mikegideon

I don't like that any more than you do, even though I've always had insurance, and will never go without it. They had to do that to eliminate preexisting conditions.

I HAVE listened to what they say, and have tried not to take anything out of context. I don't listen to Rush, Beck, or any of those types.

So, you think that it's primarily a welfare program? No wonder you're pissed.

Pretty comprehensive page... Varmint Al's Field Testing The 17 HMR

I haven't read much on the terminal ballistics of the .17 HMR rounds, but there are two different bullets out there. The original Hornady plastic tip pretty much disintegrates when it hits. There is also a jacketed hollow point available. I have both, but haven't played with them much. Everbody pretty much agrees that .17 is too small for a yote, even with decent penetration from a JHP.

So we're talking about the City of Detroit, not the entire metro? The city of East St. Louis, IL has been dead for years, and they DO discuss it. Sounds like Detroit may be real similar.

I have a Marlin 917S, and believe it might be the perfect skunk gun

Couple of points... #6: even if they were as successful at recruitment as anywhere else, it wouldn't significantly make up for point #1. #7&8: Welcome to the US. same as everywhere else with significant minority population

How do you replace the money hole made by the car makers? Again, not defending their local government. Of course real estate is going to go in the crapper. I was in Houston from '78 to '81 and met a bunch of Detroit folks. There was a mass exodus, and it was all about the auto industry and lack of jobs.

I did a lot of work in Memphis a couple of years ago. Most of it was moving radio stations. One of my software packages would display population density on a map. Switching between Census '90 and Census 2k showed a dramatic population shift to the east. It was more pronounced in the white demo, but blacks are moving too.

Not disputing that a bunch of Democrats can't ruin the economy in a city, but are you saying the auto industry wasn't the cause?

I always assumed Detroit was dying because the US auto industry went to hell. At least, that's what my friends from Detroit told me.

Looks like we can kick everybody's ass if we feel like it :-)

The way I understand it, when the current deal is fully rolled out, there will be no difference. Yes, the question has been posed. Just depends on who you believe.

Most likely.

Guess i didn't have to say that, eh? Let me put it another way... If I'm looking at a new gun, I may read the reviews in the rags and on the net, then take it all with a grain of salt. Then, I'll ask the folks on this board. None of us have had a chance to test drive this thing.

I'm not going to say much here, because I'm taking a wait-and-see attitude about the whole thing. I share everybody's concerns. Just want to make one point that seems to be overlooked... Your insurance rates were going to raise dramatically, year after year, no matter what. Without any intervention, we were already screwed. When this turns into a real working model, a lot of stuff in the legislation may change or go away. The politicians are only saying what's good for them, so they're not a reliable source.

Without getting into Trig... there are 60 minutes in a degree. One minute of angle is 1 inch at 100 yards. You need enough adjustment range to take care of the mounting error and the additiontional upward pitch of the bore. For example, for a 500 yard zero, the bore of a .223 is pitched up around 15 MOA. For a 200 yard zero, it's only pitched up around 4 MOA. I own several scoped rifles, and all except one has leupold scopes. I've never had a situation where I couldn't zero a scope at normal ranges, especially since I used windage adjustable rings on the last few rifles. Probably not going to be an issue if you zero your rifle using the maximum point blank range zeroing method.

i want 16,000 LESS IRS agents

Bingo.

You mean like a TGO poll alert? I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers were really that high, but wouldn't trust an Internet poll as the source. They expected the numbers would come up after it passed. Haven't seen a real poll yet

You are required to leave it on the bench. No worries, the RSO's are watching

I had to polish the feed ramp and chamber on mine.

I was there for about an hour today. I didn't see her on the handgun range

And most, if not all, in this thread have prefaced their comments with overall positive feelings about LEO's.