Jonnin

Its going to require firing one round to enforce it. I do not know if they want to go there. With one round, either a pass/fail target (some sort of knockdown target that takes X amount of force to knock over can be made and hauled around by the officer) or a chronograph, bullet puller, scale, and app can do it (get the velocity and bullet weight, that is sufficient). The rest of the data you ask for is not needed for energy calculation. Due to reloaded ammo, it is not possible to do it without firing a round as there is no way to verify the powder in use.

well, there is that one revolver in 30-30 but it should be offered in more bolt guns, I agree.

One of my shooting buddies uses a phoenix, it has 2 barrels and he has the long one installed. Its plenty accurate for messing around, and has not had any type of failures. Some of these companies made some potmetal specials that blew up and gave their brands a bad name. I do not know if that was later productions caused by greed, or what. Almost every used gun vendor has at least one of them in stock, so even with the numbers made, the number that kaboomed can't be all that high a %. A lot of em were destroyed too. I have a pretty little S&W escort, cute and fun but it really does not work worth a hoot, jams and lightstrikes too much for any serious shooting. Enough parts in that little thing to make walther blush, way overengineered.

A 22 will carry you out to 200 yards, maybe 300, easily. As one friend of mine put it, get a smaller target if you want to hone your skills with a .22. Our 10/22 will outshoot us at 100-200 yard ranges, I am not a rifle marksman and can get sub 3 inch groups at those ranges with it using fairly sorry ammo. As noted above, a 22 begins to drop off fast out past 100 or so, so you have to sight in or correct for the drop which can quickly reach 10 inches or so of drop, depending on the gun and the ammo used. I use about a 7-9 power scope at those ranges. 10/22 is very tinkerable though most of that is cosmetics. If you want to shoot long range, get a long range gun, and reload for it. The 22 is a great start, but you can get a cheap single shot or bolt action 308, reload some custom, quality rounds for it, and do very well. It will cost more than a .22 per shot, but long range accuracy isnt about pumping lead downrange, its about taking your time and making your shots. Last time I went for this type work I was spending a good 10 min per shot. 308 can get pricy if you put in into an AR and go hogwild with the rapid fire, but shooting a few times per hour at something 500+ yards out, it is not that much of a burden. As you gain skill you will want to buy better quality bullets to reload and some accurate way to dispense powder, but at first, basic reloading and basic components will do.

I sure do not see many limitations. Seems to be any centerfire hand gun for anything. Bring out those .25 saturday night specials, I knew those things would have a use someday... kidding aside the barrel length reg was not a good thing (it had no productive effect). But there should be a muzzle energy reg for larger game, I know a responsible hunter wouldnt use a mousegun on a deer but there is always the novice group and the "watch this" crowd to deal with.

I have a full sized para, and once I replaced the extremely poor magazines that it came with, it has been an amazing gun. Their prices vary but I mention them as they have quality 1911 style guns in a variety of sizes and with some double stack mags, so you can get a smaller frame 10 rounder for example or a massive one with 15 or so rounds or whatever else. You can get a very functional gun for a lower price but most are the classic brick design (huge, heavy, low cap, basic models). A lot of the more expensive guns offer little more than cosmetics over the cheap ones -- some have far better internal parts but many just have a nicer looking set of grips and sleek frame styling. The point is to take your time & look at your options, and for carry, branch away from the classic models to check out some of the modern "children" of the 1911 with the various frame sizes and so on. If you want a classic style after all, a number of less expensive guns are very good, every RIA owner I have talked to for example loves their gun.

shooter's depo runs classes regular and has a range on site. There is some sort of class in cleveland that hits the cleveland rifle club for the shooting portion, but I do not know anything about them except they show up on the range from time to time, they were there today in fact.

if you really wanted to know, by the way, video is about 30 frames / sec. A high res video stream is typically 1280x720. A pixel is tpyically 3 bytes long, one for each of red, green, and blue. So each second is 82,944,000 bytes. Divide that by 2^20 (the true defination of a megabyte, its not exactly 1 million), you get 79 mb/ sec. Even if you were able to use simple lossless compression to get 50% size reduction, its still 40 mb/sec. 2400 MB/min --- thats getting close to 2.5 gigabytes/second. See why you want to plug a high res system into a PC? Probably one with a raid zero or similar style disk setup and massive IO. And 50% data reduction is very, very generous, its often only 10-15% with lossless methods! For these reasons, its uncommon for normal users to use the ultra high quality stuff, but its always fun to show the numbers.

You can take high res video on a modern camera and from that, using software and possibly some pricy hardware, you can pull off individual frames of high res to get nice still shots. Its often better to have the good equipment tied to a good computer rather than fool with trying to get a gigantic memory stick -- high res video can easily eat up gigabytes in just a short amount of time. Worse, if you are really serious, you do not use destructive video encoding, but simple compression in an AVI or similar format that preserves the original data 100%. If you have forgotten, most modern video codecs use a variation of mpeg (wavelets or DCTs etc) that discard data in order to compress it to a managable size. The AVI format uses simple compressions that do not damage the data but do not compress it much either. An hour of video in such a format really does take up gigabytes of space, more if you have uncompressed sound too (same idea, mp3 can damage the data at high compression rates).

but, should it be a 1911 on 911?

I have a number of leos that are going on 50 years old, many of them. Every one is as good as the day it was made. I only have 1 modern scope, on my AR, as the old ones do not have enough correction to be so high off the barrel. I do not know if they still have this much quality or not, but the old ones sure were built to last. I have nothing negative to say about any other brand, but it would be nice to see how the modern stuff (leo included!) works after a few decades. Esp the ones with electronics.

I do not claim you are sick. I just think that sometimes the cure is worse than the disease. Effective, practical, and it would work wonders. Sort of like gassing all the folks in the jail showers to save taxpayer money. That also would work, but its not really a strategy that should be given a lot of consideration. But as you said, we can agree to disagree, and besides, its unlikely to ever be brought up by any politician who wants to keep his job, and they excel at keepin their jobs.

If I am not totally mistaken (and that happens a lot!) my gunsmith either works for them or used to (?), a Mr. Donahue. If he still works there he does very, very good, practical work. I have not been to the shop though.

I can do that. Obama can give me the money, all 450 billion, and I will create all kinds of jobs with it, from the team managing my new bankroll to the crew of my new airplane and more. Im sure the guys down at the gun store would have some job security for a year or 5 as I picked up all those things I want but cannot afford. Any idiot can borrow a ton of money, hire a bunch of people and live like a king until the creditors come calling. Duh? Its not really anything new though... if Obama had a real idea, he would have tried it by now. This is just part of his campaign.... if it passes, he gets to claim its working but needs more time, re-elect me. If it does not pass, its the evil republicans who do not want to create jobs, re-elect me! For job creation, it gets a big fat zero. For political genius and exploitation of the circumstances to create a win-win no matter what re-election campaign, it gets at least a 90/100.

Aye but they were also, looking at it from the outside, a family living off the govt dime by and large and using that money to buy booze at times. Without knowing the why (and few did), they would have been a prime candidate for the no-kids solution. Just saying --- the point really was about the "american dream" -- that a kid with no chance can turn it all around. Enforced birth control doesnt fit that dream IMHO. Even when it might seem like a good idea, I cannot entertain it as a real solution. And trust me, every time I go out to eat, enforced birth control really does sound better and better

Actually I cannot think of a BETTER time or place for a minor to use a curse word. Though I have to wonder, if the word is OK to be played in daytime tv and radio, is it still too harsh to use in school? Its not even a "real" curse these days, most kids can do far, far better than an occasional damn or hell.

marlin limited edition longhorn 30/30 trades : Lever Action at GunBroker.com 250 bid, 450 buyout, did not sell. 300 is right there in the middle of that. This one included a scope in the price. If the scope is worth $50... 200-400 might be a reasonable price range?

There was a case similar to this with doctors asking about guns, some really good discussions and info might be found looking at that topic with a google. You go in there and tell them the kid did no wrong, the teacher is crossing a line, and if it happens again you and other concerned parents will take action against the school. That will put an end to it.

I agree with all that, as I said, I am all for cutting off the handouts to encourage more folks to better themselves. I was just thinking about the forced sterilization mentality ... they would certainly have hit my dad up in his early years, and I would not be here. Who could stand here to make that judgement call? (this is not aimed at caster!). Would take a brave person to say that my dad should have had em cut off...

I forgot about the other one, good point. Yea chatt pulls in people from all over with our nice selection of stores, not just gun stuff. GA folks avoid the more common stores if they can (ultra high tn sales tax) but do come for the hard to find places like academy. I also wish they had reloading supplies, there isnt enough competition for that and prices are steep at times.

7.65 arg Because the guns are among the best bolt actions ever made, and you can find a number of bullets for it; there is a 7.65 pistol so slugs for that might make a short range bunny popper, middle of the road 90 grain loads, and on up to 200ish grain slugs. But mosty, the common, inexpensive sporter guns and originals are sweet shooters, the caliber is a side note. Any of these attempts to shove a wide range of slugs down a barrel mean that some of the rounds will be limited by the wrong twist rate, but that is true for the 243 or whatever else as well unless you have a stash of barrels to go with the setup.

I cannot agree with this mentality. I understand it, but here is a story for you. My granddad was headed off to war, WWII, training to be part of a tank crew. Something blew up, I do not know what, and he was hurt. The doctors of the time managed to patch him up with plates in his head, and he lived. He HURT all the time and took to drinking to dull the pain and as far as I know did not hold much of a job. Long story short my dad's folks were about as poor and rough as it gets, and many folks considered them "trash" -- a drunk with his woman and kid in a hovel. He passed and dad ended up being the wage earner as a young teenager. Stayed in school but had to work in a mill for a long time and got married, lived in a trailer in his mom's back yard, 2 kids and the process begins again, right? Not really... he finally managed to get into night school and eventually earned his engineering degree, build a nice home, scraped and saved to send my sister and I to private highschool and college, and here I sit programming a computer for a pretty good living. I know some well to do folks (or kids of such) from my high school days, and some of them are living off mom & dad to this day, and I am getting close to 40. You know the drill, the kids went off to school to get a degree in fingerpainting or whatever and can't find a job, got married and made babies, moved back in with the folks.... sometimes poor folks get motivated and pull out of poverty, kicking and fighting the whole way as they work 2 jobs while taking a class here and there (we need more of these). Sometimes the "productive" folks breed kids that are nothing but mooches and parasites. So, I can agree that poor people should have enough sense to hold off on whelping until they get their feet under them, but this is not china. We do not deny people their rights or cut on their bodies because of their economic or social status. Education programs that recommend that poor people do not have kids, I support that. Snipping the works to ensure they do not have kids... I cannot support that idea. I am sort of ok with cutting off the handouts so people are forced to work their way out of starvation, however. As was said, plenty of "poor" have a car, tv, cigs, cell phones, and more. If they are hungy, its because that cell phone took priority over a burger.

reloading is nice, you can cut them down for target shooting and save some shoulder abuse too. Shooting 100 of these back to back with full power can be a little painful. We have the marlin and its great, added a softer butt pad to tame the recoil and poked an old scope onto it. Loads of fun! Now, you were wanting a 357 pistol. They make 357 lever actions, that way you could share the ammo between 2 guns if you wanted. If you needed more power, say for the longer range or more energy, 30-30 is awesome too. But paper targets won't care which caliber you have...

I got that vibe too, but if the hubby lives there and invited the woman in, pulling a gun is over-reacting and probably criminal, regardless of the social circumstances.

I hope the chattanooga one does not suffer -- lot of people come down to it from however far away. I try to shop there regular though between loading a lot of my own ammo and not having money for guns right now, there isnt much that I need at this time, their related gear section is sort of smallish. It will be awesome if the TN citys can support them, would be nice to see one in at least the larger towns across the state.