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It definetly would be interesting...

39-14-205 says that is illegal "to knowingly and unlawfully kill the animal of another without the owner's effective consent." It doesn't matter where the animimal is, their property, public or even your property. When it mentions "property" in sub-part (a)(1)( it means the killing of the animal is dealt with as theft of property. Part ( is the self-defense part where you can kill an animal if you think there is an "imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury to that person or another or an imminent danger of death to an animal owned by that person." When it mentions property it is saying you can't claim self-defense if you (the shooter) are trespassing on the property of the owner of the animal. Now with all that said, if you truly believe these to be strays, it would seem you are not knowingly killing the animal of another though. IMO and IANAL

It's not a bad idea at all. But I'm not sure how many professionals would volunteer their time. But isn't sort of hard to discuss what would or would not go to trial without specifics of an incident? How did y'all meetings go?

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I moved it because it seemed you were just asking for directions. I'm sorry, it was not obvious to me, I am not from that area and do not know that Shelby Farms is a publicly owned park or that your intention was to find out if you could legally carry at the Agricenter or not.

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No, not all. I more meant that some simply have a higher tolerance for the few that do act that way.

No sir...you are focused on the wrong issue I was addressing. I completely agree that law allows you to carry anywhere you can go [excepted as provided for 39-17-1350©]. I am not talking about whether a LEO or a HCP holder is armed or not. My issue is that being a LEO shouldn't mean you can go anywhere you want to go period though. Private property that is open to the public does not cease to become private property that is controlled by the owner. If I walk into a store the owner can tell me to leave for any reason. If you are there just to buy a coke, not to investigate a crime, not on patrol or anything, why can't he tell you he does not want you in his store either? Just because you are higher class of citizen by being a LEO? As I've said in another thread, I've worked in LE....I guess one reason that I don't still is I just couldn't puff out my chest far enough and act like I was always right and everyone else was always wrong. That I knew I couldn't simply come and go and do as I please, that the law still applies to those that enforce it. If someone becomes an officer simply so they can have privileges that others don't and feel they are above everyone else, they are in it for the wrong reason.

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Actually it doesn't say "every entrance" but all entrances "primarily used by persons entering the property" So if there is an entrance to a place that is not normally used by people to enter it, that particular entrance wouldn't have to be posted for the property to still be legally posted.

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It seems like some basic questions come up somewhat often over time from new members or those just getting interested in Self-Defense and Carry so I made a thread with some basic info in it. In the future you can refer them to this thread if you like.

There are basically 5 places that are off limits by TN law for those with a HCP to carry. *Click LexisNexis TN code and go to the code number to see the actual law for any possible exceptions or specifics In any room where a judicial proceeding is taking place. (39-17-1306) Schools. (39-17-1309 and 39-17-1310) Some local public Parks and recreational property. (39-17-1311) See this thread (Not a complete list) Any Penal Institution (39-16-201) Any place properly posted per 39-17-1359 Note on Restaurant Carry and Posting per 39-17-1359 The veto of SB3012 was overridden by the Senate on 05/27/10 and the House on 06/04/10. This bill repeals 39-17-1305 and therefore allows carry in places that serve alcohol so long as your not consuming (39-17-1321) or as long as the place is not posted per 39-17-1359 This bill also changed 39-17-1359 and allows the "International No" symbol along with the picture of a handgun (example) to act as a legal posting alone or with a sign. For details see Public Chapter 1009 (Effective June 4, 2010) You can see all the TN Laws at Michie's Legal Resources Weapons laws can be found under Title 39, Chapter 17, Part 13 Attorney General Opinions (Descriptions are those used by the AG, the opinion may contain more specific information) 05-154 Civilian Handgun Permits 07-43 Posting Notices that Handguns Are Not Permitted in Private Buildings 07-148 Tennessee Handgun Carry Permit Laws 08-26 Carrying of Firearms on Public Parks, Playgrounds, Civic Centers and Other Public Recreational Buildings and Grounds 09-30 Off Duty Officers’ Possession and Carrying of Firearms on Board of Regents Campuses 09-99 Issuance of Handgun Carry Permit to Persons Committed or Hospitalized in a Mental Institution 09-106 Information Required for the Renewal of a Handgun Carry Permit 09-118 Validity of Local Ordinance Prohibiting Firearms in Establishment with Beer Permit 09-129 Firearms in Public Parks That Have Athletic Fields That are Also Used by Schools 09-152 Authority of Counties and Municipalities to Prohibit Firearms in Parks Which They Own 09-158 Authorization of County and Municipal Governments to Prohibit Handguns in Parks They Own 09-160 Carrying of Firearms in Parks Being Used by Schools 09-168 Pardoned Felony Drug Offender Prohibited from Possessing or Purchasing Firearms 09-169 Prohibiting Handguns in Jointly Operated Public Parks 09-170 Firearms, Vehicle Towing, Guests, and Security Deposits on Leased Property 09-179 Municipality Required to "Opt-Out" of Handguns in Parks Despite Prior Handgun Prohibition http://www.tn.gov/at...12.32.pdf]12-32[/url] Courtroom Security Here is a list comprised by the Tennessee Firearms Association You can search and see all AG Opinions since 2000 here. Must I notify an officer I am armed? No. However you must show your permit to any Law Enforcement Officer upon demand. Can I openly carry my handgun? Yes. But only as long as you have a valid permit. Self Defense Laws 39-11-611 Self-Defense 39-11-612 Defense of third person. 39-11-614 Protection of property. 39-11-615 Protection of third person's property. 39-11-621 Use of deadly force by private citizen. 39-11-622 Justification for use of force — Exceptions — Immunity from civil liability. 39-17-1322 Defense for use of firearm in self-defense situation in an off-limits place In what other States is my TN HCP Valid? Information on other state's carry laws can be found at Handgunlaw.us TN Recognizes all facially valid out-of-state permits. Additional information Of course many questions may not be answered by a simple reading of the T.C.A. Code or AG Opinion. If you would like more information you can do a TGO search to see if there is a current thread discussing the topic or any other topic. If not feel free to start a new thread. ***** Please remember this information is provided with this Disclaimer ***** Last updated 04/30/12

Yep...it's looking good. Last night was a real test and they passed. Doubt the can go undefeated the whole season, so that first loss will be tough...but looks very good to win the AFC south right now and maybe even a first round bye if things keep going the way they are. I agree Collins is doing well.....not sure if we'd be in the same place with Young at the helm.

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