Alleycat72

I worked with a small bullet manufacturer testing their bullets. He specializes in subsonic expanding bullets. The gun is outstanding in the field. I killed several deer last season testing and got golf ball size exit holes with subsonics. It's surprising how hard such a little gun hits. Marty is a hell of a good guy and some of his toys are being tested in the sandbox.

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It's mainly for hunting with 530gr subsonics suppressed. I always wanted a 458 and a SBR, but Marty at Teppo Jutsu had his house destroyed by a hurricane and was a year behind. I was looking for 8" barrel. Conventional wisdom says anything shorter than 7 1/2 will have problems. He was not even taking orders for a year, but he did have a 7" upper that he experimented with that he said he would sell. So that's how it came to be. The form 4 for the suppressor should be back in about 6 weeks. With it on the gun It will be the same length as an AR with a 16 1/2 barrel. I have added the 3 position gas block.

Of coarse it depends on your caliber as well. A 7" 308 would be bad. A 7" AR cambered in 9mm would be perfectly acceptable with a 9mm suppressor. It's all about muzzle pressure. I would shoot an 8" 300 whisper suppressed all day long. I would not let a voided warranty stop me if it is what I wanted. A faster twist barrel and a brake will fix most issues. A piston gun will also be louder and does require some dwell time.

Suppressors are rated for a cartridge, but that's not the whole story. It is actually pressure. It is easy to understand a rating like "308 with a barrel no less than 10.5 in " The pressure at the muzzle of a 308 with a 10" barrel may be much higher than a 300 Win Mag with a 26-27 " barrel. There is also a sandblasting affect that happens to your blast baffle. You can over come it by using a quick detach style suppressor that uses a brake instead of a flash hider. As far as stability goes. As you cut the barrel down you lose velocity and RPM. You still have a 1 in 10 rate of twist, but in theory you could get slow enough to loose stability. I have shot 308s and 223s very slow without problems. Advanced Armament :: Cyclops

There is no need to have an extra pistol lower. The pistol lower becomes the SBR once the form 1 comes back. For about 2 months you will just have a pistol with some extra engraving.

Yes. Less than 10.5"

I built mine. It's hard to find a 7" 458 Socom. If you buy a lower, have it registered as a pistol. You can then order the upper and have it at the house with the lower. Once the form 1 comes back, order your stock. Do not have an extra stock in your house... Do your engraving while your form 1 is out. Some don't like to do this in case the engraver Fs up the engraving. I sent mine to Orion they put my avatar on the mag housing. The entire process took 1 month 29 days and the gun is 23"

AOW = $200 to make or $5 to transfer if it is an existing AOW

I love my 10mm Kimber.

I put it on Silencer Talk

I use my carry gun. 10mm Kimber. Nothing will give you more confidence in your carry gun than popping a deer at 50 yards. The eye opener was the full penetration I got with my carry ammunition. I've also hunted with a 454 and a 260 XP100, but nothing beats the gun I have on my side everyday.

So your saying a trust is at least 2 days faster. I'm just messing with you. I've had the same examiner every time on my form 4s (Rob Howard/Nancy Flannigan) My form 1s (Dawn Henson/A Lamburger). I've been pleased with them.

When confronted with a life and death situation, it's obvious some of the members here would be dead and others would have a fighting chance. I have had to draw my weapon twice where I had to point it at someone. One was a guy that set me up for a robbery in a bad area of west Nashville. It is a sobering experience. I had to use deadly force once(He lived I did not have a gun). You will question whether you did the right thing or not regardless of how right you are. I was handcuffed immediately. After hearing the witness statements the cops uncuffed me and let me go and told me I did the right thing. I was 17 and it is impossible to convey how I felt. He plead guilty and did not pursue litigation against me so he received a lighter sentence. If pulling my gun will deescalate a potentially deadly situation it's getting pulled. If it cost me my gun and my handgun permit that's fine. It's much better than spending the rest of my life wondering if I could have done something to save my wife or my daughter. The only good thing from my experiences was that I know that I won't freeze up at a critical time. You never think you will, but you never know until something like this happens. As far as shooting into a car when someone is trying to run you down. Yes get out of the way, but cars have these things called steering wheels and bad guys will use this devise to alter the course of the car to match you escape route. He can't do this if he is dodging bullets or incapacitated. Again wife and kids first. Me second. The OP was prepared. Good for him. His girlfriend knows he will protect his loved ones. Again, good for him.

It's not really a myth. I have never been able to get my paperwork signed, fingerprinted, and mailed on the same day I picked the forms up. The Sheriff is not always in and it sometimes takes a couple days to get it back. The FBI has had holdups on fingerprint cards on their end. I had a problem with my second transfer because of fingerprint cards that added 9 days. It does not save you months but it does save you days or weeks. I have heard of people trying to shop examiners to save time, but I don't know how fruitful that is. Their sharing the workload and you are not guaranteed to get the same examiner as usual for a given class 3. If you need it for a class tell your dealer and offer to pay for him to go through the same class. He can bring the suppressor to class and let you use it as long as he can take possession at any time. After the class he will simply take it back to the gun shop. The biggest issue of wait time will be the examiner you get. I just sent in two form 4s today filed as an individual. So hopefully in May I'll be heavy two more NFA items.

Nope. The fastest way is to go the trust route and buy from a stocking dealer in state. The ATF takes 2 to 5 months. Buying from an out of state stocking dealer will add 3 weeks to a month to that. If you buy from a manufacturer it could take several extra months depending on the manufacturing schedule. Doing a trust will save you a little time because the ATF will not have to wait on the FBI to process fingerprint cards.

Flexbar: ROCKSETT,4 OZ Rocksett.

AAC, AWC, and SWR make good stuff. I just ordered a AAC cyclone from Major Malfunction at a hefty discount. Call him he will give you a no bull**** assessment of the suppressors you are interested in. Suppressor companies give a good discount to dealers that order large amounts(10 or more) Some dealer's only carry one brand and will push that suppressor. Talk to more than one guy on this. Your dealer may be a 100% straight up guy, but a 4 month wait+$200 stamp+ $700-$1000 you don't want to be disappointed. Get on :: Index and read. It leans a little towards AAC, but most all of the suppressor manufacturers are on there. You get to talk to the guys that run or own the companies. There is some drama in the NFA world with Gemtech. Don't let it discourage you. They're not bad suppressors, but some will not buy them on principle. MAJOR MALFUNCTION - Class 3 III NFA dealer - suppressor / silencer sales Integrals are QUITET, but you can't move it from gun to gun. Most .22 pistol integrals come apart so cleaning is EZ. Center fire rifles are a different story. They are quiet, but they are usually SBR with the suppressor pined or welded on so that it can be a one stamp gun. Cleaning the gun can be tricky. Ever dropped a patch off the end of the rod.

.22 mag/20 Gauge

So when a bad guy, coyote, groundhog is hit at 600 yards with 5.56 does he feel it? Or does it bounce of like sleet? I think you would be hard pressed to find someone to stand in front of one at 401 yards

Yes. shot at more than once. Hit once. I typed the whole story, but deleted it. I have never heard anyone adequately explain the sensation. Red hot sledge hammer is the closest, but not entirely correct.

I wouldn't want to get shot by someone I did know was in the tree. That hurts.

Take the stand. Leave a laminated letter with your contact information. If it's an honest mistake he will contact you and you will know who he is. If not you have a new stand. Your contact info has to be on the no hunting sign, but this lets him know you have it instead of a trespasser.

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I have a Remington 1911, but it saw action in Korea