable sheriff. They also offer a "reserve deputy" position at our local Sheriff's Office. You still have to do the State mandated training, but the County will pay for it. The only catch there is you have to volunteer (without pay) to work as a officer so many hours a month. I don't recall how many hours (it's not a lot) but you still have to do it.

That would be great, but I'm not holding my breath until it passes. I was in a "gun free zone" a few years ago when some crap wend down that made me really wish I had my firearm. After that I looked into becoming a Special Deputy, and the local Sheriff at the time said he would give it to me if I passed the State required training. It's several hours of training are refreshers each year. I never could find the time to do that so I never did. Only reason I wanted it was so I could carry in prohibited places.