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I was only 18 mos old when he walked on the moon, but I remember many of Saturday morning watching stroies on the Moon landing and his name, when I was very young. I also remember the Wax Museum in Gatlinburg use to have his likeness as one of the main draw cards. If you are the main draw card at a wax museum, you must be iconic hero. A true American Hero, a true global hero! I don't think he abused his prominise whatsoever to make millions did he?

Update as promised, seen 23 potentials today, no concealed carry firearms to report, but saw several serious weapons though. While on the lake, saw one boat with serious threats, those ladies were definitely packing heat, but no firearms, very little to imprint with. Earlier in the day, I did see one potential masculin female at the pawn shop, with a high and tight hair doo, had something on a chain, but pretty sure that was a wallet, and not a weapon. BTW she had no imprint whatsoever, the chain caught my attention. Her tag along had some imprints, slightly dangerous though. This was fun, thanks for the seed!

Long day, I assume SPF means "sold pending funds", I was brain dead and googled SPF Acronym, I am sure it doesn't mean squirel proof feeder, does it? http://www.acronymfinder.com/SPF.html

I have never considered looking at men for ccw, but I do admit I have been looking at women concealed carry for close to 30 years. From ankle holsters, to mid sections, up to the peaks. I see lots of imprinting, maybe not too many firearms, but lots imprinting like many dangerous and lethal weapons. I guess I didn't realize I was looking for imprinting (of a firearm). Hey great idea, that is what I will tell my wife the next time I am caught looking at a female in a parcuilar way. I was checking for imprinting of ccw. Now I will not get hit in the arm or get a very serious pinch. Just for this posting, today I will look at as many people (women only) about who I suspect ccw, and I will report out tonight! I am on a mission!

I am a Sig P series scrounger. I scour gun shows and listings for these things just to stay abreast of the real market, and every now and then, I run across what I am looking for. P220 I find the be most plenfiful out there, P229 close 2nd. If its a shooter, no box, likely has houge grips, with normal holster wear, the common asking price is $450 to $500, not sure if this is the true market, but it sure is the asking price market. Like someone else said, its worth what the market will yeild. If you have time and patience on your side, you might get lucky @ $550. If you are needing funds for something else, and do not have weeks to wait, plan on the mid $400s, and if you are really out of time, low $400s. Good luck.

I buy some hogs, and see if the smell can quelch the noise. Its hard to detail cars and shoot autos, with a couple of wallering stinking hogs close by. This actually happened in my family. Have a family member who had a large piece of property in East Tennessee. A subdivison was built next to his property. A well to do New Jersey family moved in ($300K+ type house). Not soon after, they started complaining about everything on his property. Fence row had honey suckels and brush growing up, they wanted it cleared. He only bush hogged once a year, they wanted it kepted like a manicured lawn, I use to ride motorcycle on his property (Yamaha YZ 125), they complained about that, and so on and so on. The complaints were constant and many. Finally, my family member wasn't much of a hog farmer, but was when he was younger, and did acquire some hogs. On this 100 acre property he placed the pen right next to those people's house on his property, the actual pen shared the same fence row that seperated his property from their property. The complainers filed a suit and asked the city to get involved. They actually lived in the city limits, whereas his property was in the county. Nothing could be done, no county ordiance against a 100 acre property for farming purposes, the city had no say so either. No law, no statue, about farming. Eventually the complaints stopped about everything, and eventually (2-3 years) later he removed the hoggs. Thats been some 20+ years ago, I do not believe they have complained about anything since, yes they still live there. The fence row is like it always has been, full of growed up honeysuckels and brush, and the field gets bush hogged 1x a year. What a journey.

My list is emailed to myself and I have a paper copy in my banks lock box.

This incigator is probably going to write a term paper or is a newspaper writer, and has an assignment. No one should have took the bait, because now this person can show how those ecentric gun loving freaks react about a ban! Sometimes its better to outsmart these folks! No bite! Just ignore, ban and move on for what this site is meant to be. Guns, nothing but guns (oh, just maybe a few other interests too).

Rented the movie yesterday from Redbox. Excellent movie. Now to add to my DVD collection. Wished I had seen at the big screen.

I am a proud to admit I am 30+ year lowballer on most everything I buy. Graycait, you need to add 2C. Some people might just lowball for the "art" of negotiating, the win, the kill, the goal, etc. I rarely ever buy to sell to make a profit. I rarely sell anything, maybe I could be called a hoarder to some (my wife thinks so). I buy out of sure "I want it" or my new term in the past 10 years, "just in case". For me its a top 10 thing that I enjoy, buy the lowest I possibly can period. If you don't low ball, you will never know how desperate the buyer is. Any insults from the buyer, is always taken as a grain of salt, but actually is very useful to shake or rattle someone in order to negotiate to the buyer's favor. While I am typing this post, have you ever been tagged team before in negotiations? Meaning, once I lowballed a guy on something from the bargain mart or craigslist, of course he was mad and refused. A couple of hours later, I had a buddy to call this guy, offered him a similar low ball, he refused. Later, I called the guy back, offered him slightly very slightly more than the low ball, he took it. He mumbled he over estimated the market, too many people asking similiar pricing. Score. Business is business.

Some guys and I at the work lunch table, speculated months ago this guy will be picked. The Republican camp needs a young good looking, but smart this time, running mate, and who is not polarizing. I would have preferred Ms. Condi, but I won the cash pool on who I thought the R camp would pick. I wander if Mr. Ryan can see the Russians from Wisconsin? FYI here is his offical congressional web page: http://paulryan.house.gov/ Love Sarah, but the republicans did not have a good vetting process in '08. Hope they learned a lesson!

All right, I was sold when I read about the THP thread switching to 357 Sig about a month ago. This is why I sometimes hate these forums. They cost me a lot of money. I was perfectly alright managing 9mm, 40 and 45 Auto inventories. Anyway, been scouring ebay, gunbroker and just about all of the big name internet dealers for a used or reasonable Sig P229 357 Sig barrel. Lost several on ebay, just couldn't bid $150 for a used barrel, and $200 for a new one. I am cheap sometimes. Anyway, just got lucky, and found one on Numerich Gun Parts web site for $99. It arrived today, i\ts 100% OEM. Worn though, with many smilees. Anyway, now I am wanting to go shoot. I guess Wally doesn't stock this ammo. I probably will place an order for 200 rounds FMJ and 50 rounds gold dot in the next few days, but I can't wait till then to go shoot. Are there any local (Knoxville - Maryville) stores that have reasonable FMJ 357 Sig ammo prices, around $0.34 round or $17-$20 box?

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I have a couple of my on stories to contribute. Story1 Mid 90s, when I was a dealer, I use to make rounds to Pawn Stores for good used guns. Pawn guys will give big breaks if you buy 5, 6 or 10 guns at once. Anyway, stopped at a Pawn Shop in Newport. A not your typcial gun was on the rack, a Remington 700 BDL 30-06. Asking price was $300, I negotiated it down to $250, and took it my shop. A week later, a gentlemen came in to my store, looked at the gun, and wanted to place a down payment on it. About 2 hours later, he returned with the Police. Police confirmed the rifle had been stolen from Cherokee county NC, and the man who paid the down payment was the owner. I gladly turned over the gun and showed the police officer my receipt from the Pawn. The next day, I went directly to the Newport Police Dept., explained the situation, and we both went to the Pawn Shop. Owner gladly refunded my money, and explained he had only had the gun <24 hours when I bought it. I believe for a pawned item, he has to keep it for 21 days, but for a direct purchase, I believe he can sell it immediately, not 100% sure. Story 2 I had about 7 guns stolen from my gun shop back ~1995, 1 cheap FMJ double barrel shotgun, 3 new Chinese SKS rifles and 3 new Russian SKS rifles. I had serial numbers on all these guns. In 17 years, I had 2 guns to resurface, and are held by the police till this day. Both agencies contacted the original police dept. that filed the report, in turn they contacted me. Knoxville City was one. They recovered the cheap FMJ, and it has been one huge headache to get any where with them. They will not return your call. Then what do you do? I made over 10+ attempts, and just finally gave up since the gun is not worth anything. That was 5 years ago. Earlier this year, I tried one more time, and I did get an email, but that was about it. The gun just isn't worth the hassle. The other agency when I contacted them, they denied having recovered any gun. I gave them my name, the makes and models of the guns that I had stolen, and I quickly got nope can't help you. I didn't press, what do you do? I hope to recover those SKS rifles in time, or at lest one. The Chinese ones I remember I paid $29 each wholesale, and the Russians I remember paying $59 each wholesale. I believe today, the Chinese rifles are worth $350 retail, and Russians are worth $450 retail. So my loss of $300 would be worth ~$2,500 today. Just one, would pay for my loss.

Since I played earlier today, I will be the huckleberry again. According to ATF, you can only acquire or take possession of a firearm from a non-FFL in your state of residence period [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922((3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]. If you are a Florida resident, and desire to take possession of a firearm (long gun) out of state, you may only acquire from a FFL and in accorance to Florida state laws, 790.28., i.e. you may only take possessions from a Florida FFL, Georgia FFL, and Alabama FFL. To help better explain, here are some examples: Example 1 Florida resident visiting Tennessee, finds a long gun in Tennessee from a private individual. According to federal laws, the buyer can not acquire (take possession) of this gun in Tennessee. The only choice the buyer has is for the private individual (seller) to deliver the long gun to a FFL in FL, GA, or AL. From what I am reading there is no other way. I see nothing that states the seller must sell the gun to a FFL. Acquire I believe means to take possession, not purchase. So you can still pay the private individual individually, but you can not take possession of the firearm in Tennessee. Purchase and acquire have different meanings. Example 2 Florida resident visiting Tennessee, finds a long gun in a local gun shop (FFL), Fla resident can purchase the gun, but can not take possession in Tenneessee. The Florida resident must make arrangement for the long gun to ship direclty from the Tennessee FFL to either a FFL in FL, GA, or AL. There the buyer can take possession as per Florida State law. Example 3 Florida resident visiting Georgia, like example 1, finds a long gun from a private individual. Like the case of Tennessee, he can not take possession from the individual. The seller must deliver it to a FFL in GA, AL or FL, then the buyer can take possession from the FFL.

Condolesences go out to the victims and familes. I believe the country was already ripe with possible new gun laws post Colorado, now this 2-3 weeks later, for sure someone will try to change the laws.

I stand corrected, and I agree for a "PRIVATE" sale, duh the topic heading. I found this on ATF's web site for a Private Sale: A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee’s premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes. [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922((3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30] Here is the actual ATF link: http://www.atf.gov/f...icensed-acquire

I am a fan of local credit unions. I would start there, and like any other significant purchase, I would have 3 to work with in order to keep leverage for negotiations purposes. In the end, you will likely be sold to other mortgage companies, so it really does not matter who you choose on the front end. So just choose based upon the numbers. FYI - I have refianced 3 times in 12 years, and considering refinancing again due to the current rates. As long as you are informed on all costs associated with a mortgage, and know how and when to negotiate, you can save money. Not much you can do on the actual rate, that is not the negotiation (you should try though), focus your time and energy on all of the closing costs, i.e. inspection fee, title company fee, actual lender points, application fee, approver fee, sit at my desk fee, etc. That is where most of the money is made by the local lender's office. The money made on the loan is either investors from afar or the U.S. gov. (Fanny mae/mac stuff). Just remember, if your credit score is good, you have serious leverage, don't be afraid to flex it, just do not leave your money on the table. Most people go with a lender they heard of, see the rate, and just go with the flow. I have negotiated as much $700 out of the closing costs before on a $100K loan and if I had not been informed, this is money just left on the table. If it wasn't for the negotiation, that same $700 will morph into $1,032 @ 3% over 30 years if I had not negotiated and had just rolled the money into the loan. I have really frustrated loan officers from car loans, boat loans, mortgages and refinancing. I have had several tell me they have to check with their boss when I said I am ready to walk unless they negotiate on a line item. Absolutely no different from buying a car / gun. Loan officers just are not that accustomed! Good luck!

I found this through the ATF website that took me to the Florida state gun laws: 790.28. Purchase of rifles and shotguns in contiguous states A resident of this state may purchase a rifle or shotgun in any state contig-uous to this state if he or she conforms to applic-able laws and regulations of the United States, of the state where the purchase is made, and of this state. Bascially, ATF states its a State right to decide if certain citizens can buy from other states. I know at my local Wally, above the glass case for guns, it shows a map of the U.S. with states colored green and red. Green states can buy long guns (green states) from this store, and red states can not. About 1/2 the country can buy there. I can not recall Florida, but according to the Florida's law, you can only buy from contiguous states. Just in case you do not know what contiguous means: Contiguous: adj. 1. Sharing an edge or boundary; touching. 2. Neighboring; adjacent. 3. a. Connecting without a break: the 48 contiguous states. b. Connected in time; uninterrupted: served two contiguous terms in office. References for the above ATF http://www.atf.gov/p...tion/index.html sccroll down, right side under chapters for individual state laws. Actual Florida law http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-5-2011/atf-p-5300-5-florida-2011.pdf page #7 of the PDF. Dictionary for contiguous: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/contiguous

Just curious, I am not that familiar to the nth detail when the U.S. came off of the gold standard, could it go back on it, i.e. emergency executive order? I would assume a hail mary play in the playbook by the government, with the collapse of the paper money system, it could go back on the gold standard to sure up the government, so as to pay military and police to enforce martial law. Maybe a new U.S. currency so as to distinguish it from historical U.S. currency. I do believe the U.S. goverment still owns the largest stock pile of gold of any nation. Regardless of currency, this has to be worth something. I know for decades, gold was around $30 an ounce, I know today its around $1,700 an ounce. I would assume basic supply and demand principals for gold really has not changed, only the devalue of the currency is all that has changed. Thus, gold is steady, only the devalue of cash as increased giving a illusion gold is going up in value, in fact, it has not. To provde my theory, I recently compared US dollar vs. gold, and Japanese Yen vs. gold, tremendous differences in the curve. Japan is known to have had a more stable economony over the past 5 years, vs. the U.S.

Under martial law, who would enforce? Would these be voluneeters receiving no compsenation since the money collapsed? If the money collapses, will military and policemen continue work for $0 per hour? For that fact, would the local utility workers continue to work for $0 per hour? Just a thought. Would radio, television and other forms of media, would they continue to work for nothing?

Anyone have a listing of the auction items?

I dabble in used items from time to time, and yes, I low ball. I don't expect to buy it at the low price, Its a starting point as a buyer, and like my dad taught me many years ago, you never know until you ask. I have a basic principal regardless of the value of an item, if the seller is selling something, he/she must negotiate. I always walk if they don't. BTW its never the value of something that drives the actual selling price, its the willingness of the seller to let go his/her item at a price, finding that lowest point of the willingness to sell by the seller is the art of negotiating, that is the thrill for me. Looking back over the years, I rarely have purchased an item at the low ball price, but many times it sure does skew the curve to meet in the middle. At the end of the day, business is business, buy low sell high, and cash is king. Seller can always say no!

How do you know this was legite? Maybe this was a test to see if you had a bonafide security system? Maybe his job was to get inside and scope the place? This sounds very odd! I would report it. If you get broke into in the next few days, I would expect this is related.

Right or wrong, this case will never see a trial. There likely will be settlement, and a gag order, and we will never here about this again. Read the book on Gaston Glock. There were many lawsuits in the early days, and they had on staff attorneys that their purpose in the company was this sort of thing. Just make it go away without too much publicity. So the dad will likely get $100K, his attorney $40K, and the net will be $60K. No admission of liabilty by Glock. By the way if he is succesful with a settlement, his health care insurance could come after him for recovery of his medical expenses even if no trial. I have heard of that before. This is sad, just life and our great tort system. This sort of stuff goes on all the time, most of it never makes it to the media.