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If I remember correctly, name, DOB, and address are sufficient. 

[quote name="TrickyNicky" post="1040194" timestamp="1380319734"] I can only assume this is in jest, if so it IS pretty funny thought, if its actually crossed your mind as a legitimate course of action, well, dang. Just dang.[/quote] My actual course of action would be to put up a sign that only a bulldozer could pull up.

Assuming the sign isn't on city right of way, I'd be tempted to chain a few batteries together and wire up that sign. What little hair was left on that cops head would be pointed straight up. 

You'll have much better experiences OCing in Wal-Mart than you will telling about it on this forum...

Definitely screwed up the 1st as well. 

Aww bummer! He wasn't really OCing. Too bad we can't use him as an example of how dangerous OC is. Never let a good tragedy go to waste.    But really, sounds like the wet guy spent a little too much time in the water. Glad nobody else was hurt. 

I would think that the letter of the law, particularly in the case of OC where it's back up by an AG opinion (and the HCP website), is and should be the only standard. If the legislature wanted something else, they should have written it that way.    I may be derailing here, but does anybody have and written proof that the legislature's intent was to only have CC? I read a lot of hear-say, but haven't seen any documentation.

They don't, but it sure hinders county regulation.

Maybe we could get TN to copy the MS preemption law. Local governments cannot regulate the discharge of air guns and shotguns on private property more than 10 acres and more than 150 (I think) feet of an occupied dwelling, or more than 50 acres for center- and rim-fire guns. 

I often keep my pistol in a soft IWB holster wedged between the driver seat and the console in my Ford Escape. It's very secure there, and very easily accessed. 

If that person was not the customer or my employer, I wouldn't really care what he thought. I'd think a former navy man working on a construction site wouldn't be such a wuss. 

I never said the NDers don't get berated. Please re-read my post. I said we don't use the ND's and other accidents as reasons to TELL PEOPLE NOT TO CC. However, the fact that some people bait or unintentionally scare the sheep is used to TELL PEOPLE NOT TO OC. This is the double standard I'm talking about. (Sorry for the caps, Tapatalk doesn't do bold) Those of us who CC generally do a great job of distancing ourselves from the few who make mistakes, and we try to learn from the mistakes of others so we don't make them ourselves. If the same principle of removing the idiots, learning from their mistakes, yet still SUPPORTING THE RESPONSIBLE CARRIERS (bold) would be applied to OC, I would have no problem with that. In fact, I would likely have not even posted I this thread. So in that regard I completely agree with your last paragraph.

I agree completely. Which brings me to another point. We use baiters and scared sheep as reasons to tell people not to OC, but when we hear about ND's and other accidents by CCers on a weekly basis, nobody says we need to stop CCing, nor are all CCers equated with those guys. Honestly, it's a bit of a double standard. With both forms of carry, we need to remove ourselves from the idiots, and carry responsibly and safely so that we cast a good light on all gun owners.

How many people do you think are OCing at any given time in the US? 1,000? 2,000? Every single day. Yet an OC baiting video pops up every few weeks. Heck, if only 1,000 people OC in an entire week, and a whopping 10 baiting videos show up during that time, you're looking at 1% of the OC population. That's a pretty low percentage to judge and entire group by. Personally, I OC (on the few occasions I do) purely for comfort and deterrence. All of the people I have ever personally sen OCing were doing normal things like eating or working. No cameras, no followings, etc. several times I asked friends I was with about it, and they never even noticed the OCers. The normal folks are the ones not causing a scene and tend to get noticed much less.

Kwik's intent is to stir up trouble. I thought this was obvious. The guy who carries with a safely holstered pistol while eating/running errands, shopping with his family etc., is probably not trying to stir up trouble. 

My point is that many gun owners draw an arbitrary line on which expressions of gun rights they support and which ones they don't. Joe Manchin is still considered by many to be pro-2A (general term for pro-gun rights), but most on this board would say that he is not because he supported universal background checks regardless of how he has voted on other issues in the past. In 1934 we lost rights because all gun owners didn't stand for the group that owned SBR's and SOS's. In 1968, we lost more. In 1986, full auto manufacturing was eliminated because most gun owners didn't see the need for full autos. It happened again in 1994. These instances of losing rights did not happen because people exercised their rights to own these types of weapons before the bans. We all agree that thinking so would be out of line. We lost those rights because gun owners did not support all gun rights. If OC is lost because most gun owners didn't care, they will come after CC with more vigor and momentum.

Being a pro-2nd Amendment group of people does not require that we all support your method of carry. It's a nice tactic to try and shame everyone into agreeing with you, but it's been tried before and it doesn't hold water. Not trying to shame, trying to point out the truth of the matter that we have to support each other. I could care less if somebody prefers CC to OC. In fact, I rarely OC in public. But when we stoop to calling other carriers "nimrods" for carrying in a way that's comfortable to them, we are seriously hurting our cause.

So if open carriers are to blame for Cali banning OC, does this mean AR-15 owners and ammo purchasers are to blame in this case? :squint:

  I like how you equate exercising rights with sabotage. That was a nice touch. :sarcasm:   This is the kind of statement that gets out rights taken away one step at a time, when even gun carriers can't support other gun carriers.    Also, deerslayer, your boss is the nimrod, not the OCer.    Seriously guys, stop blaming other gun owners who are going about their daily business. I'm not talking about the Kwik's, I'm talking about the average folks like you and me who happen to stick their shirt on the inside of their firearm. This kind of nonsense is absolutely shameful coming from a "pro-2a" group of people. We stand together or we fall together. Period.

I will answer no questions. 

I often carry my 3" SP101 will hiking. It gives me the most load options from 38 shot for snakes to .357. If not that, I take my FNX-9 with loaded +p+. 

This ^^. According to the AG, if you can tell it's a gun, it's open. We still have to get a permit to conceal though. 

I had an LEO in White Bluff insist that OC was illegal in TN. Not sure if he was truly ignorant or saw my MS carry permit and thought he could convince me it was illegal. I threw my shirt over it and later emailed the chief with a copy of the AG opinion affirming OC's legality, asking him to inform the officer that made the stop.   The other very few interactions have been positive. 

If I knew anybody's life were in imminent danger, and that I could help, and didn't step in, I'm not sure I could live with myself afterwards. 

Seems like I may have been asked one time about the permit process when I was OCing, but I don't OC that often. It tends to get brought up fairly often in my neck of the woods anyway.