robbiev

Essentially, those are the basics. You have a right under TN law to use force to stop the person, but not deadly force unless he is using deadly force against you. "Stuff" being worth a person's life is a matter of opinion, but essentially TN law sees a person's life as always more important than any things.

Pointing a gun at someone is deadly force, under any definition that I am aware of. You cannot legally use deadly force to stop a property crime. You can only use deadly force against deadly force, at least in TN. According to state law (will have to find the exact TCA reference and post it) you can use "force, but not deadly force" to protect against property crimes. Having said this, it does not mean you will be charged, it just means you can be. That is up to the local DA based on the police reports.

I tend to agree with Fallguy (for whatever that's worth). "Authorized" is a little ambiguous. I'd say it means whatever THEY say it means, but the sign doesn't seem to be legally binding.

I agree with what I think your point is. The difference is, I doubt anyone would care if you came onto the property while off duty with earrings or hairstyles that violate company policy. If someone came onto the property with a gun (and got caught)...they would probably make a case out of it.

My standard answer is, "Nothing illegal." It's never caused a problem. That said, I don't travel to Illinois.

to answer the OP question: No, there is not a knife carry permit in TN, and yes, the TN HCP applies only to handguns.

I found this while searching for the story listed above. 3 teenage girls charged in home invasion - 21 News Now, More Local News for Youngstown, Ohio - YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio - Three teenage girls, two of them just 15-years-old, were arrested for a home invasion where authorities say they stole jewelry and cash while the 85-year-old victim was actually inside the home.

If you renew by mail, you get a confirmation letter. The letter is good for only 90 days. Don't know about the receipt from the state. I've never renewed that way.

I worked security for a company in Collierville where it was standard procedure to stop at the security gate and open the trunk so security could verify you weren't leaving with product (soft drinks). I personally never conducted a search beyond simply looking in, but a senior manager was fired while I worked there for refusing a search by one of the other guards.

I'm not sure, but I think "force" and "deadly force" are defined as two distinctly different things in TN law. There is another section that makes a statement something like, "...is authorized to use force, but not deadly force..." At the moment, I don't have time to look it up, but I'll find it later.

Oh, come on. We know the newspaper story would be, "Crazed permit holder shoots armed citizen who never even drew his gun."

I can't speak for other shops, but the shops that I'm familiar with (places where I've worked or was associated with) there's much more room for negotiating on a used gun. If a shop has competitive prices, they probably aren't making much on a new gun. That said however, I'd think that a shop selling Glock 34s for $699 should be making a pretty good margin. Our price is $80 less than that, and we have a little room to negotiate even then. As to the OP, he didn't really ask, but the MSRP on the 34 is only $679 according to two different distributors I just checked, so they appear to be selling it for more than MSRP. I didn't think that happened much with non-collectable stuff. I might consider that if I can get a good enough deal.

It's also possible that it can be something simple like a pending traffic ticket. If the TBI sees a pending court date, they don't check to see what it is, they just (sometimes) deny, then they check into it after you send the appeal. We have had that happen several times.

I'm not sure about the exact legalities, but I think "No illegal weapons allowed" or "Illegal weapons are banned on this property" would be a good company policy.

You are my new hero.

This is correct regarding Washington State. I had a Utah, Florida, and a couple of other states' non-resident permits, and as of a few years ago, the TN permit became valid in every state that the other permits were. I let my other states permits expire because of that, and Utah, because I'm not travelling to Washington any time in the forseeable future. As far as the open carry question, without going into it here, you can search and probably find several other threads on open carry on this forum.

Not arguing with you in any way...but one of our local ATF agents told us they didn't care who paid for it as long as someone wasn't buying it for another person who couldn't buy it. HOWEVER, he may have simply been speaking colloquially and not by the letter of the law.

"Better" is subjective. Since it is perfectly legal to purchase a gun as a legitimate gift, it is not better legally. Some people want the peace of mind that the person who owns the gun passed a background check, because they have the impression that doing that lets them off the hook legally, or, many people are under the impression that there MUST be a paper trail proving they gave the gun to the other person, so they think it's better to do it that way. SIDE NOTE: "Straw purchase" is generally defined as purchasing an item for a person who does qualify to purchase the item himself. It has nothing to do, strictly speaking, with who pays for the item.

Curious: What was wrong with it? I had one several years ago that I fired a thousand or more rounds through and never had a problem.

Some gun stores won't run a check for free, even though it doesn't cost them anything. Some places (maybe most, but I don't know) will want to process it as a transfer, then charge you some sort of transfer free, so I would check before going in. There's one particular store in my area that won't do anything for free, even including looking up a past sale for a customer, and they charge a minimum of a $100 transfer fee.

Understood, but the post I was replying to may have (and I'm saying MAY) implied or it may could be inferred that he was saying we should boycott every company that has these policies. While that sounds good in theory, I don't thinks it very feasible.

I agree with that in concept, but is it actually logistically feasable to boycott every single company that has a no gun policy? And I'm actually seriously asking the quesiton. I don't know of any major company that doesn't have a no guns or no weapons policy of some kind, especially for its employees. If we actually boycotted every single one of those, it would make it a little difficult to buy gas, food, or much of anything else.

Very true. For that matter, most companies have a similar policy. I've worked a bunch of different jobs in my life, both full time and part time, retail and other, and I've never worked anywhere that didn't have a no guns policy.

One book that I recommend is Principles of Self Defense by Jeff Cooper (I'm pretty sure that's the one, but I'm not at home or I could be sure). ETA: Yes, that's it. It's not actually about guns, but it's got some really good principles in it and it's a fairly short read.

I don't know enough about it, but I would guess (based on nothing other than my guess) that if the letter doesn't outright say anything incorrect, but instead only tends to imply something that isn't correct, could that be proven to be fraud? Anyway, to the other question, I'm not sure, because this was a while ago, but I believe it was the TN Restaurant Assoc. I know that a while back I saw an article on the news and if I remember correctly, they said the TN Restaurant Assoc was having some signs printed to mail to their members.