Sig P320 - Carry, Range Only, or Sell

[DraxTheDad]

I don't know, I am starting to think to give it to the wife to carry every day.

[Chucktshoes]

[chances R]

There is enough concern that several high profile trainers will not allow students with 320s to take their classes.

[scatman]

14 hours ago, Chucktshoes said:

Oh so pass it off to "user error" huh? What s shameful twist. Sig might as well start releasing videos on how to carry condition three. Don't get me wrong, with enough time and training, condition three or aka "Israeli carry" can be about as fast as a loaded chamber, and with the right technique does more to put someone in the mindset of moving out of the firing lane of an opposing target.

[Thearmededucator]

4 hours ago, scatman said:

Oh so pass it off to "user error" huh? What s shameful twist. Sig might as well start releasing videos on how to carry condition three. Don't get me wrong, with enough time and training, condition three or aka "Israeli carry" can be about as fast as a loaded chamber, and with the right technique does more to put someone in the mindset of moving out of the firing lane of an opposing target.

I am normally very much a believer in context being king in self defense, but this highlighted portion is unequivocally, empirically, and measurably wrong.

Can someone who is good at it beat someone in condition one who sucks, yes. But every single person has a faster and a more situationally resilient draw from condition one.

[scatman]

26 minutes ago, Thearmededucator said:

I am normally very much a believer in context being king in self defense, but this highlighted portion is unequivocally, empirically, and measurably wrong.

Can someone who is good at it beat someone in condition one who sucks, yes. But every single person has a faster and a more situationally resilient draw from condition one.

As I said, with enough training, ya know, like the kinda training a SF team gets, haha. My original comment itself was meant to be a joke. Reasons why I said, can be about as fast, even then, it doesn't beat condition one. I've seen numerous videos, and there was once a nice video that I could find where someone took some footage of the then fastest Israeli team and compared it to a low level IDPA match with slow motion. Shot times were faster with novice IDPA shooters by more than half a second on average than the fastest recorded condition three shot times at the time of the video.

[DraxTheDad]

I saw this posted elsewhere and others replied with other manuals; almost every one says the same thing.   Sounds more like a CYA clause that the lawyers require to be in there.

[Thearmededucator]

4 hours ago, scatman said:

As I said, with enough training, ya know, like the kinda training a SF team gets, haha. My original comment itself was meant to be a joke. Reasons why I said, can be about as fast, even then, it doesn't beat condition one. I've seen numerous videos, and there was once a nice video that I could find where someone took some footage of the then fastest Israeli team and compared it to a low level IDPA match with slow motion. Shot times were faster with novice IDPA shooters by more than half a second on average than the fastest recorded condition three shot times at the time of the video.

Gotcha, I apologize for misunderstanding your meaning. Its just something ive gotten into the habit of immediately addressing every time I see it.

[chances R]

Couple of points regarding Israeli carry.  It is primarily used as a safety issue for the untrained.  Also the handgun is essentially a backup gun for Israeli soldiers as they are normally carrying rifles. Not really transferable to civilian situations.  It also in use is much more likely to induce a malfunction/misfeed when you are forced to save your life or that of a loved one.  It also assumes one has both hands available to work the action of the firearm.  How many times is one hand occupied holding a child, carrying an object, holding a phone, etc.  Much slower and less optimal if one chooses to carry a handgun.

[deerslayer]

9 hours ago, DraxTheDad said:

I saw this posted elsewhere and others replied with other manuals; almost every one says the same thing.  

Did other manufacturers recently change their manuals?

[Chucktshoes]

23 minutes ago, deerslayer said:

Did other manufacturers recently change their manuals?

Well, here is what Glock’s looks like. 
 

The highlighted portion only warns about a loaded chamber when it’s not inside of a suitable holster. World of difference if you ask me. 

[Chucktshoes]

Video goes over a report prepared by the FBI’s BRF of an Sig P320 that experienced an uncommanded discharge in an officer’s holster. 
 

 

[Chucktshoes]

 

 

 

DHS/ICE is also going to be dumping the P320 and moving to the G45 in the next year. 

[krunchnik]

So in conclusion, they could not make the pistol fire unintentionally-

And furthermore could not devise a test that would confirm a accidental discharge-

There was a video of a Sig Armorer that could not make the P320 discharge uncommanded-

 

[Chucktshoes]

34 minutes ago, krunchnik said:

So in conclusion, they could not make the pistol fire unintentionally-

And furthermore could not devise a test that would confirm a accidental discharge-

There was a video of a Sig Armorer that could not make the P320 discharge uncommanded-

 

Not quite. They could not devise a test that could conclusively prove whether this particular firearm fired unintentionally in this particular instance. What they could prove is that the strike safety lock could be rendered inoperable by engaging in common movements, undertaken by an officer in the course of his duties while the firearm was holstered and that multiple pistols could be made to fire without manipulation of the trigger.

Edited Tuesday at 07:27 PM by Chucktshoes

[Thearmededucator]

For those keeping score at home, here’s a short list of the Sig P320 Incidents:

Backpack drop
https://youtube.com/shorts/GHMyMVR3CRg?si=4zorAyAP7drmHIz-

Appendix carry 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l58e2XvU6BQ&ab_channel=CarryTrainer

Vancouver, WA PD SafeFire holster discharge
https://www.instagram.com/p/DKnYZ0zhBSg/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Gray Guns (Bruce Gray) parts configuration issue
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKP_3hkz9jN/?igsh=MWlhcjFyZ21veHNsMQ==

USMC engineering review recommended 
https://www.wearethemighty.com/military-news/sig-p320-engineering-review-recommended-in-marine-corps-report/

Montville PD holster discharge during arrest
https://youtu.be/3_CYjoK2bqo?si=Ie4WMKwY5fp4Om9T

La Grange, TX Police officer holstered; shot in the leg
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/it-happened-again-texas-officer-injured-by-holstered-sig-sauer-p320

Ceres PD SRO holstered; shot in leg at school
https://amp.modbee.com/news/local/article309984160.html

Unknown training session holster discharge 
https://youtube.com/shorts/cOUfurKIjnI?si=mxIY8Gt630k-ZQwP

Achilles Heel Tactical class holster discharge 
https://youtube.com/shorts/DClhzMjgiyI?si=kXZO2Muyiw--S1al

Garand Thumb experiences uncommanded discharge
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1245671740462693&id=100050596354523

Franklin, TN man holstered discharge
https://www.wsmv.com/2025/05/15/nationwide-reports-popular-pistol-firing-without-trigger-pull-uncovered-by-wsmv4-investigates/?utm_source=chatgpt.com#

Philadelphia man holster discharge lawsuit
https://apnews.com/article/sig-sauer-pistol-discharge-lawsuit-7d6e37035d7205ec9b04c92856964f21#

Canadian JTF-2 uncommanded discharge
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-forces-handgun-sig-sauer-p320-1.6610477

Fort Eustis Army MP uncommanded discharge
https://www.nenc.news/2024-06-25/documents-detail-u-s-soldiers-shot-by-their-own-sig-sauer-guns-military-says-no-reason-for-concern?utm_source=chatgpt.com

USMC Camp Foster Okinawa discharge
https://www.wearethemighty.com/military-news/sig-p320-engineering-review-recommended-in-marine-corps-report/

Washington Police Academy recruit discharge
https://www.police1.com/firearms-training/wash-police-academy-bans-sig-sauer-after-unintended-discharge-incident?utm_source=chatgpt.com#

Washington Police Academy bans P320
https://www.police1.com/firearms-training/wash-police-academy-bans-sig-sauer-after-unintended-discharge-incident

Oregon Police Academy bans P320
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vE3Em-bvYo

Milwaukee PD bans P320
https://www.thetrace.org/2025/05/sig-sauer-p320-police-resale-public/

Dallas PD bans P320
https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2017-08-07/dallas-police-suspend-use-of-pistol-manufactured-by-n-h-based-sig-sauer

Chicago PD ban the P320 news article
https://morninganswerchicago.com/chicago-police-officers-barred-from-carrying-popular-sidearm-amid-safety-concerns/

Several agencies ban P320
https://stateline.org/2025/03/10/more-law-enforcement-agencies-reconsider-use-of-popular-sig-sauer-p320-handgun/

[Chucktshoes]

[JustEd]

3 hours ago, Chucktshoes said:

Not quite. They could not devise a test that could conclusively prove whether this particular firearm fired unintentionally in this particular instance. What they could prove is that the strike safety lock could be rendered inoperable by engaging in common movements, undertaken by an officer in the course of his duties while the firearm was holstered and that multiple pistols could be made to fire without manipulation of the trigger.

What I did not see was any statement about modifications made to the trigger mechanism by user or agency.

Is it a different report which stated "multiple pistols could be made to fire without manipulation of the trigger?"

Edited Tuesday at 10:28 PM by JustEd

[Chucktshoes]

2 hours ago, JustEd said:

D What I did not see was any statement about modifications made to the trigger mechanism by user or agency.

Is it a different report which stated "multiple pistols could be made to fire without manipulation of the trigger?"

The MSP provided additional pistols for testing beyond the one involved in the uncommanded discharge incident. 
 

The user nor the agency modified the triggers. They did previously go back to Sig for warranty work. 

Edited Wednesday at 01:20 AM by Chucktshoes

[Moped]

Way too much smoke for me to ever buy one, little alone carry one.