Worriedman

We have some smart folks here, and ones schooled in jurisprudence.  Can an individual John or Jane Doe even bring suit (and collect) against a City or County if they are injured in a park, by a legally owned (or illegal for that matter) firearm in City/County/State/Federal Park?   They wrote in immunity from such truck for property owners in the Parking Lot bill, can't sue the owners regardless, could they not have done the same, (or as my radar suggest it already exist) with respect to parks?

Agreed.

Pfiffle, you act like Republicans have a desire to further or protect anything firearms.  We have a Super Majority in TN, and we can't even get a single decent firearms law on the floor for debate. Who are these Republicans you speak of, not the legislators in TN, or evidently the base, as they keep sending the same weak-kneed yes men up there, oh, and if they for some reason happen to stumble on the correct vote say on setting common core back a bit, leadership will reach in and bitch slap them back into line.

The HMO is the peer this clause protects, could be your City Council or County Commission, if they set up rules, and you signed up to obey them, you are SOL.  Private Rental Property Owners in TN get to decide if their tenants can keep weapons, HMO's evidently get to make those choices for us as well.  They will get the Sheriff or PD top put your stuff on the curb if you break their rules...

We need to rally up and get on the horn regarding HB 1399 by Matheny SB 1612 by Green: Firearms and Ammunition - As introduced, declares that the general assembly occupies the whole field of regulation of firearms, ammunition, components of firearms or ammunition, or combinations thereof, prohibiting local regulation. - Amends TCA Section 39-17-1314.   Only thing left of worth in the GA this year, may, just might, possibly has a chance to not get fiscal noted out.

Meh, they are the BATFE, what matters if their reasons for action are valid...

Yeah, like the bilharzia snail fluke which will end living when the host body does...

Actually, the members of committee are selected for their adherence to leadership.  Individual thinking, love of the Constitution are not highly prized.  The ability to deliver to Business interest (it is well known that the Chamber of Commerce is the largest single contributer of dollars to legislators) their agendas is paramount to the current ruling Junta.

And to make the point, 4 of the 5 attorneys just voted to kill Beavers' Firearms Freedom Act, with Bell, Green and Campfield voting "Aye".

Five of the 9 members of the Senate Judiciary Committee are lawyers, they may not be an overreaching majority in the legislature, but they are predominant in the Senate Judiciary Committee.

My cutter sat me down and had a heart to heart with me prior to having my knee replaced.  Between my age (58 at the time) and my tobacco use (2 packs a day for way too many years), he wanted to alert me to a few facts.   Said as he was going to be dragging a saw through my leg twice, and the surgery was fairly long, he had to really put me under.  Opined the chance of a serious stroke with the smoking as a causal agent were substantial, but, if I kicked for a couple of months prior to, I could reduce that change by 50%. (plus suggested cold turkey on a freshly sawed leg was going to be a little problematic)  Said if my dumba** wanted to pick it back up on the other side, I could, but, the smart money was on putting them down that day.   Best decision I ever made. Every time I step out of a restaurant and smell a Marlborough I want one, and always will, but I have it beat.  I convinced the wife I should be able to spend the savings on shooting stuff, has worked out pretty well.

Can't you renew via mail, seems to me I remember them using my newest driver's license picture to do that via mail last year, or am I dreaming? Just renewed my diver's license online, they said they would use my latest picture, good thing I am not aging any...

The smart ones purchased the database just prior to it becoming illegal to do so.  It follows presidence from our Lt. Gov. (though fat lot of good it did him) in his run for Governor.  I had tried hard to get that closed and his entourage wanted to hold off till after the election...

Really?  Imagine that.

What I spend the majority of my non-work time advocating for.

It is what lawyers do, if they wrote simple to understand laws, they could not charge as much for their services, and believe me, they charge for their services...

Thank you so much for making that available.

Notice the NRA did not mention: HB 2145/SB 1607 by Weaver/Beavers, Firearms and Ammunition - As introduced, expands and amends the Tennessee Firearms Freedom Act to limit federal actions in this state; creates an offense to knowingly enforce or attempt to enforce any federal enactment or enforcement action punishable as a Class A misdemeanor or Class C felony for subsequent offenses; revises other provisions related to violations and liabilities.   HB 1667/SB1733 by Pody/Beavers, Firearms and Ammunition - As introduced, protects the right of a person to transport and store a firearm or firearm ammunition in a privately owned vehicle; prevents any owner, lessee or manager of real property from taking adverse action against a person transporting or storing a firearm or ammunition; creates a civil cause of action for damages.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/03/daniel-zimmerman/breaking-ares-armor-raided-atf/   From the article:  

If you are so simple as to not understand that money drives the legislature, then there is no help for you.  In another thread where you insinuated that all that had to happen was getting the folks to call, I posted the names, e-mail addresses of the committee that has the choke hold on this non-bill, (which you evidently do not understand yet). Have you spoken to them? You continue to mouth off about how this is the golden opportunity to regain our rights in Tennessee, but there is no push from any legislator to do so, and I have told you that from the time the bill was first put up.  That ticked you off, but I talked to every friendly legislator up there and they told me then it was a charade, which I reported here and you high headed off giving me crap about it.  Did you talk to anyone or simply flap your gums on the interweb? I made the statement about the lottery in semi-jest, as I do not have enough personal money to outspend the Chamber and Fed Ex. Notice I never mentioned 32 million dollars, that was your figure from my mention of 1.6 million hunters, (well add in 500K HCP holders too that on average donate nothing either), but it was used simply to show that we have the strength if we would but use it.  You took the bit and acted an ass about it, when what I said was correct.   You did intone that there was something up with money:   I don't have to bounce anything off of John, what exactly was your intention there if not to besmirch? I am a Board Member, I know exactly what is in the PAC, and it is not enough to make a dent against the Chamber and Amazon. Twice in this run you have mentioned John Harris and money.  Nobody ask anyone to send any money to any person in this organization.  He and I both refuse to be paid for speaking anywhere or being reimbursed for our gas to get there.  We do have a PAC which a lot of trouble to manage and do all the reporting, I am the treasurer on another with Tea Party, and can attest to the time and trouble it takes to keep it legal and up to date.  It opens me to enhanced scrutiny in both cases from the IRS and State officials.   You want to put in that much time and effort into the fight fine, otherwise it might be prudent to listen to those who are actively involved and have been for years here. I have offered you two scenarios that would helpo lead to gaining what it is you seek, and not once have you asked how you could get involved to make a difference. I am dealing with a very sick wife, and a Mother put into Memory Care by meth thugs that ran over my aged parents, I still work a 60 hour week.  I think what I will do is back out of this forum and you can see what you can achieve.

Hearing the first tinkles of ice on the windows, getting colder, been thundering and raining here since middle of the afternoon.

I don't know how to adequately describe this to you Dave, I have tried, I really have.  Not enough people are pledging money to legislators for re-election to override the purchase power of Leadership on the issue.  The Chamber of Commerce does not want this, and as they give more money to legislators than all other groups (and realize if you can, that Big Business funds them) what the Chamber wants, the Chamber gets. Dennis never intended for this so called bill to be debated on the floor, it has no co-sponsors, not one, there are no co-sponsors in the Senate, none.  If any of the representatives were for it, they would be Prime co-sponsors It is simply a game he is running to try and save his political hide.  Want to do something to futher the cause of firearms rights in TN, help beat that phony this year.   Money and time is all it takes. You wirte a check to the TFA PAC for $32 mil, I wll start giving you results, because then I can register as a lobbyist and start passing out $20,000.00 per cycle instead of the $250.00 we can afford at the present.  But By God we are at least inthe fight, and in the know of what the facts are.  I told you above what we have to do to get some results, beat the Establishment guys in the hinter regions.  If we get Dennis and Rich this year, it will send shock waves, just like getting Maggart did.  the NRA put up $75K for that one, but it was foot leather that mad eht difference.  Did you Dave, go to the 45th District a single time and walk the streets and knock on doors?  I did for two months, I also put up my personal money, giving the maximum I could to Rogers campaign in both cycles because I felt it that important. The only real firearms Rights advocate that we had in the House was Judd Matheney, he put his political head on the block two years back and there was no support for him, Harwell took his Speaker Pro Tempore position and gave it to another of her lackeys.  He is now an also ran, with no power.   Now, as far as "bouncing" something about money off of John Harris, you are talking about things you have absolutely no knowledge of.  As a representative of the TFA as you call it, I get as a benefit, to spend endless hours in my personal vehicle, burning my own gas to travel all over to speak to people, grassroots groups etc. who wish to learn the facts of legislation and what we need to do to get over the obstacles of the Establishment who seek simply to gain power and exert control, (that or the time I spend at the legislature, where I take my vacation to spend my gas to drive from Jackson to Nashville).  It is what the politicians sell, access to the plebeians and venues to exert power to the powerful.   You start throwing insinuations about money about, get ready to put some facts up, because it cost me plenty out of my pocket to do the things I do for the effort, believe you me, those boys in Nashville keep a close eye on me, they would love to shut me up, do they even know who you are?

Showing up to "address" their suggested "intentional" obfuscation would be a basic admission of guilt to a spurious charge.  I would make them come and get me too.   From the article:  

Wonder what the carnage would have been if each of the ten had used a pressure cooker?

Reason I got into stainless/wet tumbling was an Old Hand at Nationals, he was an armorer who I never found to be wrong about anything.  He turned me onto this long before it got to be cool, saying that cleaning the primer residue from inside the cases enhanced the life of the throats.  Said primer residue (from inside the case body) blown down the bore was harder on barrels than anything.