DaveTN

This won't end well.....

There has been much discussion here on this subject, but I can’t find the threads now. Anyone…. Whether it be a Judge, Attorney, cop, or internet poster that tells you to refuse a request to search, or the cops need a warrant to serach your car without knowing the circumstances; is a simpleton. From the time those lights come on behind you to the time the traffic stop is over EVERYTHING you say and do could have consequences. Sure they can tell you…“Don’t allow a search, and don’t make a statementâ€. Are they going to be helping you get into College or get a security clearance with an arrest record? I’m guessin’… no. I’ve searched and impounded hundreds of cars without a warrant. Be educated. If you want to know what is going to happen on a traffic stop; ask a cop not an attorney (Preferably a cop in the area in question). If you want to know what s going to happen in court ask an attorney or a judge.

RIF Go back and read what you quoted me as saying and let us all know where in any part of that I said I should be allowed to carry a gun into a gun show. It is unlawful for 97% of the population of this state to carry a firearm. What part of either Constitution do you want me to read? What part of either Constitution are you claiming gives you a right to possess a firearm anywhere off your property?

Then you might want to check out a .308. That would be DPMS and Hero Gear has them for less than your budget.

I have asked this question before and I am not sure I have ever got a good answer. This is a question to guys that know Tennessee law; not an argument. As a Police Officer in Illinois there was no “On-duty†or “Off-duty†when it came to firearms or Police Powers. City and County jurisdictions were more a courtesy than the law. Our (sworn Police Officers) jurisdictions were the borders of the state. To be a Police Officer in Illinois, whether it be a City Police Officer, County Deputy, or a State Trooper; you had to be certified by the state as a sworn Police Officer. This did not included auxiliary deputies or cops and did not included corrections officers. They operated under city or county rules. We were required to act when we saw a person in danger. Is that different in Tennessee? It’s hard to act if you are unarmed. We carried our guns everywhere… bars, hospitals, court, everywhere. The only place I remember having to disarm was to enter the jail. I am no longer a cop, but would probably act if I saw a person in danger. You say that LEO’s are civilians in Tennessee. So if I decided to act am I acting with the same qualified immunity that a Police Officer has? Put whatever name you like on them but, Police Officers and Civilians are no different in the eyes of the law?

I respectfully call I agree with your feelings, but there are not enough Patriots left in this country to make a stand. If our economy fails; the fall of liberty will follow. Our economic problems are the fault of the people. We don’t have the government to blame or other countries; only the American people. If they will sell their country out to save a few bucks on a foreign made product what makes you think they would defend it with their life? They won’t. These are not the same people that went to war or work to save their country in WWII; no where close. Sorry man; I’m on your side, but look around you.

Wow. I never thought in my lifetime I would see people having a serious conversation about taking up arms against our government. Our President is merely a figurehead; he can’t do much on his own. It would require Congress, The Justice Department, The Department of Defense, and The Supreme Court of the United States to stand by and do nothing for him to do some of the things suggested here. But then… I never thought I would see someone named Barack Hussein Obama, with possible terrorist ties and questionable citizenship running for president. I guess we will know how that turns out tomorrow.

I think there are professionals that would volunteer their time if they were approached right. While they might not be real keen on posting on a forum they may be willing to have open discussions. You can make up specific problems or questions (scenarios). Our meetings as cops went great with the States Attorneys because we got to discuss specifics of what their interpretations are. Defense attorneys are also a great source of information from a different viewpoint. They won’t discuss on going cases (they can’t if they are involved in them) but they are generally willing to discuss different scenarios in general. I’m also not talking about having a debate with them or between guests. You ask questions and you hear what they have to say. You can then make your own judgments based on what you hear from informed personnel instead of just reading the law and making Wag’s. I just think it’s important. I have seen a lot of people jailed because of bad information. It’s usually young people and that’s just not fair to them when they are listening to their parents who may be clueless.

Looking at GB for P85’s that completed in the last 90 days brings up about 133 auctions. Of those only 13 had bids. Of those 13 it looks like only two actually sold and they went for under $200. Even of the ones that didn’t sell; most were priced under $300. I don’t pretend to know anything about the P85, but that’s just a way to check prices and cut through the BS of high asking prices and see what they really sell for.

I don’t know, but why do you have a link to a Sony Cybershot on Amazon.com?

http://www.e-gunparts.com/productschem.asp?chrMasterModel=0660zDELTA%20GOLD%20CUP%20SERIES%2080 $4.80 I think it’s just a roll pin. You might be able to get it at a local gun shop.

Based on the fact that I can buy a Kel-Tec PLR16 in a rifle caliber and it fits the application of a SBR with no Federal permission or cost required, and I can buy it for $500; I would have to say …. 9.2â€. (10-10.5 on your poll.)

When I was a cop we had access to the law and to those that would be making the decisions on what would go to trial. We could meet with our county States Attorney and get first hand his interpretations of a given law. We also had access to the top criminal defense attorneys in the area that were usually happy to give their opinions. One of the glaring problems I see with the HCP classes (or this forum) is that there are no representatives there from the people that will decide if your case is pursued. I understand that there is not a lot of time in these classes to discuss all the laws dealing with firearms and the use of deadly force. So I would like to suggest the following… Maybe we could get some groups together for a meeting in the evening or on a Saturday in our respective areas and invite some of the people involved to speak to us and answer questions. I can assure you that Prosecutors and Defense attorneys will not be giving out the same information. So maybe we could meet with both and hear both opinions. What do you guys think?

You are correct but how could it be proven to these that don’t believe it? The Police Department I worked for in Illinois keeps all arrest records and they are available. I don’t care if your charges were dismissed or even if you have an expungment; the arrest is still there. It would not show up on a record check for a firearm purchase, but if you applied for a job as a Police Officer or the military did a security back-ground check the arrest would show. You may never know that it was a factor in you being turned down. In this case a worker made a mistake. From quickly reading through that story it appears the problem was fixed. Guns can be traced. It is done everyday. Even through private sales.

WTF?? What does he think Homeland Security, FBI, CIA, ATF, DEA, Secret Service, and all the other alphabet soup agencies are? If you want more repeal Posse Comitatus. Just as well funded?? All of those agencies have better equipment than our troops on the ground in Iraq. This guy is the most dim witted unqualified MoFo I have ever seen run for office. And he scares the hell out of me because I think he will win this election. The minorities want to put a minority in as President and they don’t care what he stands for; just that he is a minority.

What are you hunting? I don’t consider .223 a good hunting round; but some do. With that being said if you want an AR type weapon; check out DPMS. They have both .223 and .308. I have a .308 Panther and have been happy with it. If I wanted a .223 target rifle it would be a Remington 700 heavy barrel.

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13275 I doubt you will find any “deals†at any of the shows around here. I have been looking at them. I wouldn’t buy unless it was from a dealer with a warranty. If you are ready to buy; I would shoot IM’s to forum supporting dealers and see what happens. That usually gets me a good price; plus it supports the forum.

It’s not a collectable (although they are no longer made) but there are those out there that think Colts made during that time were some of the best. (I’m not one of them so don’t start with me ) A 1980’s Colt is as good as one made today. It is doing nothing but appreciating. Unless he needs to sell it to get the Kimber; I would keep it. But if he has to sell it to get the Kimber I would bet he could trade straight across (or close to it) if he advertised it. I’m curious to hear why he would want to trade a stainless frame Colt for an aluminum frame Kimber? To answer your question; I looked on GB at the ones that actually sold in the last 90 days. They sold for $785, $850, and $800.

Clint Smith can pack an hour of training into 15 minutes. Just don’t plan on taking any notes.

No, but my M&P .40 Compact is thicker than a 1911 and they say the .45 compact is even thicker. “Compact†is kinda misleading. These are full size guns with a little cut off the ends. I traded off my full size and then got a compact. But now I think I’m going to go back to the full size. It’s no harder to conceal and I get 15 rounds of .40 instead of 10.

Oh please… So all those that stayed in LE have lower standards or principals than you?

I think you should be able to be armed 24/7 anywhere in the state. That’s how it was in my state. Thanks for your service.

Good God!! those are the junk he is getting rid of to make room for the new stuff. I would love to have a gun that Clapton had owned. Any serious conversation about the best guitarist of all time is going to contain Clapton.

Why would a 7.62X54R Mosin kick any harder than a 7.62X63 1903? I have both and they both have steel butt plates. I have never fired the Mosin because I’ve never ordered any ammo. I’ve shot the 03 a bunch.

+1 I saved $130 on one scope. But most importantly (to me anyway) it helps jump through some of the CMP hoops.