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Those are good JustAGuy! Me just some white wine tonight. Nothing special.

Why is it Mark@Sea has all the neat toys?

Are you REALLY sure Wayne is a friend? I miss that place! It's a great range. Sadly I no longer work in Sevierville. I'm out near the PRoF (People's Republic of Farragut) now. It's a little closer to home, but the drive time is the same and by the time I get to work, I REALLY need a gun range! The drive over to Sevierville was much calmer and nicer!

During the Iranian Hostage Crisis, didn't the plan for the aborted rescue operation call for a landing of C-130's on a carrier on the way out?

Really bad joke KarlS. But I understand what you mean. I'm not a master of the recurve either. However all it takes is practice just like shooting. It would probably make sense to not only learn how to shoot them but to get totally into them to the point if you had to, make your on bow and arrows. You would never be unarmed after that. The reason I bring all this up is not to replace firearms, but to rather to save firearms for a defensive role instead of hunting/defensive role. Firearms are loud, by nature and may draw unwanted attention to the user in a survival situation. Primitive weapons offer a silent alternative for the hunting role. Besides bows there are also slings, spears, and throwing sticks. I've seen Survivor Man use a throwing stick to bring down a rabbit. All that said trapping is the way to go in order to supply fresh meat for the table. Not to mention fur for coats and leather for shirts and breeches. But other primitive weapons also have their place. A good flintlock rifle might be a part of your gear, if you can make powder or lead balls.

Remington 521 Junior Match that had been bastardized. Traded some ammo for it. Scoped it and it's a tack driver. Squirrels hat this rifle! My Uncle gave my son a Marlin Model 80 that is also a tack driver. I had my doubts when we got it. The bluing is all brown The stock was all beat up the trigger mechanism was all gunked up along with the bolt and it had no magazine. Another uncle had got it in trade off an old drunk that lived behind a garage he worked at. He got it sometime back in the early sixties for a bottle of MD2020 or whatever passed for it at the time. I got on Gunbroker and ordered a new magazine from a fella down in Mississippi. I spent all of one Sunday afternoon cleaning this"trash" gun up. Then we took it over to the range. With the iron sites, I was shooting quarter sized groups at 50 yards with it. It still doesn't look like much, but it sure does shoot good! To the guy that got the Nylon 77 for $25 at a garage sale, WHAT A DEAL! Trash ones go for well over a $100 and great ones are over $350!

Weapons and such are nice, but food and water are the basis for all survival. That must be the big Number one most important thing. Not only must you have both, but you must have the means to keep both in steady supply, throughout a crisis. After that, some sort of shelter is the next most important thing. Shelter provides protection from the elements, animals, and if possible from other men. Health, medicine and first aid come next. Cleanliness is next to godliness. Disease and infections will kill you faster than just about anything. Transportation is pretty important too, for hunting, gathering and scavenging. Something we haven't really talked about is scavenging. Weapons are probably about last on the least. While on weapons, as far as hunting goes, has anyone thought of going primative. In other words using bows and arrows, spears and such. Does anyone know how to make such weapons? Might be a good trick to learn and to use. Just a thought.

Sun, where did you find that beauty at?

That's not good! I have an older Stoeger Condor that is a great shooter! I hope this is a not a reoccuring problem. It was something I had my eye on. Not that I could afford it at the moment.

Alex Jones is not a good source. He's just out to make a buck and he'll say anything to do it. I heard him make the 9/11 comment on a late night radio show I listen to on occasion. He lost all credibility right then.

Hard to beat the 870. Mossberg is a very close second.

Ah Jody! The nemesis of all soldiers everywhere. Well in this case it's Poak! Have a safe and uneventful plane ride back! And if Poak's at your house when you get there, give him some of this!

My son has an old Marlin Bolt that I would put against any other plinker out there. Marlin makes good rifles IMHO. Don't get me wrong though. So does Ruger. But that extra $100 you will pay for it would purchase just about all the .22 ammo you'd ever care to shoot.

Thanks, but no thanks. Have a friend of mine that actually lives in your neck of the woods, that flipped one. Lucky for him he landed between two large rocks and the quad ended up on the rocks above him. He was up at Windrock at the time. I don't mess with them. My lucks not that good. If your selling everything off for hookers and blow, I'd move to another city first. The pictures I've seen of the hookers in this town leave much to be desired.

Sounds like a plan, Mike. Huh, could you forward me your address, so I can put you on my map. I'll want to come by and pick up your stuff after wards.

Nice! How does it shoot?

I agree with that mostly OS. But I think a lot of the bad customers would try to get out along with a lot of the smart ones. The dumb ones that drink the party koolaid would be the ones that end up dieing in place. Smart and bad could actually be a bad combo. Smart and bad could mean Very Evil. It would not be a fun place to live in.

Dang! I'm jealous! Great deal!

I've known several people that have owned them and never spoke badly of them. I'd love to have one myself with a 4" barrel.

With all that weaponry and ammo, where did you put your lunch?

Zombies is what they made the Remy 870 for! Chug, CHINK, BOOM!

To0 many large metropolitan areas in the North East to make any place there viable for survival. Canada could be an option except a large part of the Canadian population leaves in the east too. Western Canada would be better to go to. Unfortunately Canada isn't very friendly to our kind. They don't like firearms there.

The problem with East Tennessee is there are a lot people that live here. Of the three Grand Divisions of the state, East Tennessee has the largest population. The other thing about East Tennessee is you have a large chunk of land that is mountainous and it's much harder to live comfortably there. Therefore the population centers around the Tennessee Valley. Places not to be would be California, Eastern Texas, the Northeast, the Eastern Seaboard from Florida to Maine, the Mid-West and Georgia. If we are talking about a REAL disaster, any large city is going to become a death zone real quick. Katrina proved that. Imagine a Katrina type disaster hitting the whole country. The power grid goes down. Running water is cut off after the backup generators start to fail. The Government will not be able to handle it and will breakdown fairly quickly. People will start to loot, stealing everything they can. Medicines will become hard to get. People that need certain medicines to survive will die (Insulin come to mind). Almost overnight food supplies will diminish and then vanish all together in the cities. People are going to start moving out of those cities as soon as food becomes unavailable. They will move along the paths of least resistance (Think the interstate system). They will move along those routes first. Smaller cities and towns along Interstates will become the next death zones as food dwindles there as well because of refugees. There will be mass starvation everywhere. People will begin fighting. If you want to truly be safe your best bet is to move where there are not a lot of people and there is no easy access from the major urban population centers. In my mind the best place to survive would be somewhere where there are not a lot of people that you are potentially having to fight for resources. With that in mind, I'd think Alaska, New Mexico, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, North and South Dakota and the upper peninsula of Michigan would be the places you probably would want to be. I'm not sure we'd be all that safe in Tennessee. We have four large metropolitan centers here, Memphis, Nashville, Chattanooga and Knoxville. Where are all those people going to go when it gets bad? right out into the country. Not sure how friendly those of us in the south, are going to be to refugees when we probably will need everything we have just to feed our own families. I think it would get ugly real quick.

I wouldn't mind owning a Blackhawk in 30 carbine. I think that'd make a great rifle/pistol combo!

As long as you have a comfortable holster that's concealable, I don't see a problem with it.