Found Coyote Dead, NOT TORTURED. SIMPLE TAGGING OF GAME

[Dolomite`s Breezy]

Are you serious about "competition hunting"? Man, I must be living in a time warp. What sick mind thought up this?

I guess we can do away with Bassmasters then , right? 

[DixieDawg]

Been there myself on the cattle lost 4 Angus calves in the last couple years to coyotes they need removed they originally are not even native to this area and before you PETA people jump on me I know cattle are not native species either but they at least serve a purpose did find a solution though turned an ornery little jack (donkey) in with the cows and he keeps dogs and coyotes chased away -Dusty-

[Lumber_Jack]

[quote name="Jonnin" post="1113956" timestamp="1392922167"]well that explains it. thought the body looked too normal to have been taped up for days and suffering but its hard to tell in pics sometimes. I can see it for a competition, though it seems like it would be easy to cheat and remove a block, insert your own. I know, I know, hunters all all ethical esp when there is a prize on the line, but still, seems like a flawed system.[/quote] Yeah it was a healthy looking animal. I never thought for an instant that it starved.

[homeagain]

I've been doing competition coon hunting since I was little, and so has my dad who is 60 this year. Its not a new trend by any means. And I don't really consider it sick, coyotes are a nuisance and have cost me and my family a lot of money and headache harrassing cattle. Whats the difference in killing 3 or 4 on the weekend and killing 3 or 4 in a competition hunt. Either way the coyote gets killed quickly with a gunshot. Tapatalk ate my spelling

 

Not to hijack, but coonhunters are a dying breed.  Too many highways and not enough woods left to run hounds these days it seems.  Dad had 9 generations of line bred B&T living at one time once.  He started in 1943 and hunted hard until 2007.  One year in 1974 he was laid off and pelt hunted when a good bore could bring up to $20.  Our whole basement was hung with curing hides.  I can still smell that in my mind.  I bet I scraped my weight in coon fat that year and ate twice my weight in BBQ coon.  Took an old Datsun piled high with hides to Lui Heimansohn and made what he brought home the prior year working.  He was also one of the best competition hunters around...TN state champ, placed high in Little World, and UKC World...spent many a week camped with him in Charlie Brown Park in Flora, IL.  Hunted from Iowa to Virgina and from Wisconsin to Louisiana.  Good freakin' times!

 

Competition hunting for 'yotes is no less humane than meat hunts, dog trials, letting the hounds fight the occasional coon or bass fishing for that matter.  Hell, it ain't no worse than prairie dog shoots.  They're just big-ass, furry, four-legged cockroaches in my opinion....no way to control 'em, otherwise we wouldn't have open season, no limit, year round.  I can remember when quail and rabbit were plentiful, so I guess that just makes me resent the critters even more.  Not saying anyone should be inhumane, but I say kill every one of the damn things.   

Edited February 20, 2014 by homeagain

[peejman]

I guess we can do away with Bassmasters then , right? 

 

 

Bassmasters is catch and release.   

[homeagain]

Bassmasters is catch and release.   

 

Gives me an idea!  We should use gutpile bait and big ass treble hooks for 'yotes!  Would need heavy tackle, though.  The release part may be problematic, too...not sticking my thumb in that mouth!

Edited February 20, 2014 by homeagain

[DaveS]

Just a thought, was it shot? Or show any signs of being in a trap?

My only thought of any reason would be similar to what some do to hogs. Block the mouth open in prep for taxidermy so it has a specific look to the face?

If there was no sign of cause if death (gun shot, trap/snare marks, ect) I would def call and let the local wardens know. (Probably even let them know anyway simply for the dumping near the gate)

I'm a Taxidermist and you don't have to block anything's mouth open for a mount. People do that to hogs with a stick to hold it's mouth open to get a picture showing it's tusk. This is nothing less than animal cruelty and has been reported.

 

Dave

Edited February 20, 2014 by DaveS

[DaveS]

Its done after the coyote was killed.. so what`s the problem?

  I would be more upset with the method they trap these things than a block of wood inserted into their mouths AFTER death..

    *A kill block is an object that is placed into the coyote’s mouth upon death. Each team is responsible for making there own kill blocks. Each kill block will contain the time of death and the team members name or initials. Kill blocks can be constructed from wood, PVC or metal

The problem is dumping of dead animals on public land is against the law! That's the problem. I've seen so many tickets get wrote over this it isn't funny. You just have to catch them is all.

 

Dave

Edited February 20, 2014 by DaveS

[NRA]

Humans are sick and cruel! No reason for this kind of torture!

[ncldwell]

No excuse, that's just plain twisted.  Someone that does this kind of thing has some deeper issues lurking about.

[Dolomite_supafly]

Are you guys just refusing to read?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

THE COYOTE WAS DEAD BEFORE THE BLOCK WAS PUT IN IT'S MOUTH

Edited February 20, 2014 by Dolomite_supafly

[Lumber_Jack]

Edited title and first post for clarification. This animal was simply tagged using standard practices AFTER it was killed

[NRA]

thank goodness for the clarification....................  

[DaveS]

Found this coyote in the woods near Camden Tn yesterday. Someone had obviously thrown it out after it was killed, as it was dumped near a gate.

None of that is unusual, except its mouth was bound with tape, and a block of wood in his teeth.

Anyone figure out why?

ETA: THIS IS DONE TO RECORD THE KILLING OF GAME WITHOUT DAMAGING PELTS

If you're going to throw the animal out, why worry about damaging the pelt? I smell a rat here!

Dave

[DaveS]

Are you guys just refusing to read?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

THE COYOTE WAS DEAD BEFORE THE BLOCK WAS PUT IN IT'S MOUTH

We understand that. It's still illegal to dispose of an animal on public land!

 

Dave

[Lumber_Jack]

[quote name="DaveS" post="1114133" timestamp="1392938691"]We understand that. It's still illegal to dispose of an animal on public land! Dave[/quote] I agree. I'm dumbfounded why they just threw the animal out. Also, it's private land ;)

[Dolomite_supafly]

We understand that. It's still illegal to dispose of an animal on public land!

 

Dave

 

A lot of people are screaming this is cruel but people are not getting the fact that the animal was already dead.

[Dolomite_supafly]

I agree. I'm dumbfounded why they just threw the animal out. Also, it's private land ;)

So no laws were broken.

 

No reason for people to be up in arms crying foul.

[Lumber_Jack]

[quote name="Dolomite_supafly" post="1114136" timestamp="1392939300"]So no laws were broken. No reason for people to be up in arms crying foul.[/quote] Well it depends. I have to assume those who dumped the yote were not owners of the land ( since it's an investment fund in Chapel Hill) and if they were hunt lease members they were in violation of the terms.

[DaveTN]

I’m no hunter but when I saw that picture I knew that block wasn’t put there while it was alive and then it let loose. That tape wouldn’t hold for 2 minutes if his paws were free.

[kieefer]

I bet the block has writing on it.

 

The reason they do this is because they write down information on the block AFTER the animal is killed. They do it to keep track of who killed it, what time, etc. It is not done to be cruel because the animal is already dead by the time the block is put in the mouth. It is what is used to tag the animal without putting holes in the ears or other areas.

 

Out of curiosity, how would you mark a coyote with who killed it, when and where?

 

The animal did NOT have its mouth taped shut while it was a live and then release alive. The animal was long dead before the block was inserted in the mouth.

 

Thanks for clearing this up, learn something everyday.

 

I think I would have removed the block if I didn't have any other options. Maybe someone was going to come back and pick it up?

 

My late Uncle was also a tobacco farmer and hated coyotes, he would shoot them but his neighbor had livestock. His neighbor would string a wire from a tree limb with a large treble hook on it just high enough for a coyote to jump at, baited. I had forgotten how much farmers hated them.

[DaveS]

A lot of people are screaming this is cruel but people are not getting the fact that the animal was already dead.

I understand that. It's illegal to dump carcusse's. If they didn't want the coyote they should have never killed it. At the least remove the block from it's mouth before throwing it down. The "anti's" love this stuff. Why don't we hunters keep giving them fuel for their fires? It's senseless! Explain to PETA and the Anti hunters out there that it was already dead. They could care less if it was or not. That's just more ammo for them to fight us with!!! And I have NO USE for jerks who dispose of wildlife like this!!

 

Dave

Edited February 21, 2014 by DaveS

[peejman]

Are you guys just refusing to read?

THE COYOTE WAS DEAD BEFORE THE BLOCK WAS PUT IN IT'S MOUTH

So what exactly are you trying to say?











:)

[DaveS]

I'm still trying to figure this out. Why place a block of wood in the mouth of a dead animal and tape it down to keep it from bitting. That's an old trappers trick to keep from getting bit. It's fine what y'all say, but I don't buy it! Stuff like this just angers me to no end!!!

 

 

Dave

[peejman]

I'm still trying to figure this out. Why place a block of wood in the mouth of a dead animal and tape it down to keep it from bitting. That's an old trappers trick to keep from getting bit. It's fine what y'all say, but I don't buy it! Stuff like this just angers me to no end!!!


Dave

So they can see the teeth when rigormortis sets in without having to pry the jaws open.