DaveTN

That’s true. Are you comparing a .380 to a .45ACP? And at one time (I don’t know if this is still true) more people died in the U.S. by being shot with a .22 than any other caliber. Does that make it a good carry round? I didn’t claim it did. You ask about documentation and I am giving you my real life experience. Some people on this forum ask for help because they don’t know. They look to people here that have experience; recommending a .380 for carry isn’t fair to them. Isn’t WWB in .380 FMJ? If you think there is such a thing as a good defensive round in .380 why would WWB not be it? That’s fine. My point was where does this $300 figure come from? He said his girlfriend’s brother could afford something good. He wants to get a handgun based on an area of town he will be working in. Apparently he feels there is a real threat. Come on man, we are having a discussion here. Can we lay off the cheap shots? You are a moderator.

That’s your legal advice? It’s a homicide. The question is whether it is justifiable or not. If it’s justifiable the Police need to hear that from your client. The people here have had it beat into their heads not to make a statement until they talk with an attorney. They need to hear you tell them in a good shoot its okay to make a statement. No point in them possibly spending the night in an interview room because you can’t have your sleep interrupted is there?

Got any recommendations on Rutherford County attorneys?

You don’t necessarily need to talk to the lawyer you are going to use; I doubt you are going to talk to a big name attorney in the middle of the night. However… if you are going to invoke your right to talk to a lawyer; you are going to need to talk to him right then. The decision of whether or not you are going to trial could very easily be determined in the hours after the shooting. If you have a clean shoot; you have to make a statement to the police. You also need to discuss this with an attorney you trust. Refusing to make a statement in a good shoot is as reckless as making one in a bad shoot. I don’t have a local attorney I could call. But I’m pretty confident that I won’t be in a questionable shoot; so I’m confident I could make a statement. If my shoot was bad or questionable I’ll have to make a call out of state and wait until they can get me help. I know the name John Harris and have his number but I doubt I would get to talk to him at 3AM.

You mean other than responding to a shooting and having the victim pick a .380 out of his side and hand it to me? Or seeing first hand a .380 that barely penetrated a winter coat? Or the well known fact that you need to use FMJ in a .380 because a hollow point may become clogged with clothing and won’t penetrate. There is all kinds of documentation on the .380. Look it up before you start calling my comments BS. It won’t matter if you have your mind made up. The fact that you can buy little bitty guns that use it cheap doesn’t make it a defensive round. And yours reeks of having no experience other than posting on an internet forum. It’s an opinion man… no need to attack me. People can decide what makes sense and what doesn’t.

No problem. I went to Anniston and hand picked mine all mine out. That’s really the way to do it if you can get there. They are a great bunch of people there and really help you out. You can submit all your stuff my fax before you go to make sure everything is in order for when you get there.

They have Lake City right now. I’m full to the brim with 30-06, but I sure wish they could get hold of some 7.62 NATO. But with the war going on I doubt that will happen.

You really don’t have to shoot in competition any of these meet that requirement…. Here is a link to all the requirements.... http://www.thecmp.org/eligibility.htm I belong to the Garand Collectors Association to satisfy the affiliated originations requirement, but there are many others.

http://www.thecmp.org/ Rifles are listed in the left pane. http://www.odcmp.org/new_forum/default.asp Lots of info and inventory status, etc.

Let us know what he finds. Compare the cost of running a 220 line with the cost of adding a 50 amp sub panel.

Never install a larger breaker. (If you have to ask on an internet forum) It very well could. The current density at 30 amps is too high for #12 wire. One bad connection on the circuit and something will probably be on fire. 30 Amps must be at least #10 wire. I don’t remember the number, but it’s like 200 houses a day burn down due to faulty wiring. You don’t get pick the size of wire based on price.

I wonder if you are allowed to take a dump or vomit.

Then you need to educate him. Selecting a firearm or a carry round based on price is simply stupid. If he loses his life or the life of a loved one over the price of a gun it really wasn’t such a good deal was it? Has he gone through your Dads guns to see what he likes? Is your Dad pointing him towards a $300 .380 POS? $300 might buy you an S&W J-frame if you know someone; but it won’t on an internet forum. Most of the other stuff at $300 is junk; and the .380 is absolutely useless for a carry round. (Sorry .380 guys but that’s just fact ) $500 puts him in a range with a whole bunch of good options. If he has a quarter million dollar house I doubt a couple of hundred for life insurance will break him. Sorry if I sound blunt about this but this forum is for passing along good information. I have seen or investigated the aftermath of a lot of shootings. Bottom feeder guns are not a good choice for carry. They are marketed to people that are buying their first gun and don’t know anything or to people that want a gun to throw in the drawer at home and will probably never use it. However, if you shoot them regularly the chance that they would fail at the time you need them is slim. Ammo is critical. Yes, a .380 in your pocket is better than a .45 at home. If that sounds like an intelligent statement to you; go with the .380. You need to carry the ammo you would need for the threat that you think you may encounter. I personally don’t think I will be using deadly force unless I have encountered a situation where the bad guy is armed. Your chances of surviving a fire fight with a .380 are pretty slim.

A breaker does not control the amount of current (amps). If your device needs 20 amps for more than a short time a 15 amp breaker will kick. If you put a 30 amp breaker on 14 wire there is a good chance of catching the house on fire before wires melt and short together; kicking the breaker. If I’m not mistaken; as amperage increases voltage decreases. That is what he is seeing. The breaker is not kicking out so I am assuming that the unit is not pulling more than it should. That is why my question about “is it not getting hot enough?â€. My casual observation is that the electrical is fine. If the unit is not reaching the temperature it is suppose to be at… the POS is broke, take it back and get a new one.

No, and neither will larger wire. Is there a problem? A voltage drop may be normal. Is the kiln not getting hot enough?

More info.... Sounds like Derek has a new problem.

Check out Brownells web page with free videos on building an AR, PDF’s on what tools you need, etc. http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/GunTech/NewsletterArchive.aspx?x=v&p=0&t=1&i=1103&mc_ID=3017

Downloaded, thanks I have a Glock Armorers Manual in PDF format if someone wants to host it. It’s about 7MB.

And that is the problem. I’m a Toolmaker and guns have always been a hobby, so I think I have (or could gain) the skills to be a Gunsmith. However… that is impossible where I live unless I either have a building in an area zoned commercial or work for someone else. I don’t see either of those as an option. I don’t think you have to have an FFL to take work in; but I could be wrong. I’m not aware of any law that would keep me from working on a gun in the shop where I work. But you certainly would have to have one to ship or receive.

I wasn’t commenting on him specifically. But while it may not be my place to regulate what he can or can’t do; I hope someone at the state level is. Why did that piss you off? If a person can’t distinguish the good guys from the bad guys or a threat from a non-threat; they have absolutely no business carrying a gun. That is common sense. If the person is not blind and can pass the HCP range test, but is going somewhere else with this “legally blind†scenario… then disregard my comments because I don’t understand what he is talking about. As I said mentally ill people are not allowed to have guns and no one seems to have a problem with that. Many of those people are disabled through no fault of their own. He eluded to the fact that if someone is deaf or blind and someone knocks on the window of the car they are justified in opening fire because they have been startled. He also is suggesting that because his specially equipped vehicle is expensive and its loss would limit his lifestyle; that may be justification for the use of deadly force. If you think that a Jury or a Prosecutor would give that person preferential treatment after they killed an innocent person; believe it. As a former Police Officer and having been involved in many shooting cases and trials; I can assure you that we do not have a justice system, we have a legal system.

No rights involved. Cops are part of a “Special Groupâ€, just as you are. It is illegal to carry a gun in Tennessee and 97% (or the vast majority) would be arrested if caught doing it. You, on the other hand have purchased a special privilege from the state. You spent 8 hours (maybe) smoking and joking at the range and paid the state $115 so you could lug a gun around. A cop, on the other hand has spent far more time training and meeting state mandated requirements. Carrying for him is a job requirement. However, it appears that Tennessee does put some restrictions on cops depending on whether or not they are “on dutyâ€. I don’t think most states make that distinction. No one should be handling a loaded firearm in any building while groups of people are around; that includes cops and HCP holders. If you don’t check weapons at the door of a gun show someone will have an AD/ND.

I can read the signs just fine. But more importantly I can identify my target and make decisions based on what is around it. I thought HM was trying to discuss situations specific to people with disabilities and what the legal outcome would be. Apparently I was wrong. If you have a problem with this discussion you could shoot me a PM and I won’t post. But accusing me of having dyslexia or saying that I am unaware of the issues isn’t necessary. I’m sorry that he is blind and that you are in a wheelchair, but if either of you think the legal system will give you a break in a shooting; you are wrong.

Sure. The forum software, the database, any forum owned hardware; these are all property. If I took control of this forum and locked your brother out; I have taken physical control over property that I do not own. I don’t care if the servers that I am controlling are sitting in his living room, mine, or a rented office space, if I have locked him out of controlling this forum; I have committed theft. If I were the responding Officer and this other guy could not show me proof of ownership his choice would be to allow the owner to take control of the forum, or go to jail and settle it in criminal court. And since your brother and I are both in Rutherford county I would expect that is what the Deputies would tell me when they came to my house. But as I said before we (or at least I ) have only heard one side of this story. Maybe the guy owns part of that forum or has some kind of lien against it.

Tulsa… as in Oklahoma? Does the state have a Fleeing Forcible Felon statute? Did he know the neighbor had been shot when he opened fire? The shoot is not one that I would make, but is probably lawful if he saw that the neighbor had been shot. Hearing gun shots and seeing someone running won’t cut it. If the fleeing felon pointed a gun at me; it’s okay to kill him. In Tennessee v. Garner the SCOTUS has held that Police Officers may use deadly force to prevent escape only if the Officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious injury to the Officer or others. I don’t know if a citizen would be treated any differently; I doubt it. EDIT: Nevermind… I just read post #13. All that typing and thinking for nothing.

25 feet sounds good to me wheelchair or no wheelchair. The distance is not important as the attackers intent and ability to inflict harm. No one said you had to wait to draw. If a guy is runnning at me with a baseball bat, he will be running at a firearm pointed at him. I would like to be able to say that he saw the wepon; but that is not nessessary. Draw all you like, but if you pull the trigger you are going to prison. You can’t kill someone because they scare you. Your story would pale in comparison when the parents of the 6 year old innocent bystander you killed in the parking lot addressed the court at your sentencing hearing. I’m sure you have more challenges that most of us. But giving a HCP to a blind guy is reckless…. Criminal reckless. There are people with disabilities that through no fault of their own are barred from having guns and carry permits. People with mental disorders can’t have guns.