2012 Presidential Primary Poll

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I figure if I vote for a socialist RINO like ****t Romney,Not much if anything will change. If I vote for a socialist Libtard like Obama,not much if anything will change. I actually think Obama may not be as anti gun as Romney based on what I saw of him as Governor of Mass.

Don't worry though,I was kidding. I'm voting Ron Paul even if I have to write his name in.

You're right and nothing will change. I think most

everyone wants it to change from what Obama

is doing to the country. You evidently are willing

to give him four more years.

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[kieefer]

I actually see a big difference between the two. what I don't see is the difference between Romney,Gingrich, and Obama.

You're wrong on that but whatever.

The upcoming Supreme Court appointments alone are something you should consider before allowing BHO another 4..

[mav]

mav, I know Santorum has some bad appearing

votes, not as many as one might think, though.

Hey AR, I just ran across this article by Erick Erickson over at RedState. It is a great read on Santorum.

What A Big Government Conservative Looks Like | RedState

I would like to point out that Erickson hates Paul, and he doesn't like Romney either.

I’m rather tired of all the people who don’t like Romney trying to claim Rick Santorum is not a big government conservative, or not a pro-life statist. I would support him before I would support Romney too, but I have no intention of giving up ideological and intellectual consistency in the name of beating Mitt Romney.

I am glad Erickson wrote this article. I am by no means telling people they shouldn't vote for Santorum. If people like him, then by all means vote for him. However, people shouldn't claim he is something he is not. As I have stated in the past, I don't see a lot of difference between Santorum and Romney outside of Santorum being more socially conservative and more hawkish.

Edited January 8, 2012 by mav

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I read that, last time I was over there. Did you catch the comments?

Really interesting.

I remember saying that Santorum had some skeletons in his closet when

someone first mentioned him a while back. Santorum does a real good

job explaining the kind of politics one has to do to get from point A to

point B in DC. He would be a lot more malleable in the White House than

Romney, also. I still don't get what is driving Romney. The man is too

plastic for me, so far.

I think Santorum is more of a quality candidate than Erickson gives him credit.

I often enjoy Redstate in spite of it's boss. Take that with a grain of salt, though.

I do like the place.

re:your comment about Santorum. Don't you think that's enough of a difference?

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I've been thinking about this all day while I was working and forgot most of

what I thought about. I hope it comes out alright. No malice at all.

If it is fractured and broke up, it came from my brain, and I'm no writer.

Dear Ron Paul supporters,

Please consider what good has come out this political season, primarily by

Ron Paul's running for President. He has sparked a dialogue that almost

no one will forget, even a few liberals. He has made a lot of us sit and think

about things we've probably never before considered. I like that he is in the

mix, if not just to bring up these ideas that he has. They are well worth

considering, and if he is the nominee, great! If he isn't the nominee, he has

already changed the way a lot of folks think about their country, and that,

by itself, is a damned good thing.

If he is considered for VP, that is good, also. He could be a perfect bulldog

in an advisory manner of all things. If he isn't considered, he still changed

things, didn't he? At the very least, he is shaking up the Republican Party

and is putting them on notice, like the Tea Party movement has, that the

elite ain't the only game in town. I think the man has given perspective to

a lot of people who otherwise have trouble getting out of bed in the morning.

A little revolution, now and then is a good thing, don't you think? (Yeh, I

stole that). Sometimes when you shake things up, and make people think

about what is going on, someone else picks the ball up and scores with it.

Ron Paul deserves a lot of credit for this and hopefully it will be his legacy.

It just may not be his time, yet, and he is going to retire after this session

of Congress. I think he has sown a bunch of seeds.

[kieefer]

Doggone AR, sounds like you have given up on ole Mr. Paul. It's still early man, the media hasn't even had their shot at him.

[mav]

re:your comment about Santorum. Don't you think that's enough of a difference?

I really don't know. Assuming Paul was out of the race, I would probably be backing Perry. I really like (edit - some) Santorum's social views personally, but as Erickson closes his argument,

This is not the record of a man committed to scaling back the welfare state or the nanny state.

I would prefer to vote for Santorum over Romney primarily because Santorum would be better on the gun issue and would be more apt to defund some stuff that I absolutely hate. Planned Parenthood, for example. I would vote for him if he got the nomination, but I would absolutely hate it. I would hate because I know that the fiscal issues, which are my primary concern, would not be addressed to a level that would start putting this country in the right direction. Yes, he would be a million times better than what we have, but it would still be very bad.

In the end I don't think it will really matter because if Santorum gets the nomination, and I will vote for him, I don't think there is any way whatsoever that he can beat Obama. Geeze, how in the hell did we end up with such a sorry ass bunch of candidates? I think this election will be regarded as the most important election I will have participated in during my lifetime. What do we have running against Obama?

We have a candidate that is fantastic on fiscal issues, but his foreign policy views, although somewhat correct, are out of the new conservative mainstream. Therefore, some view him as unelectable, which I think is false. But, that is another argument for another time. The rest of the candidates have more mainstream foreign policy viewpoints, but they absolutely stink on fiscal issues. I hate to say that considering I may end up voting for one of them, but it is true. Their fiscal policies, while better than Obama's, suck. Ultimately it comes down to just two choices in the primaries, good fiscal policies or more mainstream foreign policies. I stated long ago that if we cannot get our fiscal house in order then eventualy our foreign policies really aren't going to mean jacks***. Geeze, I am so depressed.

(edit) I had to edit my post by inserting the word "some" when stating that I liked Santorum's social views. The edit was brought about due to some quotes I just read that I found rather disturbing.

Edited January 8, 2012 by mav

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Doggone AR, sounds like you have given up on ole Mr. Paul. It's still early man, the media hasn't even had their shot at him.

Smartass:D I was trying to say something nice and positive.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I really don't know. Assuming Paul was out of the race, I would probably be backing Perry. I really like Santorum's social views personally, but as Erickson closes his argument,

I would prefer to vote for Santorum over Romney primarily because Santorum would be better on the gun issue and would be more apt to defund some stuff that I absolutely hate. Planned Parenthood, for example. I would vote for him if he got the nomination, but I would absolutely hate it. I would hate because I know that the fiscal issues, which are my primary concern, would not be addressed to a level that would start putting this country in the right direction. Yes, he would be a million times better than what we have, but it would still be very bad.

In the end I don't think it will really matter because if Santorum gets the nomination, and I will vote for him, I don't think there is any way whatsoever that he can beat Obama. Geeze, how in the hell did we end up with such a sorry ass bunch of candidates? I think this election will be regarded as the most important election I will have participated in during my lifetime. What do we have running against Obama?

We have a candidate that is fantastic on fiscal issues, but his foreign policy views, although somewhat correct, are out of the new conservative mainstream. Therefore, some view him as unelectable, which I think is false. But, that is another argument for another time. The rest of the candidates have more mainstream foreign policy viewpoints, but they absolutely stink on fiscal issues. I hate to say that considering I may end up voting for one of them, but it is true. Their fiscal policies, while better than Obama's, suck. Ultimately it comes down to just two choices in the primaries, good fiscal policies or more mainstream foreign policies. I stated long ago that if we cannot get our fiscal house in order then eventualy our foreign policies really aren't going to mean jacks***. Geeze, I am so depressed.

You needn't be. Save that for November if there's bad news. We still have more things

to solve before then:D

I think Santorum could whoop Obama just fine.

[mav]

I think Santorum could whoop Obama just fine.

If it comes down to it, let's hope so.

[Oh Shoot]

...I think Santorum could whoop Obama just fine.

If it comes down to it, let's hope so.

C'mon guys, face the inevitable. There ain't no saving graces in this sad process.

It's gonna be Mitt, saving he doesn't drop dead or get snuffed, and I'll bet that Mitt Who Had Rather Be President Than Right will at least lead mostly in the daylight, won't pit factions of citizens against each other, won't pit the Justice Dept. against the states, will do something better re healthcare, deficit, tax structure, trade imbalance, the border/illegal aliens, size of federal gummit, etc.

Cause nobody could do it worse that BHO. But mainly, though he has a fake laugh and perfect hair and teeth, and he's the Perfect Pol above all, he really really doesn't want to destroy the USA as it has traditionally existed in its better days.

I must repeat, since it fits all of these current threads:

There's the normal lesser of two evils, but this time it's gotta be Gag Me With A Backhoe Romney over The Absolute Frigging Prince of Darkness!

- OS

Edited January 8, 2012 by OhShoot

[sigmtnman]

[Guest 6.8 AR]

C'mon guys, face the inevitable. There ain't no saving graces in this sad process.

It's gonna be Mitt, saving he doesn't drop dead or get snuffed, and I'll bet that Mitt Who Had Rather Be President Than Right will at least lead mostly in the daylight, won't pit factions of citizens against each other, won't pit the Justice Dept. against the states, will do something better re healthcare, deficit, tax structure, trade imbalance, the border/illegal aliens, size of federal gummit, etc.

Cause nobody could do it worse that BHO. But mainly, though he has a fake laugh and perfect hair and teeth, and he's the Perfect Pol above all, he really really doesn't want to destroy the USA as it has traditionally existed in its better days.

I must repeat, since it fits all of these current threads:

There's the normal lesser of two evils, but this time it's gotta be Gag Me With A Backhoe Romney over The Absolute Frigging Prince of Darkness!

- OS

It's a hard pill to swallow, OS. Just the stuff that ET dug up makes your point.

[Guest pfries]

Right now, I would vote for BOZO the clown over O.....

It just sucks when you feel like an election has come down to “beggars can't be choosersâ€.

Not a place I like to be in when it comes to the fate of my family, our future generations, and me.

[hornett22]

You're wrong on that but whatever.

The upcoming Supreme Court appointments alone are something you should consider before allowing BHO another 4..

Gingrich and Romney are socialists say one thing do another types. I'm a lot more comfortable with who Ron Paul would appoint to the SCOTUS than those two. As for Santorum,He hasn't made a believer out of me yet. Seems like a used car salesman. I don't get the impression he believes what he is telling the camera.

Let me remind you I lived in Connecticut for 6 of the last 7 years. Romney was Governor of Massachusetts when I moved up there. I heard all about him and watched him operate. I will NOT be voting for him under any circumstances.

Edited January 9, 2012 by hornett22

[Oh Shoot]

...As for Santorum,He hasn't made a believer out of me yet. Seems like a used car salesman. I don't get the impression he believes what he is telling the camera.

My Dad, a devout Christian who lived it better than most I have known, told me when I was quite young: "when a man touts his faith right off the bat to convince you of a business deal, if you've shaken his hand, count your fingers right afterwards."

Romney was Governor of Massachusetts when I moved up there. I heard all about him and watched him operate. I will NOT be voting for him under any circumstances.

Then Obama is your man.

- OS

[hornett22]

My Dad, a devout Christian who lived it better than most I have known, told me when I was quite young: "when a man touts his faith right off the bat to convince you of a business deal, if you've shaken his hand, count your fingers right afterwards."

Then Obama is your man.

- OS

not likely but that's probably who is going to be back in. going to be an interesting second term.

[mav]

Well, we are one month away from being able to voice our opinion in the voting booth. Just out of curiousity, has anyone decided to change their vote? A couple of candidates have dropped out since I created this poll, and there has been a bunch of incendiary rhetoric spewed about since the initial primary. Any comments, or you just want to get it all over and done with?

To answer my own question, my position has not changed in regards to who I will be voting for in the primary. However, my opinion of several of the candidates have changed quite a bit (mostly towards the negative) during this short primary cycle.

[kieefer]

My candidate of choice has not changed but I do think a lot less of Romoney and I find myself steering farther away from Newt.

Heard today that Ann Coulter is now behind Mitt, makes me wonder if Chris Christy is in line for his VP spot?

[mav]

My candidate of choice has not changed but I do think a lot less of Romoney and I find myself steering farther away from Newt.

Heard today that Ann Coulter is now behind Mitt, makes me wonder if Chris Christy is in line for his VP spot?

Possibly. I know one of the other members floated that theory several months ago. While I could be wrong, I don't see it happening. Romney, assuming he wins, is going to have a hard enough time defeating Obama. Having Christie on the ballot doesn't really help him all that much, and I believe it would actually hurt him in the south.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I hope Christie isn't his VP pick. Ann Coulter disappoints me, also.

[Guest ArmyVeteran37214]

I'm still voting for Congressman Paul come super Tuesday!

[Oh Shoot]

Decided I'm gonna bag the primary. Not worth fooling with, you all decide.

Haven't had a drink in 15 years, but voting for Mitt in the general is gonna sorely test me.

- OS

[mav]

We are only two days away from the primary. I just wanted to comment on something I saw as I was shopping this afternoon. I was out near Hamilton Place Mall and I noticed a bunch of people waving their Ron Paul 2012, Against NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act), Mainstream Media Lies, etc... signs on Gunbarrel Rd. While there are some Paul supporters who are just plain ol' bat s**t crazy, I really admire their conviction and their faithfulness towards their candidate. I have yet to see any individuals standing on the side of the road waving Santorum, Gingrich, or Romney signs. It made me smile.

While it is pretty clear that Paul win not win the nomination (I am still voting for him on Tuesday), he and his supporters have done an absolutely fabulous job of waking a lot of people up to some scary facts. I believe their message will carry on to future elections. I only hope that Romney will not be stupid and alienate Paul supporters. He will desperately need them if he hopes to defeat Obama in November. I also hope that Paul die-hards will be a little more pragmatic once the primaries and caucuses are over. While Romney is certainly no prize, he is way better than what we have now, and I believe he will be better than GWB. I don't see Romney as adventurous as Bush in terms of foreign policy.

[tnhawk]

.... We are the strongest nation on earth and we must lead regardless of what others call us or say about us.

Before someone attempts to lead this country or the rest of the world, they need a compass.