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Sad isn't it. Worse thing is its effective on a large audience. And the media keeps incenting these nuts while promoting their agenda. Win win for them. I did see on glimmer of hope: " Odessa Police Chief Michael Gerke refused to say the name of the shooter during a televised news conference, saying he wouldn't give him notoriety" But then: "but police later posted his name on Facebook" Its such an easy concept to not report it. Seems if we ever got that smart, the gun grabbers will claim the right is trying to hide things while managing to bury the much higher incidents of gun violence for non target demographic. Seems a bit racist ironically. Here is one last thing, that is a bit curious to see if it goes anywhere: Abbott said. "Too many Texans are in mourning. Too many Texans have lost their lives. The status quo in Texas is unacceptable, and action is needed."

Please folks....they need our help!

...and reads your forum posts.

OP did mention the min monthly payments, which are pretty standard. But like No_0ne mentioned, the 4% CD is not something you should expect to find, and they vary by geographic area. I haven't seen one for a while. Around here right now, money market accounts are doing better then CD's at around 2% compared to .5 to .75%. Why would you lock money into a CD with numbers like like.

Well, if its any consolation, I guess that makes me a fossil too.

I think its funny y'all dont think someone would not know what a polished blued gun looks like because they would own a Beretta. As entertaining as Dave's ramblings can be, I think he led you astray me thinks with that one crack missing that last posts where only in reference to how one would classify a Beretta finish. Forgot I had previously mentioned not shiny blue but a yucky paint. At his age....probably hard to remember things For what its worth, I do own some of those fossil guns you guys are on about with that shiny blue finish, or whats left of it in a couple cases.

I feel about the same with anything in FDE. Certain cosmetics are love or hate

No such animal exists. The TN guns are no different than the other 92's. As previously mentioned, that grill paint is called Bruniton. Its pretty good stuff, wears well. The 92 I've put over 15k rounds thru in the last 25 years still looks pretty newish.

It sounds like we are all saying the same thing? The biggest difference is there you are making an assumption of 100% QC based on a different product line and experience. Nothing is simply because it is, its allowed and happens from by cause. In this case the finger was squarely pointed at management. Blaming the workers would assume the policy and expectation is known. But they are not cutting cost and upping throughput while keeping or adding more QC with an increased defect rate...that's for damn sure. The problem is every wants to assume they demand high QC on every unit. No one is willing to accept defect rates are allowed to be higher now. And they do not look at every unit thru the process. Either way, management decisions (also their fail for any non compliance). MD has the same issues, not sure why they are seen (today) as better than Gallatin (today). Its a US corporate issue, not isolated to TN. Consumers do drive expectation, or places go out of business. Unless you can make your widgets cheap enough. Its also why products adapt to consumer requests. Where is anyone saying military contracts ARE based on quality?? You perhaps missed the context and meaning they have a negative impact. The only thing that said is the consumer end suffers when a manufacturer also pursues military contracts. For those that don't follow... Make more stuff, faster, quicker. What happens? Less QC (cut corners) to pump units to meet demand as they do not increase personnel and resources proportionally. They will try to get the cost per unit down as they sell to .mil at 1/3 the cost per unit compared to the consumer product. But .mil does not care about QC issues that prevent it from going bang typically, so now you tell QC to go to the lowest common denominator between consumer and the military standard, so certain consumer side QC items go away. Both FN and Sig consumer goods show the battle scars of the their military contracts. Colt was pretty good until their bankruptcy concerns. And are in decline sadly.

Excellent point. No doubt why you can see the consumer end suffer when they move toward military contract supply as in the Sig case. You see it all the time in gun community, where some openly chastise and discourage those that bring up QC issues on new with the 'its a tool and should look used' thinking. No reminding them what resale is on something 100% vs 75% or that here is no manly looking patina price appreciation. When they start giving me guns for free...I'll look passed defects too!

As previously stated, OP was done based on his requirement for high polish since that is not how any standard modern 92 variants come. Italy or no. As far as Gallatin QC. I dont see it relagated to them. MD has issues from what I've seen and even sent back (92G-SD around 2015) and a recent repair. Its more the fact that the current workforce and standards are not what they were many places in the US. In Beretta's case they are being most let down by the machining, whoever or where ever they are made. And that most of their assembly folks seem to have marginal skills using a hammer and punch and like to miss and damage the slides. The current barrel and locking blocks are causing frame damage from rough or incomplete rail cuts that are not chamfered or dehorned. Then slide assemblies forced into place with the barrel out of alignment to the frame rails damaging the aluminum frame rails with heavy chips dragged thru the gun on test fire. That is simple carelessness in assembly, but its also driven by changed in production standards and through put requirements. I got my Volunteer 92G and it was flawless with great build quality, but my 92 Compact L bought at the same time was replaced by Beretta for the aforementioned bad barrel maching (MD issue, not Gallatin). That said, I've sent back two S&W revolvers with overclocked barrels (seriously how hard is that) and a 329PD with a sprung yolk that had the the ejector bushing grinding out the back of the frame. Countless issue with Sigs, I would not buy either a S&W revolver or Sig without hands on and heavy inspection first. If anyone compares a modern Colt M4 to one from just a few years ago....you may be surprised unless you got very lucky. They are grinding extensions to solve feeding problems as well cheaper bolts lacking the level of machining their old ones had, among other things. It's BS. For me, the poster child for poor or non-existent QC while banking on marketing, IS Sig. Hands down. And its gotten worse with their pursuit of .mil contracts. Flame suit on for you P365 bandwagoning first time Siggers. There is a reason why folks want Italian Beretta's and German Sigs. Here is the thing, and its really frowned on here, but folks are having a problem accepting some new realities. Cost reduction is king. Production standards are demanding more volume, less time, and reduced QC as cost cutting measures. And it seems to hit harder in the US. Hard pill to swallow, current American made is not what it once was. And its not 100% the workforce, but their management and bottom line focus. From both profit motivation and simply trying to stay competitive. I want to malign the 18-30 years olds that do the work, I do think its a factor based on a more indifferent attitude, but hard to say if that is the gen versus bad workplace restraints that are causing it.

I imagine one could pick a term that resonates for them to describe it. Its possibly a bit subjective. I don't know what works for most when something if not flat and not shiny, but inbetween but more toward the less reflective side. That assumes of course you have wiped the oil off and are looking at the painted surface If one is fond of house paints...its not semi-gloss, maybe between satin and eggshell?. Seems wrong for a gun,, so I like matte since it has some reflection, but some interpret that to mean flat. What works for you, how would you describe it?

Totally. Surely are focused on putting the weapons at the forefront to create as much negative association with them as they can, and in as close proximity as possible (when they can) to use their favorite buzz words, 'weapons of war'. They are more propaganda machine than news centered it would appear. When you look at them, it sure does seem some where a cry for attention versus a real threat. Wix is a good example. His text messages seem to be intended for that purpose even touching on if they were shared. Wanting to get a 3mile kill shot with a 22 rifle? All sent to an ex girlfriend with implication they use to plan such things when they were together. Doesn't that implicate her as well? That one rings as 100% BS But, hey, you only need to get a few to make it worthwhile (as far as enforcement effort) I still hold all names and personal demographics should be withheld from any real or planned events. It takes away the notoriety they seek. Sadly the Media INSISTS on rewarding these murders and asshats in general with all the attention they want.

In doing this, where you always pulling the trigger at the same time, or did you have occasion to try to remove the fire control unit leaving the trigger bar and unlocking block in place? I was thinking about winding my own sear spring, but am in no great hurry to pull the unlocking block pin out again. Supposedly its more of a problem on the 509T's. @Esko 270 was kind enough to loan out his Apex jig the first (and hopefully only) time around. I'll wait to see what Apex offers if the trigger bar does not swing out enough to remove the FCU by itself.

Hmmm. Feels trappish. Was it the combat crack seeming off color to you? To be fair, most of the time I only compete against myself. So I'd say no, I'll classify it as Range / Target based activity which over time has taken a few forms. I like to homogenize some aspects of guns to keep, feel, manual of arms, and practices similar when possible. Obviously I have a preference for trigger style and you are reading my wish for that based on my other guns that follow this pattern (e.g. 320RX, PPQ Q4, & M&P CORE) that were already about there or had support to do it. I know that does not conform to some folks thought around leaving things stock for reliability concerns or a preference for heavy or poor triggers to guard against AD's when motor skills go out the window if SHTF. These folks tend to think of certain guns, whether they competed for the modular weapon contract or just because they were duty guns somewhere, should not ever be messed with. Trying to get them to have good manners makes no sense to them. Fine for them, their gun, up to them. Many of them cant adjust to the idea that being sold in the civilian sector means they are fair game and not really combat guns. Think 'Assault Weapon' inspired poo poo! FWIW, I dont believe mods always = unreliable or that a good trigger is always dangerous.

Thanks for the comment. I can completely appreciate how a given platform can just gel for you. I imagine trying to figure out that secret sauce is the trick, but would get expensive ! Was your RX a full size or compact? I personally am not fond of optics on full size guns, or most full size guns in general. For me they just dont point as naturally and balance is less agreeable compared to the compacts running 3.5 to 4 inch slides. The 509 hits almost all the buttons, I just scratch my head with FN and their striker gun triggers. Its clean enough in its action. But had to address a heavy break (7 1/4 lbs vs on a digital) as I was having a problem with transferring a lot of energy into the frame from the over travel stop bumping it allowing zero tolerance for off center moments. It ergos and my standard grip and finger placement on that trigger just would not work and never run into that before. But fortunately the Apex trigger should solved that for me. My hope is Apex moves to new sear spring options soon. Maybe striker spring if that sear does not take another 1lb. Their trigger left me just under 5 1/2, still too high IMHO when you start going aftermarket and dont buy into the "but its a combat gun" schtuff. A little bit more and I can see it would be toward the top of the list.

I use to use her ploy of saying, 'oh no, I've had that for a long time'. It worked fine until I was asked to explain why I had to buy a bigger safe.

Can I ask you gents what it is you find so appealing about your 509's give you have some difference in preference? Reason I ask is I have a 509T which I acquired recently due to my love of my FNX45T. Admittedly I have not run it yet, but I instantly liked its feel. But have to be honest, the trigger is one of the worst of any handgun I have ever purchased. I ordered and installed the Apex trigger ASAP which helped immensely. Would be curious if your examples may have been on the other end of the scale.

Congrats on your new toy David. There is quite a lot to like about the FN with its feature set. Looks like you got a good one out of the box There are no such things as secrets in the industry these days with electronic media being what it is. FN does a bit or marketing, though it does not seem as prevalent as Sig for sure. I'd venture to say its not a lack of marketing as much as some other factors, like making a connection or resonating with a buyer at point of sale. To be fair, they really seem to be more about the SCAR and less about their pistols. Many of the FN pistol folks (from my recent visits to their forum) dont appear to be tinkers or shooting enthusiasts who modify guns. And that group is smallish to start. That seems to explain why there is minimal aftermarket support for their platforms, and I think that iIS where they are missing the connection. Trying to find hot rod parts for FN's says to me the real shooting enthusiasts that drive that demand and help spread the word are staying away. FN went to Apex for the 509, let see if that helps them make a dent. Wish you guys many happy range days. .

All should respect the wishes of the deceased, and honor their life and service. Any decent human being would.

Hey Justin, welcome!

I have been enjoying this scotch for a bit. Its unpeated and for fans of malted scotches. A few drops of water opens it up nicely. Toffee notes and malty goodness that finish with a bit of spice.

The big takeaway is: what do do if you pass first!

They were several Berettas, Walthers, and a couple Belgian made guns. Honestly I dont recall them all. They did leave a couple older rusted things behind. So I guess there is that Sadly he did have a will, Leaving all his possessions to me including some bullion (stolen as well). But this is the kind of thing you find that folks are unscrupulous and greedy. They stripped the house and garage of all valuables. They spent the couple days after his death destroying or removing the paper trail of receipts, bank records, photographs, and erasing memory cards left behind after removing the electronic devices. They knew we could not prove what was there at the time of his passing, or that they were the ones who removed them. Clearly planned, which gives insight into the kind of people we are talking about. Obviously a lot more details behind this, but suffice it to say its a big ugly mess, The big learning was that is it NOT a criminal offense to steal from an estate if you can claim you are related. Weak family linkage means you can steal what you want if a homeowner dies. In these cases you are left to the character of the people involved, and the legal system does not protect you from "family" if hey are devoid of character.