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[quote name='TMF' timestamp='1353248138' post='847561'] No one is disputing that. The point is, to shut off all business to anyone who voted for a different candidate is a stupid business move and is pretty childish to boot. [/quote] My guess is his business has done very well since putting up the sign.

I was not saying that selling to an Obama supporter is bad business. I have met some folks over the years that I know would be more trouble than they are worth and have choosen not to do business with that person. It's the fact that as a free person I can make the call not to offer my services to someone regardless of the reason.

[size=4][color=#001320][font=Arial]As a business owner I often choose not to offer our services to some people. That is what is great about living in a free country. We can still choose not to do business with someone. We usually are refusing to buy from someone but it is also refusing to sell to someone. Over the years I have learned a lesson. Bad business is worse than no business. We do not have to subject ourselves to people we do not want to associate with. At the same time no Obama voter has to shop with these guys. It’s still a free country go somewhere else. [/font][/color][/size]

Gotta love these guys. [url="http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/17/arizona-gun-shop-tells-obama-voters-to-turn-around-and-leave-because-they-arent-responsible/"]http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/17/arizona-gun-shop-tells-obama-voters-to-turn-around-and-leave-because-they-arent-responsible/[/url]

[size=5]The message of this election should have been “it’s the economy stupid” By making a few dumb comments, and letting your enemies control the debates the message was lost never to be seen again. (Remember the debate moderators. The country is on fire and they want to know about gay marriage) the margin of error for Rebubs is little to none. Any mistake or misspoken word is major news while Biden cannot keep is foot out of his month with no coverage at all. All Rebubs response to the abortion issue should have been “I have the same position as the President”, thus removing it from the debate. By allowing the major issues to be social they lost the fiscal responsibility edge that should have led to an over whelming win.[/size]

[quote name='OhShoot' timestamp='1352483471' post='842550'] Fair disclosure, that joke has been around for a good while. - OS [/quote] [size=4][color=#222222][font=Arial]Seemed like an appropriate time to bring it back out.[/font][/color][/size][color=#222222][font=Arial][size=1][/size][/font][/color]

[size=4][font=Times New Roman][color=#000099]Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel , "Pick up your shovels, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land". [/color][/font] [font=Times New Roman][color=#000099]Nearly 75 years ago, (when Welfare was introduced) Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a Camel, this is the Promised Land."[/color][/font] [color=#000099][font=Times New Roman]Today, Congress has stolen your shovel, taxed your asses, raised the price of Camels and mortgaged the Promised Land! I was so depressed last night thinking about Health Care Plans, the economy, the wars, lost jobs, savings, Social Security, retirement funds, etc .... I called a Suicide Hotline. I had to press 1 for English. I was connected to a call center in Pakistan. I told them I was suicidal. [/font] [b][font=Times New Roman]They got excited and asked if I could drive a truck......[/font][/b][/color] [font=Times New Roman][color=#000000][b][font=Times New Roman]Folks, we're screwed[/font][/b][/color][/font][/size]

[quote name='kesava' timestamp='1352318733' post='841253'] You're a very sad example of an individual to assume that I can't articulate myself or support my stance because my response wasn't within the time frame your expected. I would challenge you in a game of wit, but clearly you're unarmed. [/quote] After reading your posts I am reminded of and old proverb. " sometimes it is best to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

[quote name='Dolomite_supafly' timestamp='1352157006' post='839597'] What has happened is that it was given out to some, those who really needed it. And it slowly went from the poor needy people who are actually in need to those who don't need it but just want it and are willing to lie to get it. It is the entitlement generation that believes they are entitled to the prosperity of those who worked hard before them. I have actually heard one of them say that someone else worked really hard so they didn't have to. There are several things that need to be done to weed out the fat. First, require them to take a drug test when they apply and then at least once annually. If you are so poor you need public money then the public has a right to ensure that money is not supporting illegal activities. 1st offense you lose the funds for one month. Next time is six months. A third time would remove you from the rolls indefinitely. Second, they need to require them to perform some sort of public service. I know our highways could use a good cleaning of litter. Paint or clean up buildings or empty lots in their neighborhoods. Or maybe answer the phone of a government office to answer the most common question of all "Are you open". Third, publish a by name list of those who receive public assistance. Nothing more than a name and the town in which they live. People should be embarrased to receive public money in lieu of working. Fourth, get rid of the automatic renewal system. Make the recipients come down to have their cards refilled and maybe take a drug test. And remove the ability to get unhealthy foods when using public funds. I was in a fast food restaurant the other day that accepted EBT cards. Fifth, set a lifetime limit of say 4 years. That is you can only receive 48 months of public assistance during your life. If you choose to use it while you are 18-22 then you can never get it again. Everyone gets to a point in their life in which they could apply for governement assistance. And that is what it is for and not for those who receive it their entire lives and enver work. And finally, require an ID proving citizenship in order to receive anything. If you are not here legally you get NOTHING. Dolomite [/quote] [size=4][font=Times New Roman][color=#000000]I think the major problem with the way government is currently set up is it operates upside down. Saving money and operating efficiently is not only discouraged but not expected and punished. The higher your budget the more power you have. If you create red tape to increase cost and raise expenses you get a budget increase and more people groveling at your feet i.e. power. Increasing the people receiving the benefits is job security. The more you spend the more you get to spend. That is upside down from the way it should be. Until our government employees become motivated to save our money it will continue to get worse. We can raise the standards, make it harder to get the freebies but until those giving out the benefits become motivated not to waste our money they will continue to slip people through that should not be.[/color][/font] [color=#000000][font=Times New Roman]These agencies should be rewarded as much for what the do not spend as they currently get for spending it all and more. Surely someone can come up with a compensation package that would encourage our government agencies to operate more efficiently and still allow those that need a service to get it. [/font][/color][/size]

Ultimately our elected members of congress will vote along party lines on major bills. Voting for the person not the party sounds good but will usually mean the party with the most members will have enough votes to pass the big bills. I have struggled with this with the RINOS. The Tea Party putting the heat on the RINOS with primary challengers have really helped a lot. I think it is best to change the party that is closest to your values for the better rather than to abandon them for a third party that may leave the party further from your values in power. What would our country look like if Ross Perot had not taken a bunch of votes from George Bush Sr. We would not have had Bill Clinton for 8 years, I was no fan of Sr. but his values where much closer to mine than Clintons. Ross Perot left no lasting movement that has grown stronger over the years. He was not the beginning of anything, all he did was assist Bill Clinton to the win.

http://dailycaller.c...remington-arms/ Gotta get me one of these.

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Thomas Road Baptist Church claims to have helped many people leave the Gay lifestyle. Granted I took their word for it, why lie about such a thing. Maybe I should make them prove it to me. Granted I do not know the answer to these questions but maybe others have and idea. If a person is attracted to the same sex are they never attracted to the opposite sex? If a person is in a same sex relationship does that mean there is nobody of the opposite sex that can fulfill their needs in the same way? I know someone that had a hard time dating women he finally got married and a week later she divorced him. The experience was so bad he gave up trying to find a woman and now lives a gay lifestyle. I new this guy well and I do not believe he was always gay. I will not give his name out so those that do not believe this will just have to take my word for or do not believe it. I can see that some people have tendencies one way or the other I can also see that some because of things that happened in their life have made the choice. The point originally of the post was that there are so few gays why make such a big deal out of things they want when so few are affected. My point was that if all gays have no choice about it they should be offered the same opportunities everybody else has. If it is a life style choice then I do not think they should be offered the same opportunities. Many times you hear equating the gay movement with the civil rights movement and the woman’s movement. I do not see the correlation of those movements if many gays have chosen that life as compared to being born that way

I was not trying to prove anything, believe or do not believe what you want.

If I told you there are some larger Churches that offer not only services that help people that want to get out of a gay lifestyle but also help with other issues like sex addiction, drug addiction and devorce recovery how much info do I need to supply to reach the "accepted standard". Do you want the names of the Churches, leadership of the ministry? What could I tell you that would make you believe me. If I read something I do not know if it is true or not, then I research it myself before running my month about it. I would perfer you not to take my word for it, find out for yourself.

You want to know look it up.

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I am not trying to convince you of anything. I have met guys before that seemed like they would be gay that turned out not to be, girly as you said. I have also met manly men that turned out to be gay so making that determination by the way one acts does not seem to be a good way to determine things.

A person cannot help the way they were born, being born a man or a woman or being born black or white. If I have no choice about "being right or left handed" is a big difference than choosing a certain lifestyle. You certainly have the freedom to make that choice but do not blame it on genetics as most do.

Then it would appear to be more of a lifstyle choice than the way they they were born.

Help me please, if as some say being gay is normal for them or they were born that way then what about all the ex gays that are no longer living the gay lifestyle and are now living the hetro lifestyle. Did they change, we're they living a lie, are they still gay and living a lie now? There are organizations out there that have helped thousands of people leave the gay lifestyle. How can this be?

My experience is that most cops are more dishonest than the people they arrest and would tell any lie to secure a convection. Always have your attorney present when talking to the police. No matter how innocent you are.

I have been self employed for almost 20 years and I deal with other business owners every day. Some have some success others do not. Many people are happy with a job that pays regularly and has a fixed set of hours. There is nothing wrong with that. Others like me are more driven and more willing to take the risk that comes with owning your own business. I have never met someone that was successful that did not sacrifice a lot to get there. I answer my phone from 7am to 11pm. It goes with me to the beach to the bathroom to dinner and everywhere else I go. The wealthiest person I know who is also the hardest working person I ever met explained to me like this. Everybody sees my lifestyle now and wants what I have, but they did not see the times I went without pay and the times I had to get my daughters piggy bank to make payroll. When you own a business everybody else gets paid first and if there is anything left you can keep some or as in most cases reinvest in your business with the hope of a greater return. I look at the taxes I have to pay every month (payroll and income) and it is the least productive money I spend. I sometimes wonder what I would do if I could keep some of that money. Donating it to the government to waste is a crying shame.

Republicans can not get away with cheating because the liberal press would leave no stone unturned to discover it where as they dismiss the Dems cheating as normal. The problem with things as I see it is we have a ruling class now in Washington. They make rules that the rest of us have to abide by and exempt or ignore themselves from those same rules. Why did our elected leaders exempt themselves from Obama care, forced Social Security payments? Why if they serve one term do they get paid for life and free (to them) medical care? The last time I was in D.C. they even had their own lane to drive in so they would not be bothered by the traffic the rest of us had to endure. Would we look at laws differently if we new everybody else had to abide by them except us, and the only way we could continue to get away with this is to get reelected? This is not a Democrat or Republican problem, though at this time the Democrats seem to be worse. Our elected leaders should have to live by the same laws they force on everybody else, this has been brought up by a couple of Republicans lately with no support from the real powers to be. (in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. syn- socialism

My first remembrance (many years ago) of gun instruction was "never pull a gun on someone unless you are going to use it and never use it unless you intend to kill the person" the thought was you do not want the shoote to be a witness in court against you, claiming they had no intention of causing you harm. I guess that reminds me of another old saying ' I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. There is always a chance that a DA will choose to prosecute regardless of the circumstances. Good lawyers are expensive and most of us do not have the ability to hire the best. I personally would mortgage my home and sell everything of any value to hire the best attorneys possible.