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You are correct. I was too tired last night to google search the prices. Here is a link showing MSRP for the Remington guns. http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/MSRP/

+1 luckyforward To gutterboy, I would not mention that the sign does not meet the legal signage. There have been a few threads on TGO chastising those that point-out to businesses that their no-gun signs do not meet proper state regulations. Allow those who carry to continue to carry within the law.

At one time, I thought folks preferred the 870 Wingmaster model over the Express model and the price too close enough to the Express to warrant the better quality of the Wingmaster? Or is that a thing of the past?

Just out of curiosity, what model year is the gun and how many approximate rounds have you put through the gun?

Are there any modifications gun owners would like to see in the bill? Maybe set the storage rate for the guns? This would prevent one county from trying to take advantage of this storage fee by setting very high storage fees with hopes that if you do not pay, they get to keep the guns. BTW, does the bill mention what happens if you can't pay the storage fee? Will the rate be for each gun or the entire collection?

I would be very surprised if the insurance company would be willing to try for a protection order or restraining order since the insurance company is not the one being threaten. The insurance company is insuring the property. You and your family are the people being threaten. IMO, you or your family will have to file the OP or RO.

Thanks for the follow-up. Wow. What do you mean by Glock replaced all the pins? Glock replace all the following pins? Firing pin Firing pin spring Firing pin safety (this one is in your list) Firing pin safety spring Trigger pin Trigger housing pin Locking block pin

http://www.wsmv.com/news/18873246/detail.html No Current Process For People Served With Protection Orders Reported by Jeremy Finley POSTED: 3:54 pm CST March 6, 2009 UPDATED: 6:05 pm CST March 6, 2009 NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- If you own a gun or work for law enforcement, then legislation sparked by a Channel 4 I-Team investigation could impact you. The I-Team exposed holes in the system designed to protect domestic violence victims, and this bill attempts to remedy the problem. The bill isn't without controversy, but judges and lawmakers said it's a first step to fix problems first exposed in a series of investigations by the Channel 4 I-Team that showed how a system designed to protect women is set up to fail. "It is absolutely time to do something," said Rep. Beth Harwell of a series of investigations by the Channel 4 I-Team. Harwell is among the lawmakers who are calling for a set procedure to surrender guns when someone is served with an order of protection. The I-Team's investigation showed even though people served with orders are told by judges to get rid of their guns, no one in Nashville had ever turned one in to law enforcement because there was no procedure to do it. "It obviously was a flaw in the law," said Harwell, "and we need to correct it." The bill would require anyone served with an order of protection to turn over their gun either to the local sheriff, law enforcement or a registered gun dealer within 24 hours of when the order was handed down. If they don't, they could be charged with a misdemeanor. There will also be a fee charged to store the weapon. The reason for all of this is to remove guns from tense domestic situations. "I think it will give people that window of time to get their sanity back," said Judge Carol Soloman, 8th Circuit Court. There are questions about people bringing weapons to police departments and the danger that might present. But Harwell said she has not only consulted with law enforcement, but also the NRA. "Even the NRA realizes that these people should just not have guns, and they want to take a reasonable approach to this," Harwell said. The bill would also require, as soon as that order is handed down, for the person served with the order to detail to the court exactly what kind of gun they gave, including the model and make. Once the order is over -- it usually lasts about a year -- the person can get their gun back. In Nashville, the guns would likely be turned over to Metro police. It is so far unclear how this process would take place.

The state's incompetence and the failure of Dept of Safety to be notified by the courts of convictions or protection orders undermine the HCP program and that the HCP holders are the law biding citizens. This can be used to prevent current bills from becoming law for HCP holders to carry in parks, restaurants and making the HCP records private except to law enforcement.

Yes. Newschannel5 in Nashville exposed this problem back in Feburary 11, 2008. http://anonym.to/?http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=7856189&nav=menu374_6_1_2

Google search "wall gun racks" to get ideas for your needs.

I am not questioning that this technique can help you avoid shooting low left. At the range, you are training yourself to hold the trigger back on each shot, reacquire target, release trigger just enough for the reset and then pull the trigger. I wonder if this technique is appropriate for SHTF situations. My understanding in SHTF situations is you will experience a decrease in dexterity or fine motor skills due to flight or fight reaction. Thus, the gun may not be back on target when you attempt to perform all the steps. I am no expert either. I just was thinking about this technique and wondering the consequences in SHTF scenarios with this type of training.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tungsten Maybe scheelite?

Yep, I posted this editorial in this thread. http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18271

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/03/04/green.bullets/index.html Should hunters switch to 'green' bullets? <LI class=cnnhiliteheader>Story Highlights Green bullets are those that don't contain lead, a toxic metal Last year, California banned lead bullets in the area where an endangered bird lives Copper bullets are the main alternative to lead Hunting and gun groups oppose bans on lead bullets, saying they pose no risks By John D. Sutter CNN (CNN) -- Three years ago, Phillip Loughlin made a choice he knew would brand him as an outsider with many of his fellow hunters: He decided to shoot "green" bullets. "It made sense," Loughlin said of his switch to more environmentally friendly ammo, which doesn't contain lead. "I believe that we need to do a little bit to take care of the rest of the habitat and the environment -- not just what we want to shoot out of it." Lead, a toxic metal that can lower the IQs of children, is the essential element in most ammunition on the market today. But greener alternatives are gaining visibility -- and stirring controversy -- as some hunters, scientists, environmentalists and public health officials worry about lead ammunition's threat to the environment and public health. Hunting groups oppose limits on lead ammunition, saying there's no risk and alternatives are too expensive. The scope of the trend is difficult to measure. Americans spent an estimated $1.08 billion on ammunition in fiscal year 2008, according to tax reports from the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau. But the bureau does not track ammunition sales by type. Industry groups are tight-lipped about their sales figures. Manufacturers contacted by CNN declined to release specific numbers. Barnes Bullets, which manufactures copper bullets because, the company says, they perform better than lead, is seeing increased interest in its non-lead products, said Jessica Brooks, the Utah company's spokeswoman. Loughlin, of Union City, California, has noticed new manufacturers jumping into the green bullet game. "They're definitely coming out. Winchester and Remington, all the big-name ammo makers are loading green ammunition now," he said. Some firing ranges are banning lead for safety reasons. Lead bullets contaminate military training grounds across the country and are the subjects of many environmental cleanups. California and other state governments have taken up lead bullets as a matter of policy. They worry that lead from the bullets contaminates ecosystems and could affect people. Last year, California banned lead bullets in the chunk of the state that makes up the endangered California condor's habitat. The large birds are known to feed on scraps of meat left behind by hunters. Those scraps sometimes contain pieces of lead bullets, and lead poisoning is thought to be a contributor to condor deaths. Arizona, another condor state, gives out coupons so hunters can buy green ammunition. Utah may soon follow suit. In North Dakota, a hunter has raised concerns about lead's potential impact on humans. Dr. William Cornatzer, a dermatologist and falconer, saw a presentation about the potential dangers of lead at a board meeting of the Peregrine Fund, a group devoted to conserving birds of prey. He decided to collect and test venison samples that were going to be donated to a local program for the hungry. About half of the 100 samples -- all shot by hunters -- tested positive for lead, he said. Food banks and shelters pulled the meat from their shelves after the report. "When we did this, I about fell out of my shoes," he said. "The scary thing is these fragments are almost like dust in the meat. They're not like metal fragments you would feel when you bite down." States in the area started investigating the issue after Cornatzer's findings. Working with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the North Dakota Department of Health ran a test to find out the health effects of lead-shot game. The agency compared blood-lead levels of people who regularly eat meat shot with lead bullets with the levels of those who don't eat much wild game. The results were inconclusive. Those who ate the lead-shot meat had slightly higher blood-lead levels than those who didn't, but none of the 738 people in the study had levels above the government's threshold for danger. Still, the health department recommended that children younger than 6 and pregnant women stop eating venison shot with lead bullets because those groups are at particular risk for lead poisoning, even at low levels. The department also recommended lead-free bullets as the simplest solution to possible contamination. The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources followed with its own study, which found that when lead bullets explode inside an animal, imperceptible particles of the metal can infect meat up to a foot and a half away from the bullet wound -- farther than previously thought. More research is needed to tell for sure if lead-shot meat poses a risk to people, said Dr. Steve Pickard, an epidemiologist at the North Dakota Department of Health. But until that research is done, people should take sensible precautions, he said. "There is no cause for alarm, but it is another source of lead in the environment," he said of lead ammunition. Hunting groups say lead bullets pose no risk to people or the environment. Available studies -- particularly the one from North Dakota -- prove that point, said Ted Novin, spokesman for National Shooting Sports Foundation. "The CDC study confirmed what hunters have known for centuries: Consuming game hunted with traditional [lead] ammunition has never been shown to pose a health risk to anyone," he said. Pickard said Novin's group is misrepresenting science. The NSSF and the National Rifle Association say efforts to ban lead ammunition are veiled attempts to take guns away from hunters. They also point to the fact that lead's main alternative, copper, is more expensive and isn't available in all calibers. Novin said the added expense will drive many people away from a sport that is part of American heritage. "Many hunters believe lead is the best metal to be used for hunting," he said. "Add into that that it [lead] is very affordable and it is very available. We think this absolutely should be left up to hunters." Dr. Joseph Graziano, interim department chair of environmental health sciences at Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health, said the public should switch away from lead bullets -- even if the research is still developing. "It's hard to imagine that you could make a bullet out of something more toxic than lead," he said. Loughlin, who switched to green ammo and blogs on the issue, said that lead shouldn't be banned from hunting but that hunters and the public should be more aware of lead's potential to cause harm. "Lead will get into you, and we need to be working towards getting it out of the system," he said. "I think it's something we could do away with over time."

I recommend you go the places that have indoor shooting ranges that rent handguns. Try various models that they rent and chose the gun that feel good to you in the 45 caliber.

A thread on Glock Talk recommends Fox 5.3 pepper spray (not Mean Green). You can read the thread here

Can a TGO Admin confirm that this works? Explanation: http://anonym.to/en.html Example: http://anonym.to/?http://www.newschannel5.com/

U.S. arrests 755 in Mexican drug cartel raids After reading the story, there is a video link about how guns being purchased in USA are being sold and used by the drug cartels. <O:phttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29389404/</O:p

I just looked at the new website and noticed that the front page needs proper spacing between the bullet points. It almost looks as bad as when reading forum posts with long response written as one single paragraph with no spacing. Very hard to read.

If you decide to redesign the new website, I would like to suggest that the website not use technologies that slowdown the loading of the web page. I hate websites that want to play some intro/demo or heavy graphics each time you visit the site. I also dislike the use of frames since you cannot easily link or add to favorites to quickly return to that section of the website.

I would recommend HP. Not sure I would order it from Best Buy.

New site looks great. *) On the main page, I would change the store hours format from: 9AM-9PM to 9 AM - 9 PM to make it easier to read. *) The FAQ I would add change the question from: Do I need to bring my own firearm for the class? to Do I need to bring my own firearm and ammunition to the class? *) It would be better if there were an accessories page broken down by various subgroups like range bags, cleaning supplies/lube, etc. *) It appears that your range membership is for families. What is the cost of an individual membership and for family members that do not which to share a lane? What is the cost of shooting at the range without membership? All day or by the hour? *) Type of firearms or caliber limits for the range? *) List transfer fee. *) Add gunsmithing capabilities.

The reason I make the recommendation to use the carry ammo at all times is to recognize a problem has started. An example is a friend was having FTF/FTE issues with hollow points that previously worked in his handgun. To be fair, I can't remember if we tested with round ball ammo when the FTF/FTE occurred due to it has been too long ago. Also I can't remember what was causing the problem, however he fixed the issue and now the gun feeds hollow points reliably. Maybe a better compromise for those who consider my recommendation as "silly" is to retest your carry ammo the next time at the range. If you shoot 200 - 300 rounds a session, consider shooting 50 -100 rounds of your carry ammo by using all your magazines. I am not saying 50 - 100 rounds per magazine.

As I stated, yes it is more expensive. This issue and the question of this thread, is how many rounds fired reliably is considered acceptable for use in your handgun? My response to this question for consideration is that I would always want to use the carry ammo at all times to make sure the handgun continues to shoot reliably with that particular brand and type of ammo after the break-in or testing of ammo. I don't mean for the next statement to come across as harsh, however it makes the point I am trying to make on this topic. I value my life more than the cost of ammo. Of course, each person will decide what makes them feel confident in their handgun and ammo.