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Well the burden of what to do with it is now off my shoulders. I gave it back to him after I learned that his youngest son Casey had been hoping someday his father would pass the rifle down to him. Butch called me this morning and asked if he could have it back because he found out that Casey wanted it but never would ask him straight out for it. I was more than glad to give it back to him so he could pass it down to Casey. I think he is going to take it over to Casey's home soon as he left here. Problem solved and no ones feelings hurt I hope. Thank all of you for your help in identifying the gun and it's origin. Now if I run into an opportunity to get another one I will at least have an idea what I would be getting...... :up:  :up: 

I don't doubt that a lot of it is panic buying but I still put most of the blame on the Walmart Campers and other places that cater to these kind of people just as much. And I don't just blame the scalpers as much as I blame to stores that allow it to take place. You will never convince me that the management does no know what is going on. They should have stepped in a long time ago and put and end to it. It is not just Walmart but all of the stores like Academy, Dicks, and all the big box stores doing it which in turn is putting major pressure on the small business owners that own Gun Stores. Some folks said it is just good competition. I say it is pure good old greed. They have to know that there are employees taking payoffs to favor a small group of the same people every time a load comes in and know exactly which days to be there. The guy at NRange told me that he has a standing order for 22lr from his distributors and he never knows till he opens the boxes whether he will have 22 lr's in the box or not that day. When he does they put them out with a limit on how many per person. He also said he will not say yes or no to someone calling asking if they have any. He just tells them they need to come in and see. I don't know how true that is because I have never called but I don't think he had a reason to lie about it............jmho

The wood on it is in very rough shape as far as scratches go and a few deep chips in the wood also. It does not have the cleaning rod that is suppose to be with it but has the slot where it is suppose to go. The action seem very tight and sound for such an old gun. I do really appreciate my buddy thinking enough of me to give it to me and I have heard many people speak about Mosin's being good guns. It is just something I don't think I would shoot. Has a metal butt plate and my old shoulders don't do well with sudden jolts any more. I hurt my shoulder last summer setting the hook on a large bass and could fish for a week. I did call my buddy and tell him what kind of gun it is because he didn't know either and he is not one that messes to much with them but he did want to see if I could find out what it is.. He has his CCW permit and does carry and does shoot some at the range but not a real gun buff. He said he has heard of them but that is about all.

 I had a buddy that felt great and just went to his doctor for his semi annual checkup and chest xray and the such. Was there about an hour and before he got out of there the doctor had tests ordered for him at local hospital and he said he saw something on the Xray that didn't look good and this and that and he scheduled a battery of tests and had him scared to death before he got out of the office. He was so worry that by the time he got home he was a nervous wreck. For about 6 days until the tests he had all these bad things running through his head and he called me a few times and I tried to calm him down. He kept saying " I don't understand it, I felt great when I went in and now I feel terrible hurt all over and just feel bad". He went for that battery of tests and they found exactly Zero wrong with him physically but as for his mental state his entire personality changed and he is just not quite the same as he once was. I am not the only one that knows him has seen the diference. Hope that clarifies what I was trying to say. 

Gosh!!!!   I really didn't want to re-fight the Civil War when I made to post. I just thought it was kind of unique that after all these years of listening to how great things were in the north and how backwards things where in the South according to the Northerners there sure are a bunch of them wanting to get below the ole Mason / Dixon line really bad these days. I also grew up my 1st 17 years in Illinois Dave and yep, I hunted and fished and did all the same things I and most folks do down here. I will even say this. I have a friend that still lives up there and we hunted and fished all the time while growing up and we took loaded guns into the small town we lived in. During hunting season for Rabbits and Squirrels and other small game we could shoot with 22's we even pack single action six shooters in western style fast draw holsters tied down on our legs like gun fighters and went to town with them loaded. I had a Colt with bone grips and Dave had  Ruger with wood grips. Not one person said a thing or thought anything about it. Everyone in town knew we hunted and many folks got free wild game from us cleaned and ready to cook. In case anyone is interested back when Dave and I were kids we did a lot of hunting and the pistols were for shooting rabbits that were setting tight and we could shoot them without filling them with lead BB's Even the police chief would get rabbits from us to make his Hausenpheffer(spelling) rabbit dinners with. He knew the pistols were loaded and never said a word. So yea I grew up with guns all my life, Even up there. I think I mentioned that i am a half breed. Half Yankee and half Hillbillie and was proud of it but it was never an issue. We came down ever summer for Vacation and stayed with my Grandpa on his big ranch and my father always said he wanted to retire down here near my mothers people and in 1967 we moved South and lived in a beautiful Log home that was built in 1850 that was located on the ranch. The only thing I missed and to this day still miss is my buddy Dave from up there. I speak with Dave often and he said I would not recognize our hometown now. It is a suburb of Chicago. He finally moved to Streator Illinois near the rest of his family when he retired. Point is I didn't plan on starting a major North South Feud but thought it was kind of funny that the North had all this great stuff going in their favor with manufacturing and had the Auto Workers Union and all the Iron and Steel Workers unions and everything else they could stick a  union in and control and they bankrupted all of them and now they are driving the Firearms manufacturing  out with their stupid laws and now all the people in the North want to come down here. I don't mind if they move down here but don't expect me to change my way of life to suit them cause that ain't happening. I still throw my hand up and wave when I am out in the country and pass an on coming truck or car and normally they wave back. I also honk at friends on their front porches in the summer time down home near our old ranch. Country is still country down there.  If I cross a line i should not have cross i am sorry...............but it's jmho

Thanks for the congrads and  I hope you enjoy shooting yours but I have no intentions of pulling the trigger on this relic or purchasing any ammo for it either. I actually only took it to keep from hurting my buddy's feeling because he really thought he was giving me something special. He was really impressed that it had it's own bayonet!!!

Ok so now I have figured out it is not older than me. It is a Chinese weapon and was made in 1954 according to numbers on top plate. as far as import markings I still have no clue????

  My buddy said as best he can remember he put it in the closet about 15 years ago and forgot it was even there till he got to cleaning out what he calls his junk room and closet and he knew I was into guns so he called me up and told me to stop by and when I did he gave it to me.  If there are any import marks on it I would not know where to look or what to look for. This thing was made before I was born as best I can figure.

Well I may have a Mosin but I ain't got no use for one but it was free so I took it...................My Mother always told me if it's free take it so I did!!!

I just went on the web site link here and it showed two of the Russian models and the measurements are correct but it does not have any of the same markings such as the Star or anything like that on it. It appears to have some type or oriental lettering on it instead along with several numbers. It did or does have that later model ear on the bayonet it showed in the picture so I guess I am still not sure what it is?

Well I have been doing some reading and it looks like the South is winning the war this time.  So far the Yankee unions are not allowed in the any Auto plants south of Mason / Dixon line and ahve to get in all of them and to date the Yankees have lost at least 5 Firearms companies to South or southwestern States. Don't look to good for the Yankees right now huh? They also didn't get into the Boeing Plant when they tried to force their way into South Carolina Boeing Plant  .......................jmho

  I heard that too but I thought they may have been praising God that they didn't kill any of their own people but it may have been because it flew about 25 feet before blowing up...................jmho

A buddy of mine was cleaning out a closet he has been putting off for sometime and he finally decided to do it today. He called me up and told me he had something to give me and when I got there this is what he gave me. I have no clue what it is so I am hoping some of you guys in this section can help me identify it. Only markings I can find are right on top of gun just in front of Bolt . I am thinking it is Japanese but that is a guess. Any help would be greatly appreciated. [URL=http://s218.photobucket.com/user/softbaitmaker/media/Expendable%20projectiles%20machines/PictureorVideo084_zpsf8652877.jpg.html][/URL] [URL=http://s218.photobucket.com/user/softbaitmaker/media/Expendable%20projectiles%20machines/PictureorVideo080_zps1e93988b.jpg.html][/URL] [URL=http://s218.photobucket.com/user/softbaitmaker/media/Expendable%20projectiles%20machines/PictureorVideo083_zpsc9302ddc.jpg.html][/URL]

Well all I can say is New York and Bloomberg picked this fight and looks like the only winner in this fight is the South....................jmho

I have had friends go to the doctor feeling great and just there for a check up and they are sick and dying 30 minutes later according to the doctor. If your not sick when you go you will be by the time you leave.................jmho

  I guess you do have a few good points but you can bet if I hear someone scream out those words they better not have anything in their hands but the Koran and nothing around his or her waist but to sash or a robe or they may get shot. That is not just my viewpoint but I hear many friends say pretty much the same thing. I don't and won't find fault with any one praising their God at all ever. But you can bet if they get loud I'm going to be ducking and looking.....................jmho

This has become all I really believe any more and I wish I didn't feel that way but they have left me little choice. I know that not all of Islam feels that way but since I hear more negative feels all the time about America I think most hate us and there are more that hate us than like us. [URL=http://s218.photobucket.com/user/softbaitmaker/media/Misc/911putruckartwork_zps2adbf295.jpg.html][/URL]

   maybe so but I heard the words   Allah Akbar a few to many times in that short Video to want to send them a pack of Black Cat firecrackers. That was the exact same thing that maniac was screaming while he was shooting and killing our troops at Ft.Hood...................jmho

And to think it is people like this that our President wants to help by sending weapons to them.  That is a really scary thought...............jmho

I made sure I got my Last Will and Testament completed signed and notarized and I have an executor and a back up executor in case the firsts one is unable to carry out my requests. I am giving away everything I want my family members to have while I am alive and I have a Cremation bought and paid for along with the container. Since I am the owner of my own private Family Cemetery my burial will be no issue. I will be buried right next to my Oldest son as my wife is buried on the other side of him. The Cemetery is cared for by a foundation so family is not responsible for upkeep. It is a quite large Cemetery of 4.9 acres and my family all have endowments and plot numbers they have picked out in our family plot section. Upon my death the Cemetery remaining land/property will pass on to the Foundation and all remaining land and plot locations not located in family plot will become the property of the foundation. This is all in writing and is all registered with the county in which the cemetery is located. The Foundation is and will be required to up keep and maintain any and all the ground with in the cemetery for the future in return for it receiving any and all ground and or land beyond the family plot which is also in writing. I made it possible for my family members to be relieved of any and all responsibilities regarding making arrangements for my death. All decisions have been put in writing and witnessed and notarized. I have seen far to many grieving families taken advantage of by Funeral homes and directors and I didn't want my family members to have to make those choices. What if any small amount of actual money that may be left will be split equally between my daughter and my son if they are still living at the time of my death. If only 1 is alive that person will receive what ever money may be left. That is also in the writing of my Will.       Believe me when I say everyone needs to have a Last Will and Testament and you can even go one step farther as I did and I also have a complete Living Will relieving my family of making any of the hard decisions in the event of any long term illness that may fall upon me requiring hard decisions to be made. They won't be required to make them as I have made the myself.   Just extra food for thought.....................jmho     

I have no clue what those politicians are thinking when they write laws they know they can never enforce and just hope and pray the people are stupid enough to follow them. I guess they don't have anything better to do than to sit around and think of ways to piss off the people in their state.....jmho

I say with this particular criminal, since he likes blowing people up they should take him out in the middle of a big open field, strap a pound of C-4 his chest and put him in a straight jacket, Secure him to a post, plug in a detonator and put it on a 24 hour clock with a set time to explode. Just don't tell him what time it is set for and let him think long and hard about what he did before it goes off. Let the buzzards have whats left......................jmho

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Those things are jokes!!!!!   It said on top   "We the people, Our voices in Washington. Don't know if this is a headline or news flash but We the People no longer have a voice in Washington. These petitions are trashed as soon as they are received because most people don't even fill them  out properly and unless you dot every i and cross every T they are thrown out. When filling out most of them yo have to give them your entire life history and I think they already have enough of my history without volunteering them any more.............jmho