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Understood, but I once had a Metro police officer tell me that carrying with a Handgun Carry Permit was carrying with intent to go armed; by extension, having one on campus in your vehicle so you can be armed when you leave school at the end of the day could be found to be the same thing. I searched Lexis on Michie today and found only four places where the phrase "intent to go armed" is listed in TCA--all four are in TCA 39-17. The phrase does not appear to be defined anywhere in TCA, and, if a prosecutor decides to "try a theory," I'm not interested in being the test case. Bottom line, IMO, the legislature really needs to clarify what they mean in these laws. They are not very well written.

Here is the problem. TCA 39-17-1309 says, in part: <link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CUsers%5CJIMKLA%7E1%5CAppData%5CLocal%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:PunctuationKerning/> <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/> <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent> <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> <w:DontGrowAutofit/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} p {mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style> <![endif]--> <table class="MsoNormalTable" style="" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr style=""> <td colspan="5" style="padding: 0in;"> ( (1) It is an offense for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, with the intent to go armed, any firearm, explosive, explosive weapon, bowie knife, hawk bill knife, ice pick, dagger, slingshot, leaded cane, switchblade knife, blackjack, knuckles or any other weapon of like kind, not used solely for instructional or school-sanctioned ceremonial purposes, in any public or private school building or bus, on any public or private school campus, grounds, recreation area, athletic field or any other property owned, used or operated by any board of education, school, college or university board of trustees, regents or directors for the administration of any public or private educational institution.<o></o> </td> </tr> <tr style=""> <td colspan="3" style="padding: 0in;"> (2) A violation of this subsection ( is a Class E felony.<o></o> </td> <td style="padding: 0in;"> </td> <td style="padding: 0in;"> </td> </tr> <tr style=""> <td colspan="5" style="padding: 0in;"> © (1) It is an offense for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any firearm, not used solely for instructional or school-sanctioned ceremonial purposes, in any public or private school building or bus, on any public or private school campus, grounds, recreation area, athletic field or any other property owned, used or operated by any board of education, school, college or university board of trustees, regents or directors for the administration of any public or private educational institution. It is not an offense under this subsection © for a nonstudent adult to possess a firearm, if the firearm is contained within a private vehicle operated by the adult and is not handled by the adult, or by any other person acting with the expressed or implied consent of the adult, while the vehicle is on school property. </td> </tr> <tr style=""> <td style="padding: 0in;"> (2) A violation of this subsection © is a Class B misdemeanor.<o></o> </td> <td style="padding: 0in;"> </td> <td style="padding: 0in;"> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> The part in italics that is the exception in subsection © gives you immunity against prosecution ONLY under subsection ©, the misdemeanor. It does NOT give you immunity against prosecution under subsection (, the felony. If a prosecutor wanted to carve a notch in his belt, he could try. TCA 39-17-1310 gives immunity ONLY under these four circumstances: <link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CUsers%5CJIMKLA%7E1%5CAppData%5CLocal%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:PunctuationKerning/> <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/> <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent> <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> <w:DontGrowAutofit/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} p {mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style> <![endif]-->It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under § 39-17-1309(a)-(d) that the person's behavior was in strict compliance with the requirements of one (1) of the following classifications: <table class="MsoNormalTable" style="" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr style=""> <td rowspan="4" style="padding: 0in;"> </td> <td style="padding: 0in;"> </td> <td style="padding: 0in;"> (1) A person hunting during the lawful hunting season on lands owned by any public or private educational institution and designated as open to hunting by the administrator of the educational institution; </td> <td style="padding: 0in;"> </td> <td rowspan="4" style="padding: 0in;"> </td> </tr> <tr style=""> <td style="padding: 0in;"> </td> <td style="padding: 0in;"> (2) A person possessing unloaded hunting weapons while transversing the grounds of any public or private educational institution for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting with the intent to hunt on the public or private lands unless the lands of the educational institution are posted prohibiting entry; </td> <td style="padding: 0in;"> </td> </tr> <tr style=""> <td style="padding: 0in;"> <o></o> </td> <td style="padding: 0in;"> (3) A person possessing guns or knives when conducting or attending “gun and knife shows” and the program has been approved by the administrator of the educational institution; or </td> <td style="padding: 0in;"> <o></o> </td> </tr> <tr style=""> <td style="padding: 0in;"> <o></o> </td> <td style="padding: 0in;"> (4) A person entering the property for the sole purpose of delivering or picking up passengers and who does not remove, utilize or allow to be removed or utilized any weapon from the vehicle. </td> <td style="padding: 0in;"> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> To answer the OP's question, TCA 39-17-1310 most certainly does not give protection to a teacher or school staff member for keeping a firearm in their car during the school day, and neither does the exception granted in TCA 39-17-1309© give immunity to prosecution under TCA 39-17-1309( to a teacher or school staff member.

The affirmative defense applies only to parents dropping off or picking up students. TCA 39-17-1310(4) says: <link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CUsers%5CJIMKLA%7E1%5CAppData%5CLocal%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:PunctuationKerning/> <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/> <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent> <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> <w:DontGrowAutofit/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style> <![endif]--><link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CUsers%5CJIMKLA%7E1%5CAppData%5CLocal%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C05%5Cclip_filelist.xml"><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:PunctuationKerning/> <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/> <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent> <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> <w:DontGrowAutofit/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style> <![endif]-->(4) A person entering the property for the sole purpose of delivering or picking up passengers and who does not remove, utilize or allow to be removed or utilized any weapon from the vehicle. A teacher is not entering the property for the sole purpose of delivering or picking up passengers. They are entering the property because they work there. The affirmative defense of 1310 does not apply to teachers. IANAL, so this is not legal advice, but IMO a teacher or staff member is liable both for termination under school board policy and for prosecution under TCA 39-17-1309( or ©. This would appear to apply to teachers and non-teachers alike.

Obama supports a ban on concealed carry nationally. McCain doesn't.

These may not be the facts you are looking for, but I believe them to be true: 1) Senator McCain is not a gun-owners best friend, but his advisers will not be tugging on his sleeve asking him to implement new gun control schemes every time he turns around...Senator Obama's will. 2) If you do not vote for Senator McCain, you will not have done everything you legally can to avoid losing your Second Amendment rights. If they are taken away (yes, I know they cannot legally be taken away, but that won't stop some people, and we all know who they are), how will you feel about that? This is my opinion, worth what you paid for it.

Very nice catch...congratulations!

You beat me to it. Agree on the Remington 870, too.

...and raise your hand with one or two fingers when you need to go to the bathroom, boys and girls.

I also pay no attention to signs which do not meet the law, because they give the company no legal leg upon which to stand. I do not care what Charter's corporate policy is. If spotted and asked to leave, I will do so, and take my business elsewhere. The real question is, is Charter Communications the only cable option in town?

Only if February 2002 is "newer." Maybe it is....

Well said. I got one today also, but had not looked at it until I saw this thread. Since Kent Coleman is my Representative, I think I'll send him a little letter.

Good grief!!

I'm thinking this was sarcasm? Admittedly, unless incorporated, the Bill of Rights only applies to the national government, but: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."--Ninth Amendment

I tend to use Federal Premium Personal Defense in my pistols and Remington Golden Saber or Express in my revolvers.

I have small hands. I bought a Model 30 two days before the Model 30SF was announced. I have since held a Model 30SF, and I personally could not tell that much difference (although, in interest of full disclosure, I did not fire it). I guess only you will be able to decide whether the difference is significant for you or not. I'm certain you'll enjoy having your SF!

Voted yes. Current results: Should Disney be allowed to carry guns to work? Yes. All other employees are able to. (2534 responses) 76.6% No. It's too dangerous for visitors. (739 responses) 22.3% Not sure (36 responses) 1.1% 3309 total responses

Be certain your evil handgun doesn't leap out of its holster and start shooting people, like Mr. Naifeh fears. Have fun, and stay safe!

100% (but I'm an old US Government teacher).

Voted No. Current results: <table class="Tb" width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td>Should the Texan Joe Horn, who shot two burglers running from his neighbor's house been charged for their deaths. </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Yes </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="Td"> 31% </td> </tr> <tr> <td> No </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="Td"> 66% </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Don't know / Don't care </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="Td"> 3%</td></tr></tbody></table>

It does sort of make you want to fill out a slip at the "refunds" desk, doesn't it?

Yes, welcome indeed!

Voted No. Current Results: Should Chicago fight to keep its gun-control ordinance? <!-- display poll answer --> <table class="TEXT" padding="3" width="375"> <tbody><tr> <td>Yes</td> <td><table><tbody><tr><td width="27" bgcolor="#990000" height="15"> </td></tr></tbody></table></td> <td align="right">27% </td> <td width="ALIGN=RIGHT">691 votes</td> </tr> <tr> <td>No</td> <td><table><tbody><tr><td width="72" bgcolor="#990000" height="15"> </td></tr></tbody></table></td> <td align="right">72% </td> <td width="ALIGN=RIGHT">1829 votes</td> </tr> </tbody></table> Total Votes: 2520

Voted Yes. Current results: Yes 79% No 21% Total Votes: 232

Perhaps they can, however, defy the will of the people....

Child rapists can't be executed, Supreme Court rules Published: 6/25/08, 1:00 PM EDT From Bill Mears CNN Supreme Court Producer WASHINGTON (CNN) - The U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-4 Wednesday that child rapists cannot be executed, concluding capital punishment is reserved for murderers. The ruling stemmed from the case of Patrick Kennedy, who appealed the 2003 death sentence he received in Louisiana after being convicted of raping his 8-year-old stepdaughter [emphasis added]. Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote in the majority opinion that "evolving standards of decency" in the United States forbid capital punishment for any crime other than murder. See remainder of article here: http://my.att.net/s/editorial.dll?pnum=1&bfromind=7405&eeid=5950792&_sitecat=1181&dcatid=0&eetype=article&render=y&ac=-2&ck=&ch=ne&rg=blsadstrgt I just sent this letter (via email) to my US Senators and Representative: "I am absolutely appalled that five black-robed mandarins on the United States Supreme Court have ruled that child rapists cannot be subject to the death penalty because of “evolving standards of decency.” Evidently, the five members in the majority have decided that the rape of children is decent. If these now self-proclaimed pedophile-lovers knew anything of human decency, they would have allowed the punishment provided under state law for this monster to stand. HE RAPED HIS EIGHT-YEAR-OLD STEP-DAUGHTER!! "In Article 3, Section 2 of the United States Constitution, Congress is given the authority to remove cases from the jurisdiction of the national courts: 'In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.' "I beg you, as a member of Congress, please discharge your duty to rein in the excesses of this judicial tyranny. "I served my country for over twelve years as an Army officer on active duty and in the reserves. I do not even recognize what was my country anymore; instead, I see an emerging dictatorship, and I see Congress doing nothing to forestall its completion." Before others post after having dissected the decision and say, "Well, that's not really what SCOTUS said," I'm not interested in giving my members of Congress a legal treatise. I want them to know my visceral reaction to this garbage from the court. I find myself worried more and more about what the Heller decision will look like....