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Correct, but you do have a chance at least. ....and maybe even more of one than you'd have, had you not been armed and/or used it....

If this are the one you're thinking of, there were difference in the house and senate version and the never could get together on it.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/indiana.pdf

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I don't think the law that would let Judges carry like LEOs passed....did it?

Not sure but the Attorney General I think.

Nothing IMO

I said this in another thread about 39-17-1359 sinage, but I think the "substainly simmilar" was to allow the property owner to "customize" the sign to fit there needs as to where they want to prohibit carry (property, buliding, floor, room, etc...) and to allow them to use the name of the business/company instead of owner/operator of this property. Signs for parks and schools can be exact because the whole property is off limits. But that is just my non-legal opinion and has been said there is no case law on this that I know of.

It has been passed by the house and senate, but it doesn't show it has been sent to him yet. Here is the bill's status page. Hopefully it will be updated tomorrow.

It will go into effect immideatly when the governor signs it or after it has sat on his desk for 10 days (excluding Sundays).

I should have clarified, I meant more if you held him at gun point until the police arrived, not if you actually shot him.

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You can use the same amount of force (including deadly force) in defense of a third person as you can in self-defense.

I think you were misinformed.

Good deal, make sure to let us know when you get a copy of the order.

TN has preemption and no cities have an exemption like Denver does in CO. Local governments can post their property like any other property owner, this includes local parks as well.

Are you sure you thinking of a carjacker or the incident on school grounds where a guy got a handgun out of his truck after the other guy had a knife? If that is the case you are thinking of, they guy was convicted because of being on school grounds, not just displaying the handgun. But you're right the judge did say had he "used" it in self-defense he would have not been convicted. Actually a carjacking is one of the situations HB0070 was passed to address. The self-defense law presumes you are in fear of imminent death or serious bodily harm if someone is trying to break into your occupied car. So you could lawfully use deadly force for self-defense. However an over-zealous DA could have said you were using deadly force to protect your car (property) which is illegal. So this bill just clarifies that using deadly force while protecting property is legal so long as you using deadly force for self-defense as well.

You can confront the person of course. But you can not use your firearm unless self-defense is in play. As far as pointing the weapon at him...I'm not sure if that would be considered using deadly force or not. Now if you were inside the tool shed when he broke in, then it would be the same as if he broke into your house with you in it. I am not giving any legal advise here and have nothing to really base this on, but I think if it is a "gray" area you would be cut some slack on your own property against an intruder.

Just to clarify first, a child of any age can posses a firearm on the parent's property with the parent's permission. Now...you bring up a very good point. Without going into a long story, my kids are not living with me at the moment, but when they where I had thought about this. My trouble is the only firearm I own is my carry weapon, so if I was away from the house, so was the only weapon in the household. I was about to get a shotgun, but then the living situation changed. I would say a lot of it would depend on the child. Taking them to the range, getting the comfortable with the firearm, knowing how it operates etc.... I would say this could be done fairly easy with the average 13-14 year old and probably even younger with some children.

Ah ok.... Well then as far as Cherokee NF goes, we know there is no Federal Law that prohibits carry in National Forest, TN has just passed a law to allow carry in National Forest, so unless there is some local regulation made by the Ranger in charge of Cherokee NF, carry should be legal there, right? If so, just need to try and figure out who to talk to to get the order against carry at LBL changed.

I think the three of us (JayC, Patty and myself) are in 99.9% agreement. The one thing just posted I would disagree with is.. I think that will have to change when this becomes law. At least in so far as just being able to carry a handgun. Nothing has to change as far as use of handgun to hunt regardless of this bill/law.

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