leroy

I've been whatchin this one for some time.  I, like many of our brother and sister opiners here, am concerned at the "militarizing" idea.   Havin said that, i think the only solution is pressure on elected officials.    I've believed for a long time that the city police force thing has been way out of hand in lots of juristictions (...not all...) due to the fact that police chiefs are appointed and not elected. There seems to be no greater "rush" for the would be dictators and sourlands politicos and the political class (...with the possible exception of spending and looting the citizen's money....) than to have a SWAT type group of "police" at your beck and call ALA Bloomberg and Menino (...Boston...) to give the "muscle" to do whatever the machine wants.   I think one of the main reasons you have the SWAT type operation abuses (...and over-uses...) in big cities is exactly because of this.  Look at the Boston thing as a great example.  The scenes from Boston look like somethin that i saw as a kid comming from the Communist Block.   It's un-American on it's face.   This militaristic policing concept is basically un-american on it's face... It points right back to the problem that i believe is endemic to the "big cities" (...and some other locations as well...); the problem of being a "serf" and a "subject" that bows to the political class, no matter the offense or incursion on the rights of the citizenry.  There are many in the political class and in the citizenry would have you go right back to the european fiefdom model to be "subjects" rather, than retaining the american model where you are a "citizen".  It's the battle (...as my 24 year old is fond of saying...) of the "New World and the "Old World"; nothin else.     Many in the inner cities have no notion of what it means to be an American, to live in the "New World", and to enjoy the freedoms we take for granted here.  They seem to have no notion that there was a war over these very offenses that are now common.   I think this is an over-arching problem in the blue states and cities where machine politics runs everything.  But, for the most part, that seems to be what folks in those locations like...  I they like it, so be it.... Just dont bring it down here.   Sheriffs, by way of contrast, are elected, so they have to be in tune with the citizenry, so to speak.  I'll grant that there are abuses there, but there is a mechanism to handle the problem if it gets out of line.   RE:  The federal bureaucratic, alphabet SWAT thing (...FBI, INS, IRS, DEA, KGB, NSA, on and on....): Ive been waitin for one of the federal SWAT bunches to commit a heinous enough blunder (...they will, sooner or later, they always do...) to gin up support at the federal level to stop this foolishness.  This one will be a slam dunk when it goes up against the Bill of Rights (...i think...) due to the Fourth Amendment thing and the ability of congress to defund certain activities within the ABC organizations specifically.   As other have wisely opined, I think that the drug laws and the seisure laws are way out of hand everywhere; and i dont understand why some fortunate son hasnt made this a federal issue ALA the Fourth Amendment.   In sumary, i believe this one is simmering (...witness the WSJ article, in and of itself....) and may boil over if the right set of circumstances come up.  This one needs fixin, and it needs fixin bad.    leroy

Be careful who you vote for.   I would expect that you would have someone like Behan in Oak Ridge, because of the "inner city" thing and the influx of outsiders to the Oak Ridge metro area.  I am puzzled at the Maryville thing.  They usually keep things pretty sane in Blount County. Havin said all that; never overlook the obvious.  It could be about the money.  Bloomberg is passin out money, enough said....   leroy

Good shootin!  Thanks for posting the pics.   leroy

It wuz propaganda for the "core of the democrat faithful", beings of "lower estate, and the "low information children" man..... .  This is his way of softening the blow to the faithful that even the "In-Justice" department aint gonna touch this one.  It's political pandering, nothin more... . The last thing barak obama is is "presidential"; hell, he aint even pro american; and he sure aint for "justice for all".... .   They know they cant win.   leroy

Remember; its all about justice... Nothin more.... Check this out: http://moonbattery.com/?p=33470   leroy

He cant apologize for me bro; i didnt do nothin... The hell with Chris Matthews.   leroy

  HEHEHE..!!!   Keep up the good work. leroy

Related stuff.  Very interesting editorial from National Review.  RE:  Politics and influence in state (...Fla...) government.  Republican government by the way: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/353734/politics-and-justice-florida-ian-tuttle/page/0/1   leroy

I figure they are drillin a dry hole.   Nothin but pandering to their base.   leroy

I'm an old coot and ive never seen a "bad" leuopold scope.  They used to be the standard by which all others were measured; no matter the price.   leroy

Dont worry about Holder; even "king Barak" cant repeal the second amendment.  If they could've they would've.  Just keep the heat on your stinkin political class representatives and your powder dry.   Watchin (...and armed...) leroy

Check these two articles out.  RE:  "...the race problem...." and "...stand your ground...."   http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323394504578608182550247030.html?mod=rss_opinion_main   http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/16/blacks-benefit-from-florida-stand-your-ground-law-at-disproportionate-rate/   Interestin read. leroy

Congratulations Mike.  I've been carryin a black handled left handed one for about a month now.  They are a great thing.   Enjoy! leroy

I had forgotten about Tiger Balm until your post re-reminded me.  The first analgesic balm i ever saw wuz Tiger Balm.  We used it when i played highschool football.  It's good stuff.  I'll have to hunt some down.   Thanks for posting this and re-reminding me! Hope ya stay better. leroy

As others have wisely opined; how is he gonna know?  Who cares about him and his panderin buddies.  Who cares whether he comes (...or goes...) anywhere.  I sure dont.    I bet his bodyguards are carryin and know about thuggery; but that is just reserved for the "annointed" and "enlightened ones"; not us rustic "crackers".   I say he's just another race baitin child.   Stevie wonder and others like him have no idea about "bad times" and discrimination, and it makes me sick to hear these jackasses bray.   Here in east tennessee (...lafollette...) there was another black artist named William Howard Taft Armstrong.  We know him today as "Louie Bluie" (...now dead...), a great jazz artist.   His early life was spent "across the tracks" where the only folks that would have anything to do with black folks were the poor italians who also worked the mines and blast furnaces with the black folks; and built the coke ovens and did the stonework for the LaFollette Iron and Steel Company (...closed in 1934, i think...).     The leading citizens of the hamlet that became lafollette told the owners of LaFollette Iron and Steel: "...You can bring them here, but we better not see 'em and we better not hear 'em...".  These truly discriminated against folks got up early, caught the LaFollette Coal and Iron Train; went to work before daylight and came in after dark, minded their business, mined the coal, built the stonework, tended the blast furnaces, made the iron, and put up with being "...not seen and not heard..."; all the while providing for and raising their families while doin it.   Contrast that to this dammed welfare driven maitriarcial society ya have today; where folks stay on the dole for generations, make babies with multiple fathers, and bitch about everything.    By the way, ole Louie said in an interview one time that the italians (...white guys...) taught him how to play the mandolin and violin.   They were the only folks that would associate with him.   Think about that one for a bit....   He had an old time band called the "Tennessee Chocolate Drops", but they couldnt make any money.  They went to Chicago, and the rest is history.   I say the hell with these overpriviledged race baiting children; but ive already said that.  They make me sick.   leroy

Ms (...?...) Corey appears to be the republican equivalent of "Mother Justice" Reno; another noted Florida Prosecuting Attorney (...from miami, i think....).  Think about it.   leroy   PS -- Thanks for takin the time to post the other articles....

Spiffy:  We used to buy trap loads by the case from Gamaliel Shooting Supply, Gamaliel, KY.  Web address here:  http://www.gamaliel.com/   They are good folks and have reasonable prices.  They have been in business for years.    My take on the reloading of shotshells thing is this.  You have to use the same components ..... period....  You cant mix federal, ww, flochi, etc etc --- ya get the picture... hulls and buy whatever components are the cheapest; it never works.    I've loaded WW trap loads (...12 gage, 2 3/4 dram... 1 1/8 oz shot, ...) loads literally by the thousands.  We had zero problems.  We used the same components (...WW Double A hulls, WW double a wads, 209 primers and Red Dot powder...).  We did all this on a humble MEC 600 jr.  If you are dead set on reloading shotgun hulls; i would sugguest that ya decide on the components and powder recipe ya like and stick with it.    Havin said that, we found that if ya count the first cost of the hulls; loaded rounds from Gamaliel were just about as cheap as the ones we loaded on the 600 jr.  After the first cost of the hulls; the reloads got cheaper.  That wuz in the early eighties.  It's been a long time since then.   leroy   leroy

The race baiters, the black injustice cottage industry, and the chicago style(....and other inner city education elites...) teachers unions have done their work well.  They have made the next generation dumber and more intolerant than its predecessor generation.  How could anyone put up with that is beyond me.    leroy

This aint exactly a "zimerman" thing; but it relates directly to the "field full of what-if" in the zimmerman affair RE: Confronting a minor. Take the time to read this post and think about it a bit: http://moonbattery.com/?p=33201   This is about a 17 year old beatin down a 29 year old policeman and killin him with his bare hands.   Here is the El Paso Times link:http://www.elpasotimes.com/tablehome/ci_21843760/teen-accused-el-paso-officers-fatal-beating-indicted   Remember, these kids aint dangerous, just misunderstood.     leroy

I agree.  He needs to have a full ride at Florida c/o a deal with the Florida state government as part of his malicious prosecution deal.  Ot, he might want to take the high road and go to a smaller, more honest law school.  There are some out there; and they all aint liberal.   leroy

  Glockster, you are like me.  What seez said in his post above RE: the "...others --- 49 pockets, 51 navies, 62 pocket police, ...". was exactly true.  I had a good buddy that literally begged me to buy 51 navies and 62 pocket police in the presentation case with the tools for $270 each when these came out.  Naturally i didnt; and ive been sorry ever sense.  Any time you see a second generation colt percussion model of any flavor at the $300 mark; its a helluva deal (...take a look at Collectors Firearms and Cherrys fine guns...).   I wish i had borrowed the money and bought a pair of everyting they built.   leroy

Just did the math out of curiosity.  300 fps is about 204 miles per hour.  That's pretty fast. (...88 fps is 60 mph...)   leroy

  OS is right here.  I also see George and others involved in this case on the "rubber chicken" speaking circuit.  I dont like chicken; but im interested in hearing his thoughts.  I hope he is outgoing enough to do the speaking thing.  Inquiring minds want to know about the absolute impartiality and fairness of the florida criminal justice system.... .    Maybe ole George can save up enough garbanzos to go to Law School.     On a personal basis, i would like to see ole George go to the U of Fla on a full scholarship paid for by panderin Angela Corey and pimpin Ben Crump.  The Corey one might just happen--- here's hopin....   leroy

As a matter of florida law (...and law everywhere else, for that matter...); i wuz puzzled at how a state's prosecutor could bring criminal charges without going to the Grand Jury for a True Bill.  This is what i found: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bennett-l-gershman/george-zimmerman-grand-jury_b_1445714.html   Another reason to believe the political pandering thing.  Way too much leeway given to the state's prosecutor and his, her, it's buddies i think.   leroy

We've wasted lots of bandwith here on the "what if's" all this.  Some of it pretty well reasoned and some of it childish and onesided; but that is the nature of things pretty much everywhere.   There are several things that are for sure here: 1.   Mind your business (...Z-Man, stay in your truck,  Dear sweet Trayvon, dont beat that "creepy a**ed cracker" followin me down, bro...). 2.   If you have an encounter be careful and courteous; your inquisitor could be armed and he may, in fact, know how to shoot.   Dont be in the business of teaching leasons to anyone.  The lesson might go wrong. 3.  Choices in life have consequences.  Some of them can be life-changing, some life-ending.  We all know how that one worked out. 4.   The "tribal ones" and "race baters" will never be placated nor will they they be appeased.   That's the one everyone needs to think about a bit.   No amount of law, verdict, nor facts will convince the "race-bating" community and their childish followers that justice has been served any time there is a black-white conflagration.   Everyone needs to think about that one a bit.    We have had six years of the post-civil war reconstruction redux here, a president that opined that "...if he had a son he would look like Trayvon...", an  US attorney general that mounted and facilitated a witch-hunt to take a "cracker"s scalp using your and my money to do so, a morally and ethically bankrupt bunch of carpet baggers and "crackers" in the florida state government that sought to make political hay from the death of a young man and a little old man who had to shoot him to keep from gettin killed, a bunch of dispicable parents that cravenly tradmarked "Trayvon" and "Justice for Trayvon", presuably to go into the business of profiting from their son's death, a high profile black lawyer callin in favors from the state, federal, and race baiting movers and shakers to get his way in a malicious prosecution in a self-defense case; the list goes on and on...   My take away from all this is that there are more places where we are more divided than ever and no amount of talk is gonna fix it.  The race baiters and their sickening political allies have done their jobs well.  This country has been balkanized, and more and more folks fully understand that.  They are retreating to their homes and arming themselves, and for good reason.   They cant trust their neighbors (...in some locations...), they cant trust government for obvious reasons, and the list goes on and on.  We are living in precarious times.   leroy