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Richard.  Your points are well taken; and i understand the viewpoint.  I hope im right too.    Im a relatively old coot (...66...).  I watched as they reported JFK's death and saw LBJ declare "War on Poverty" and the beginning of the "Great Society".  I saw Viet Nam, and watched Nixon wave goodbye.  In my lifetime; government has gotten bigger and bigger and more intrusive and corrupt just as you suggest with the "soft tyranny" thing; all in the name protecting us from some nameless, faceless, monstrous implacable enemy (...first the russians, then the communists in indo china, then the red chinese, then sadam hussein, then islamic terrorist, now domestic terrorists....) or helping more people who "are less fortunate than we are" by picking the pockets of those who work instead of wait for the "dole"..   The present regieme has taken that even further and kicked the can way down the road toward authoritianism, added a good dose of high handed, "in your face" distain for the citizenry, and has managed to make everyone who wuznt payin much attention; start to pay attention and get madder.   I've never seen folks more polarized than they are today.  I've also never seen them more informed.  The internet blog thing has (...i think...) made it impossible for the gubmt to lie to the total population with the help of a complicit media as they did in FDR's day and in Viet Nam.  Someone is always watching, calling their hand, and publishing the news for the world to read.  That's why you see statist idioits like Linsey Graham and other old time polititians breathing out threats and musing aloud about "First Amendment Protections" for internet bloggers.  They are gettin caught red handed right and left.  If they lie about somethin; someone in the bloggisphere calls their hand.   No one under the age of 60 or so pays attention to the big media; they know they are lyin about everything anyway.  I've got a 24 year old son that never has watched the evening news or read a newspaper except to sneer at it; and he is not alone in that.  His news comes from the bloggisphere.  I count that a good thing.   On the state political scene; state legislatures are talkin seriously about nullification of federal laws.  Nullification threats and actions have not happened since before the Civil War.  Youve got sheriffs of every county in Colorado (...except two, i think...) saying they wont enforce state laws that conflict with Constitutional rights ALA the Second Amendment.  The federal government growls and barks at the states, but they aren't doin anything. I think the federal government, for the most part, is all schoolyard kid bark and no bite.    I think you are seeing and will continue to see a weakening of the federal government's power; with a corresponding increase in autonomy of the individual states (...just, i think, as the Founding Fathers envisioned...).  The red states will get redder and the blue ones will get bluer.   Again, i hope and pray im right.  The alternative is too terrible to think about.   leroy

  I simply cant let this one go any further.   I want to say this as kindly as possible; but I simply dont believe that a "historical blueprint" of any kind that follows some european or chinese model is applicable to the USA.  I will grant that those in power would like to apply it; and we can quibble that there are areas where it has been applied (....think the ultra blue northeast here....); but it cant be applied everywhere.   Here's why (...i think, anyway....):   The "Soviet" and "Chinese" historicity is one of "serfs and masters".   It is completely different from the American mindset of liberty and freedom.  The difference between europe (...the old world...) and china (...the real old world...) is this "serf and master" thing.    When Peter the Great built St Petersburg, he killed his own people by the thousands doin this work.  They did it because they were cowed from the "serf and master" fiefdom thing.  Later when "Uncle Joe Stalin" ran things; the ruskies would die in droves at the hands of the 'aryan supermen" in tanks because they were more afraid of Stalin than they were the Germans; and i think that shows a real, abject fear...  The same thing went on countless times with the chinese dynasties and the chinese people.     The difference between the "old world" and serfdom (...which, by the way; i will grant that, the current crop of democrats and some willing republicans in power now, are trying mightily to bring to the new world --- the USA...) is that the original settlers to this country rebelled against serfdom and came to the new world (...later to become the USA...).  We are used to freedom here; we are the most free country in the world.  That's why everybody wants to come here; includin the muslums of the world.   Dont worry about "historical blue prints" that fit the "old world" mold.  They wont work here; thankfully...  Look at the hell that was raised at Manchester the other day when a US attorney had little enough sense to poke a few "delightful rustics" and constitutional government minded citizens the other day.  There were more protesters there with signs than there were members of this "supposedely put upon and persecuted" religious sect.   For the duration of the Obama administration, there have been approximately 47,000 NCIS checks on gun purches every day; hardly the mark of a "cowed population" ready to become serfs.    I say watch what they do, and keep the pressure on.   The "old world" blueprint aint workin too good here (...thank God...).   Remember, there is a presidental election every four years.  Vote early and often.   "new world" leroy

  I've tried to stay out of this turn in the thread; but i cant help myself.  Chuck is exactly right here.  With regard to our "intervention" in wars.  We can do as much "armchair quarterbacking" as we want; but there are some things to consider here:   Number One:  Mindin your own business aint a bad idea and it was the original constitutional doctrine of the original Founding Fathers.   Number Two:  We pretty well minded our business except for the barbary pirates until the Mexican war.  That seemed to work pretty good.   Number Three:  The two most unpopular wars we fought were the Mexican and Spanish-American wars.  We can quibble about what started the Mexican war as a "just war"; but the Spanish-American war wuz an imperialistic, aggressive war pure and simple.   Number Four:  The First World war should not have been paid for in american blood (...i think...).   We had no strategic interest in WW1.  There was a pretty powerful isolationist sentiment which should have stopped our entrance into the war for a long time.   The zimmerman telegram and the sinking of the Lusitania by German U-Boats stirred up public sentiment that Wilson (...a liberal or "progressive"...) needed to persuade congress to declare war on the axis.   There are those who believe that the germans warned the USA not to provide arms to the Allies and posted news articles saying to stay off of ships bound for the allied powers' shores.   Number Five:  Bananna wars in central america.  Pure american imperialism.  See Smedley Butler's book: "War is a Racket"..   Number Six:  WW2.  It can be argued that onerous WW1 reparations placed on Germany paved the way for WW2 in europe; and i think that there is great merit to that arguement.  The Japan thing has been discussed fully, but it would have dragged us into war anyway.  WW2 was pretty much avoidable; but look at the causes in europe especially.   Number Seven:  Modern "police actions".  Korea, Vietnam....  We can sure quibble about them.  Aint gonna go there.   Number Nine:  The "middle east".  I want to say this as kindly as possible; but exactly what "strategic interest" does a rich, mostly energy self sufficient nation like ours have in the "middle east"?  Set the old notions of patriotic pride aside for a few minutes; along with the notion of the "worlds policeman" thing and think about that one a bit.  That's what i had to do.  Once i did that (...at the behest of my 23 year old who is a history student himself...); i came to some sobering conclusions.    Could it be that we are not "protecting freedom" (...which i contend, like Chuck, that we shouldn't be doin anywhere except on our shores...); or are we, as Smedley Butler opined, being guards for the military-industrial complex, and the bankers using american treasure and blood to do so?.  It is, indeed, a sobering thought.  That is why i have become a militant isolationist in my old age.  It took me over 60 years to get there, but ive finally arrived.  Minding your business is the best option if you are not seriously threatened.   leroy

  Thanks Ted!  Interestin read.  Looks to me like there were more "First Amendment" supporters there than muslum faithful..  It looks to me like that Mr Killian got a dose of "First Amendment" speech.  Lots of it painfully true.   A special thanks for all of those who passed out the lesson.   leroy  

All:  Check this out: http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20130602/NEWS01/306020065/Rash-of-Kentucky-lawyer-suicides-concerns-colleagues?odyssey=underbox|text|Home&nclick_check=1   Very interesting read.  Could it be the result of a steady diet of conflict between knowing the truth in your "heart of hearts" and doing all that is in your professional ability to exhonerate the guilty?  Real food for thought.     leroy   PS -- I know that my musings are cold and unkind...  Could they posibly be right?

  My hilite.   Hersh is exactly spot on on this.... He is dead right....  It is designed and contrived with the intent of scaring the citizenry and chilling dissenting speech and other protected activities.    This is nothin more than a potential (...and i repeat, potential...) method to harass dessenters from the "pathway to utopia" via the "chicago way" carried out by an arm of the Executive Branch of the federal government with arrest power and a de facto license to shoot the citizenry if it resists during official visits. The power to use the courts to harass "political enemies" (...read that as citizens who wont bow down and dont agree with the regieme's policies and actions....) and to use federal officers armed with the power shoot interviewees in the performance of these "official intervews" and harassing legal proceedings is the big concern.  That's why this is a potentially serious thing; despite our giggling about it.  It is, in fact, government out of control.   The actual issue, whowever, is more "Gibson exotic wood raid" and "IRS audit" stuff.  It is malicious investigation and harassment of political enemies.    Our esteemed U S Attorney for East Tennessee full well knows a citizen cannot be prosecuted for expressing their views that meet the "protected speech" rules under the First Amendment.  If ya dig around in these court rulings you will see the justices refer to issues of a public nature (...that is, issues such as questions as to the conflict between people groups as to religion --- Muslum vs Judism vs Christianity; theoracy vs republican government; shria law vs constitutional law, taxes, potential questionable biological heritage of polititians and bureaucrats,  ... bla bla bla... ya get the picture...) as "protected speech".  He has to know that.   leroy

Thanks for posting this Tanker.  I saw it the other day and chortled a bit.  Ive got zero confidence that a university tenured journalism puke is gonna do anything; but i gotta admire the style. Their problem is they aint very credible as "death angels" to their imagined enemies. I simply cant imagine these university types as SS "death angels"....   He aint gonna take up his sword and carry anything out.  It's the usual statist, elitist windbaggery.   By the way; i wonder if this "threat and exhortation to do bad things" can be prosecuted under the "insightment to do violence"  statute ALA our great US AG for East Tennessee's intrepretation RE: the muslum community....?   Maybe he will stand up for the NRA members in Tennessee and interview and fully investigate this potentially "dangerous" person.  How about a civil rights seminar and meeting for us "Tennessee NRA Rustics"....RE:  our rights...?   Typical empty, childish, school yard hyper-speech for the nut fringe wing fringe of socialist academia i say.  Red meat for the "low information children" and statist weenies.   I'm kinda like Grand: i say: "....come on down any time ya feel like startin the extermination.  Why wait?  No better time than now...".   NRA leroy, gunowner

I'm not as kind and reasonable as some are.  Frank Lautenberg was a grandfatherly old man and grandpaw to someone who loved him; and i'm willing to concede and accept that fact.  He was also one of the most dangerous statist sons of Marx that made it way too entirely long (...in my view...) into the twenty-first century.  He and others like him have done this country and its citizens great harm and no one who loves freedom should be sad that he is gone to his reward.   Frank Lautenberg was a thoroughly dangerous opportunistic man; and was no friend to this country, freedom, or the Constitution. He could have just as well been decorated with the Order of Lennin for his service to socialism, as he could have been a WW 2 veteran.  As others have opined; i wonder which side he fought on....?   His votes, "public service", and belief system gave us people like Barak Obama and this pseudo socialist government we have today. He has pillaged the pockets of citizens, taken their rights, and enriched himself and his sorry associates for many a year.  People like Frank Lautenberg believe that folks like us "delightful rustics' are a rabble to be controlled and serfs to pony up whatever the "ruling elites" demand.   Frank Lautenberg (...and others like him....)  brought old world belief systems and serfdom to the new world.  They believed that they were the "best and brightest" and that the citizenry was a rabble to be controlled and to be made to bow down to these "ruling elites"; just as they have been made to do in New Jersey and New York.  If he had have had his way; the "New Jersey and New York" way would have been made the law of this entire land.   Dont be sad that he is dead.  You can be polite to the family; but dont gloss over the truth.  Remember this; everybody blesses us in some way; some by staying and helping, some by leaving.  Thank you Lord that You have called this dangerous man to his reward.   leroy

I concur with those who recommend short barrel pump shotguns for home defense.  I really like the mossberg 500 series guns that have the safety on top of the tang instead like the old remingtons and winchesters side safeties in front of the trigger guard.  I've got a short barrelled browning BPS beside my bed with a tang safety (...they are bottom eject shotguns; the mossberg and most others are side eject...).  I chose it because i got a good buy on it from a buddy here on  TGO; and because im a shotgun "junkie".  It's a plane jane 18 inch pump with a magazine extension.  It is loaded and ready to go (...one in the chamber...). Nightrunner is exactly right in his post above. Should trouble come; you need to be ready.  All i have to do is push the safety forward should (...God forbid...) i need it in some terrible situation.  I like the 2 3/4 loads for the 12 gage guns.  We can quibble about which shot size is best; but at household ranges it aint gonna make much difference.  I would recommend (...as others have done as well...) a set of good sights.   The only other point i would make is to handle and shoot your shotgun until you are absolutely familiar with it.  Many times we overlook this point in our discussions, because we automatically assume everyone else is a regular shooter, but ya need to be able to handle your weapon of choice without havin to look at it or without tryin to remember where everything is.  You need to know with certainity how to operate it.  Get yourself a bunch of reasonably priced ammo and burn a bunch of it thru your shotgun.  Get familiar with it.  It's a skill ya need to cultivate, its fun and it may be (...God forbid...)  necessary if that terrible day comes when you have to level it at an intruder or nut to stop him.   Hope this helps leroy

They look good!!!   Keep up the good work. leroy

He has got to know better than this.  My take on it is that he is a lap dog for the Obamaites trying to fool the muslum population (...and other low information children...) into believing there are limits on free political speech.   It's nothing but pandering to the "blue state children".  This has already been ruled on.  You cannot muzzle free political speech; no matter how heinous it may seem to some readers or hearers or seers.  The constitutional lawyer types on both sides of the political spectrum would love to see him make a move on this one.  They may come and give someone a little talkin to and 'interview" them under the guise of a factfinding mission; but they will never prosecute anyone.  They cant afford to.  Remember the Ted Nugent speech at the NRA convention (...http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/secret-looking-ted-nugent-violent-anti-obama-message-225142639.html     ...) ?   Check this one out too:  http://archive.firstamendmentcenter.org/Speech/internet/news.aspx?id=24103   Check this one out too:  http://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/get-involved/legal-concepts/rule-law/express-unpopular-views.aspx     I say its a bluff, nothin more.   leroy

This "gay scout" thing is another accommodation to the "balkanization" of america by those who hate the system and intend to re-write the immutable laws.  The Boy Scouts (...and others, some of them churches...) have chosen to accomodate the whims of pop culture; the current whim is "...its ok to blab and brag about your sexuality and orientation....".  I think this move is probably the death knell to the current Boy Scout organization.     I think the issue of the BSA and the church is an "apples and oranges" thing.  Heres why:  The BSA is a private, benelovent institution that teaches self-reliance and morality (... check the scout oath out here:     The "rub" here is two fold.  The first is the definition of "morality".  The "old definition" called homosexuality a perversion; hardly a morally straight condition.  The "new definition"; applied in the military and in other sectors today by our political masters , is "...its ok to be homosexual....; its simply a lifestyle choice....".   What you have here is a re-definition of morality (...endorsed by government and other interest groups eg: "...group morality...) that changes the "old definition".  "Evolution as some would say.  I wuz a boy scout myself many years ago; and i simply dont remember the issue of sexual orientation comming up as part of the "Boy Scout Way".  The reason; homosexual behavior (...as well as promiscuitous behavior...)  was considered immoral behavior that no polite society talked about; and the Boy Scouts and their supporters well understood it to be so.  There may have been those in the ranks of the BSA that were "gay" and some were probably "promiscuitous", but they were quiet.  I think that was exacly has they should have been.    This current move is nothing more than the destruction of an organization that has done much good as a sacrifice to the "god of tolerance".   In this country we are busily killing off any semblance of "biblical morality" as somehow "intolerant".  This is simply the product of the "jhadist" who whant to change the immutable rules.  "GLT" jhadism is simply the latest iteration.  My guess is that the BSA has been murdered at the hands of the jhadists and the accomodators to pop culture.   As to the church thing (...taking a stand against certain behaviors and organizations...).  It should be understood that the church is a "house of prayer" and a "haven for the lost sinner" and a non-judgmental place where the Gospel Message can be heard and accepted if the affected soul wants to be accepted into the Family of God.  God calls the lost to Salvation.  That means everybody; saint, sinner, jhadist, gay boy scouts, gay non-scouts, everybody;.... period.... .   That means that the door should be open as to salvation.  Scripture teaches (...and i believe them...) that God loves the sinner and hates the sin.   That means that all who are willing are welcome.  The correctly constituted "church" should operate on that model.  This is the "greatest outreach" of the church and the fullfillment of the "Great Commission".    There are some qualifications however.  The plain reading of scripture defines immorality in brutally plain terms.  That means that there has to be some inward changes made to the "immoral lifestyle" and the church has the duty to obey the principles of scripture.  Viewed in that light, alone, the church has the right to "turn out" individuals and organizations who do not share the values and principles that the church is founded on.   So this thing cuts both ways; the church is a "home for sinners"; but it also has a duty to  to abide by those principles outlined in scripture.   Thhis whole thing (...in my view...) has murdered the presently constituted BSA, put the church on the spot in some locations, and has given the enemies of God great occasion to blaspheme Him no matter which side of this arguement ya come down on.  The real loosers in this "rewriting of the immutable laws" are society in general, and the Boy Scouts specifically.   Thats how i see things this mornin.   leroy

I dont think ya can beat any of the "today" 1911's; no matter the flavor.  I like the lightweight models myself.  I would love to have a full size lightweight; but ive got other places to put the dollars to...., sadly... .  The CNC tooling revolution has made all the currently made 1911's better than the old colts and essex put togethers were; even those "tuned" by custom gunsmiths.  You could quibble a bit about the bullseye guns like the Gold Cups and the custom target pistols; but i believe the EDC, "reliable" older gunsmithed pistols aint as good as todays off the shelf pistols (...i think...) due to the ease in getting the close tolerances needed for them without a gunsmith rubbin on the parts to tighten them up.  The CNC tolerances are that good.   I say:  Pick out the 1911 ya like with the features ya like for the price ya like; and start shootin.  Ya cant do better as to power, lethality, nor quick rounds on target.  That's why the military likes 'em.  If they were good enough for the great Frank Hamer, they are good enough for any gunfight.  You will enjoy it.  If it hiccups a bit; take it to a local 1911 smith and he can fix anything that needs tweakin a bit; and you will be in business; either as a defensive handgun or for fun.   I carried a lightweight commander (...Colt...) for a while in the "old days"; they are great carryin gun.  I put mine up and switched to glocks because glocks are cheap and the 1911's are gettin too valuable.  I couldnt countenance the possibility of my beloved 1911 sittin in an evidence locker for several years if (...God forbid...) I had to use it in a defensive shootin.  I dont care about the glocks; they are like a hammer or handsaw; but they work very well and carry very well.   Enjoy. leroy

daddyo:  I like your para military!!  It looks good.  Looks to me like ya had a big time at the Blade Show.  That's why i cant go; too many temptations!!  As to spydercos; i like them.   They are light, sharp, and well made.  I EDC a FRN endura 4 in my left front pocket.  It's light, has a four inch blade, and is sharp as a razor.   I keep my ZT 200 or a ZT 700 in my hip pocket; or even an ESEE izula in a "knives ship free" pocket sheath (...looks like a wallet/sheath combination...) depending on what i pick up each mornin.  I'm a "knife junky"myself.    Enjoy!! leroy ps---mike;  You really, really need a spyderco.  HEHEHE.  I think ya would like a military (...4 inch blade...).

Mike:  Glad to see ya got things worked out. I may need to adjust the pivot nut a bit too.  I can flip mine fine; but the blade weight alone wont push to lock up.  I like the 200 too; it's about the right size and blade shape.  I like a big knife that ya can carry in a hip pocket.  Your 200 is the exact fit for that service.   Enjoy! leroy

gn:  After using an old 48 inch/ 18 hp cub cadet for 16 years to mow about an acre; i finally used it all up, gave it away, and bought a "new to me" Hustler Fastrak (...2006 model...).  It has cut my lawn mowing time by about 1/3 (...i have several trees and trim around flower beds and fence...).  It is a 52 inch cut Fastrak with a 20 HP honda. It is undoubtedly the best lawnmower ive ever used.  It's fast, rugged, and runs like a dream.   I gave $2000 for this little jewel that had been retired and traded in on a new model.  As others have said, the zero turn mower is the "tomorrow" of lawn mowing.   I would shop around if i had the time to find a good deal.   Check out a hustler, they are a great machine.   Hope this helps.   leroy

Mike:  Glad to see ya got the ZT200.  It's a great thing.  I slicked mine up a bit by takin a toothpick and greasing the lock mechanism with a bit of my best gun grease (...slip 2000, i think...).  Open the knife and look at the lock.  There is a little raised divot  (...i think to keep the lock sliding friction while the knife blade flips open to a minimum...) on the side of the lockface that rubs the blade as the blade opens and closes.  I used a toothpick point of grease to grease the raised divot and the lock face where it contacts the blade when the lock engages, flipped it open and closed a few times, and my opening action improved a bunch.  Take a look and see what ya think.   Enjoy.   leroy

TLR:  Thanks for posting pictures of this great piece of history.  I love the Walther PP pistols, and this one is very special.  I've got a little CZ 27 myself that is nazi marked with the swastika and eagle.  Mac's post above about covers everything.  That's exactly what i did with the CZ.  It works great.   Thanks again. leroy

HEHEHE... I like it.   Thanks for posting leroy

Im with you Kahrman.  Kitchen plumbing is a nitemare; especially when there is a disposal sittin in the way. I would rather work on a stopped up commode than fool with kitchen plumbing!!   leroy

Snozz is gettin ready for a senatorial or national run for something (...prez i would opine...).  He has to appeal to all sectors of the electorate.  Hence; "haslamspeak" on gun rights and "expanded background checks".  Politics at it's worst.  He is just like the others.  He worships and covets the god of power.  Robert's post above is right.   libertarian leroy

Dear brother and sister opiners; i feel i have lost my "implacable calm" in this issue. I simply cant stand this anymore.  I have a burning need to speak to what i think this case is really about.   Brothers and sisters; this case aint about the possibly wrongful and tragic shooting of a teenager; it's about political opportunism of the worst kind in about a 50/50 carpetbagger/"delightful rustic" state that is of great importance to both political parties.    To my fellow posters who will be agast and "outraged" at this callous statement; please know that im ok with that.  This is a place of opinions and discussion; that means that some aint gonna like the opinions posted; especially this one.  Havin said that, this is my "Trayvon-George" manifesto and my mind's made up.  For once, i aint gonna argue about it.  I'm like Pilate; ive called for the "wash bowl".  I find no fault in zimmerman and think that if trayvon would have minded his own business he would be alive today to continue his thuggish ways.  The big lesson for everybody is that if everybody had have minded their business and acted sensibly, this tragedy, now marketed as a political opportunity would have never happened.    Erck did a good job with the objective facts of this case.  I'm gonna talk about the political implications of this case.   I contend that the extremely white politico carpetbaggers (...and some good ole boy opportunists...) from both up north and down south, both democrat and republican, could care less about "justice for trayvon", george zimmerman, the people of the state of florida, or anyone else in this case.  They care about walking a political titerope between about a 50/50 democrat/republican population and veer on the side that needs "reassuring" to make sure they save their stinkin hides; and thus keeping their stinkin jobs in tact.  They like bein in power, and they like it well enough to use the powers of their positions in unjust ways to keep themselves in power.  They are bold enough to take the chance of using the courts and their position(s) in unjust, even criminal, ways to perpetrate this disgraceful travesty of justice.  They are doin it now, i think, because they know that the chances of federal prosecution for any misdeeds by the judiciary or the prosecutors in this case will never be brought.  It's all about politics, nothing else. Politics in the state of florida first, and red meat for the blue states and "low information children" on a national level next.   This thing aint about justice for all; its about buying votes and support in upcomming elections.   The fall out, of course, is the murdering of the rule of law and justice.  That's what the governor has done and exactly what the prosecuting attorney and judge(s) are doing.  This territory of florida is polarized black and white with the "innocent"/"guilty" thing split right down party lines; and the political class knows it.  As i remember, the black/white population ratio in samford is about 25/75 with a 15/85 ratio in the county; but the general population of florida (...political...) is in the 50/50 range.  That's why the elections are so hot in florida.  Both parties have to go after votes on both sides of the political spectrum; and that's exactly what is goin on here.    The sad fact of this case is that one 18 year old aint gonna get any older and one little guy tryin to take care of his neighborhood have had their lives ended, or changed for the worst.  The people of florida will become more cynical than the already are due the twisting of the law and the use of courts to satisfy political purposes, the citizens of this community (...and others...) will retreat further behind their security fences and be even more afraid of their neighbors they dont know, the "tribalism" this whole dammed thing brings out in people will become stronger, and the rule of law and ethics in elected officials will become less (...if that's possible...).   In the end, nobody is gonna win no matter what happens, and there will damn sure be no justice for anybody in this sorry case.   The political class, in their stinkin lust for votes and pantering to the "low information children" has seen to it.   That's how i see this whole sad, sorry, disgraceful spectacle.  It aint about justice, its about tribal warfare and political calculations.   leroy

I promise ill be careful.  They could go off!!  HEHEHE.   Keep up the good work. leroy

  He is a great guy.  You will enjoy talkin and corresponding with him.   leroy

Dave:_______   RE:  The Civil War re-enactments.  Dont know; but he is a great guy. I thoroughly enjoyed doin business with him.   RE:  Sip.  Price.  $85 each plus $12 shipping (...for both...) via usps.   leroy