Ray Z

Find a local gun club and get involved in practical pistol or IDPA. Great bunch of shooters and are willing to give you plenty of advice with your shooting.

When we raised our boys we lived in one of the more affluent school districts in Ohio. We still had fees for this and fees for that sometimes twice a year. We always had school supplies to get. Didn't like it, but it was just part of school. Now they are grown and on their own. We still like to buy the school supplies for our grand-babies. It's our way of showing them that we support them. According to the local newspaper, Monroe county is one of the poorest county in Tennessee. Average family income is $21000/yr,. The schools spend $6020 on each student. Some of the supplies that are purchased go to those that can't afford $45 at the beginning of the year.

As I think about it, my USPSA production guns all have Lucite sights on them. My house guns are bare bones basic. Why? if the day ever comes when I have to use one to defend my family or myself, and it comes to court, I really don't want the prosecutor waving some high tech thing around with lasers and flashlights on it to the jury. Like TMF I really don't like killing the wildlife I have here. A couple of weeks ago we had a wild dog trying to get at the ducks in the lake. I put one over his head with the bold gun and he changed his mind. I could have dropped down a foot and put him down, but it wasn't necessary. I do my best hunting at the meat counter at the local wally world.

I'd like to hear what McMinn county does about this. They should have run the numbers, I'm sure the owner would like to have his gun back. How about keeping us up to date on this one?

I read here that most of you are against the working person and think that the poor cities and towns are going broke because they're paying too much. Smart people can make numbers say what they want them to say. The cities won't let independent auditors get hold of the books because they don't want anyone to really know where the money goes. All the police officers out there that are willing to be shot at and put up with the crap that they have to to keep the politicians happy and gaining enough votes for next election for minimum wage raise your hand. How about the fireman out there? Are you willing to walk into a burning building for minimum wage. These aren't the only ones. I missed a lot of working class folks out there that are worth a lot more than they get payed. Sorry folks, I will always believe that a working man is worth a lot more than some politician sitting behind a desk smoking cigarettes and telling lies on the phone all day.

Thank you

Saved us a gaggle of bucks too. Trials cost money.

I'm a damned Yankee. We came here a little less than 3 years ago, spent our money and stayed. I don't know anything about hog hunting and I'd like to go with my son. How about filling me in?

You have the right to bear arms.........Just not automatic arms without government permission You have the right to bear arms........ We just won't let any more automatic arms be made or imported. You have the right to bear arms........ We just want to know who you are and where you live You have the right to bear arms........ If you haven't committed a felony or hit your partner You have the right to bear arms........ But you're not allowed to have some shotguns that we decided were destructive devices. You have the right to bear arms........ But we're thinking about banning the 50 bmg. You have the right to bear arms........ What did I miss? What's next? GEE! Our second amendment rights are secure aren't they?

Maybe you just enjoy pain and abuse. I went into Benton Shooter Supply on a Friday to pick up a Shield that I had my name on the list for. There were 8 people ahead of me to have their check done. Now those folks sell a bunch of guns. The prices aren't bad either. They still have to pay the light bill. But they don't do it with one sale.

It depends on how this Zimmerman thing ends up. That trial is going to mean a lot on the future of concealed carry.

OK there, oldest son, don't give away family secrets

Yep! It does look cool. I'm assuming [ yeah I know ] that are going to use it for concealed carry. Mag wells are great for competition but make the gun wider for carry. If you need a reload that is that quick you need to practice more.

Sounds like you have everything taken care of. Your gun shop has dealt with Bud's before, so they have a copy of your local GS's FFL on file. Like so many others here I've bought guns on line too. No big thing. The place that you are buying the gun from has to have a copy of the local FFL's license on file. That way Uncle Sam gets his paper trail and you still get to take the 4473 test. What I usually do is take my money order to my local GS and they put a copy of their FFL with my stuff and mail it for me. That way I don't have to pay an extra 3% to use the charge card and I know that there won't be a delay because of the local FFL not being there.

Let me explain why I feel this way. Not so much in Tennessee but in a lot of the other states if a first grader draws a picture of a gun he gets suspended from school. If a 3 grader, on the playground, points his index finger at another child with his thumb in the air he's expelled from school for bringing a gun to school. Think I'm kidding? It happened to kids at Bridgetown elementary in Cincinnati. Mom and dad took the school to court and won. The child had to do that grade over because it took almost a year for the incident to come to court. It cost mom and dad a boatload of bucks and junior a year of school. The school didn't care. They had all of our money to use for a defense. Back to the golden rule,[Those with the gold make the rules]

I've got a can of 700x I want to try for 44 spl loads. I don't shoot scatter gun anymore so it's just sitting around. I haven't looked into loads for the 240gr swc/gc yet but I want to use it up.

I fell that we, as experienced shooters have a responsibility to help the newbies. You will probably never see those ladies shoot again.

Watch out Tennessee. Our secret could get out. Tellico Plains is right at the foot of the Smokeys.The mountain streams are cold year round. The clean pure environment is lightly populated by the kindest, most friendly people in the world, Tennesseans.

Has anyone thought of the outcome if he is convicted of the shooting? You will have the right to carry a firearm. But if you use it to protect yourself or your family at the very least you will have a whopping legal bill. Or go to jail for the rest of your life.

What you said makes since. I've got a boatload of WC 820 left over from the days when the military wasn't involved in gun control. I'm not showing any signs of pressure. I think I'll just burn up the powder I've got. Thanks guys for the help. When I do run out of the powder I'm going to go looking for an 8 pounder of 2400 or 4227.And that's going to kill me. I bought this powder for 6 bucks a pound. Remember the days?

I've tried Unique. It's a bit fast for magnum cartridges. But it's awful dirty. Or I should say that it has a lot of graphite in it. 2400 always worked will for me. Any guesses what the charge would be for the hornady 225 gr FTX? According to them there is so much bearing surface that I had to cut the h110 load down.

I've been loading my 44 mag with WC 820 for a long time. I start out with a Lyman gas checked 240gr hard cast bullet and 22gr of WC 820. It burns well, but it's just like h110, it likes to be compressed to burn consistently. It's a good load for range shooting. I don't think it would be good for hunting. Here comes the but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, wait for it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, But, I'd like to deer hunt this Fall with my son. I picked up a S&W 629 hunter. It has a 7 1/2" barrel and a 2-6 power scope. I looked up Hornady's load for their 225gr FTX. If I use their load for h110 [recommended loading data for WC 820] the max I can use is 20.6gr. Reason being that there is a lot more baring area with this bullet. With that load I can't compress the powder and because of that I have a lot of unburnt powder in the barrel. Average velocity for 5 rounds is 1350fps, and ES is 19. I'm tickled to death with the crono numbers, not the crud in the barrel. What do you use?

Caster I've been casting for the better part of 45 years. I realized that I don't know everything about the casting and now that I've read your post I realize just how little I really do know. Thank you for taking the time to do this post. I really learned a lot. Ray

This is the one I use when I carry my LCP. Prints like a wallet, trigger is covered, easy to get out if you have to. http://www.stonerholsters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=9&products_id=112&zenid=f0e0b518f6c838cc492984ffb7183bbf

Dolomite thanks for that one. I've been loading for a long time and knew that too much media was too much of a good thing. But I never knew how to determan what was a good way to get the right amount in the tumbler. One thing that I do is use the dryer sheets after they have been used in my tumbler. They absorb the fine corn cob media that makes the dust when I empty the clean brass out.