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Sounds like another good reason to just hold on to them. I realize that doesn't suit everyone though.

I've ran this scenario before, and have a plan, and a plan B. However anyone have advice for those of us that live in rural areas? I'm 15 miles from a police station and just about anything else. I had two guys (bear hunters) try to throw up a roadblock on me last year, which I fear a roadblock more than someone following me. Initially my plan if being followed is to just keep driving, however if I'm coming in from down and pass my house (I live on the main road that comes in from town) it's another 25 miles before I get to anything. Of course I always carry when I leave the house, and although I don't use cell phones I carry an old one to call 911 on if need be, not that it would do me much good with the coverage area out here.

I read the book "One Second After" lots of good info even though it's fiction. Imagine every single thing that you own which is electronic no longer works. That's how it is going to be. We will be living 150 years in the past but without the infrastructure that was available 150 years ago. It's some scary stuff, any one that hasn't read "One Second After" I highly recommend it.

Songs been out for a pretty good while, at least a year. I haven't seen the video yet though and don't know too much about Aaron Lewis. I hope he really is like the way he portrays himself in this video and not another Nashville sell out like pretty much the rest of country music. I liked the George Jones and Charlie Daniels Cameos. I caught CD's part on the radio but never noticed the Possum was featured in the song.

It would be just the thing for someone starting a prison sentence.

Here's a crash course...

I got that, but could it not be considered discrimination to deny the sale to someone such as Robtattoo, (hope you don't mind me using you as an example Rob) who is not a citizen but is in the country legally? What if, say it was an item that was less controversial to the general public such as a cheese burger. Are we going to tell Rob that he can't have a cheese burger because he was not birthed in America?

I wheel and deal from time to time and I've definitely thrown some low ball offers out there. I will not lowball without looking at something in person first, I don't even talk money until I go look at the item. When I do lowball it's because (or maybe sometimes I just tell them) that it really isn't what I want. For instance, if I'm looking at a vehicle I may say "We'll it's not in too bad a shape but it really isn't quite what I'm looking for. Plus that radiator is leaking and the tires are bald. I'm not sure how motivated you are to get this thing out of your yard but if you were interested I would be willing to give you "x" for it." I've had people take me up on my offer and I've had people politely decline. I never recall anyone's feelings getting hurt or anything. It's just business. On the mention of Craigslist, oh man I'm sick of it. I have a couple of vehicles for sale on there now, one being a motorcycle and the E-mails that I get are ridiculous. I think I've weeded out the real time wasters though by putting certain things in the ad. Motorcycles are so much worse to sell than cars because there are so many people out there that just want to take a joy ride. Therefore I put in all caps in any motorcycle add that I place "I WILL NOT MEET YOU ANYWHERE, IF YOU WANT TO SEE THIS BIKE YOU WILL HAVE TO COME TO ME." and "NO FREE TEST RIDES, NO ONE WILL RIDE THIS BIKE UNTIL I HAVE CASH IN HAND." Believe it or not this actually seems to work.

Just throwing this out there. From a legal perspective, since there is no law prohibiting the sale of ammo to non-residents, could the fact that Dick's will not sell ammo to non-residents be considered discrimination. I see no difference personally between what they are doing and saying "We won't sell ammo to people of certain ethnic backgrounds."

I hold doors and whatnot anytime I get the chance. A couple of years ago I had to wear a sling for a couple of months due to an injury. I was amazed at the kindness of strangers. I'm somewhat of a loner so I'm pretty independent but it can be a little tricky to manage with one arm, especially when you have things to carry. Numerous times people would jump ahead of me to get a door for me. The girl a Chik-Fil-A that took my order walked my order over to my table for me because she realized that it is hard to manage a try and a drink with one hand. The clerk at Kroger asked if he could take my groceries out to my car for me. It really made me feel good to live in rural East Tennessee, where courtesy is in fact not dead. Now Tennessee drivers on the other hand are a different story. It seems for most that once in the drivers seat Tennesseans care only about themselves.

I've been on NetFlix for a couple of years now. I live so far out that the only internet I can get is satellite and I have a 300mb per day limit. Therefore I'm keeping my fingers crossed that NetFlix keeps sending DVD's because there isn't much streaming going on here. I tried to put up an antenna but I can't even pick up air channels here. I don't have enough time to watch TV most of the year but I have a few slow months, I just can't justify satellite TV for those 2 months, so Netflix works great for me. I keep it at 2 discs at a time when I'm busy and when work slows down I splurge and do about 6 discs at a time.

In a round about way this ridiculous theory only rationalizes (In the minds of idiots) the bailouts that Obama gave to companies such as Chevrolet and Chrysler earlier in his term (Also why I won't own a Chevrolet or Chrysler product.) "Hey it's not their fault they went under, so we should bail them out."

When I canoed the Caney Fork my group camped on the side of the river. Wasn't really a designated camping spot and I don't remember seeing any. Looked like it backed up to a cattle farm, I'm not really sure if it was okay for us to be there or not.

I was born and raised in Middle Tennessee but I got to the mountains as quick as I could and have no plans of leaving. I live in Blount County right on the edge of the park. I try to stay away from Sevier County period. I can't stand Pigeon Forge, Gatlinberg, and Sevierville. It's like Panama City in the mountains. It's nice and quiet here most of the time, lots of places to fish, camp, and hike. Lots of wildlife around too. I understand the traffic thing from both sides. I understand people on vacation like to putt around but if I leave my house it's 5 miles one way and 8 miles the other before I get a chance to pass. I see this stuff everyday I don't want to go to work at 20 mph nor do I want to sit behind someone that is doing 20 mph on my way home. We get a lot of tourist traffic on my otherwise lightly traveled road. I don't get impatient until the pokey in front of me has had a couple of chances to pull over, then I just consider that person to be inconsiderate. To Deerslayer... I understand just what you mean about the tourists on Harleys. I deal with them everyday. There are some decent ones but more common are the "My loud pipes are awesome and you are GOING to listen to them" crowd. The sound systems on those things are impressive, I've been able to hear them over their loud pipes well over a half mile away before, and clearly. By the way, I'm not bike bashing, I own 5 motorcycles. I can appreciate a nice sounding exhaust but I realize that just because I do doesn't mean that everyone else does as well. I only have one bike that is loud and I try to be courteous and keep the RPMs down when I'm anywhere where there are other people around. I know my neighbors don't want to hear me a mile away when I come in from a ride, so I ride a gear or two high to keep the noise down.

I used to fish the Caney some. It's pretty easy to fish. I believe the rest stop is at mile marker 267 and it is accessible from both east and west bound lanes. You can get off of 40 at Buffalo Valley Road, exit 268, bear right, go to the split and take a left, in about a 1/2 mile you should see a sign for the dam. You can drive right down to the access and there is lots of room to bank fish or wade. I canoed the whole thing once but don't really recommend it unless you like paddling a lot of still water. The last 5 miles before you hit the Cumberland doesn't have much current at all. You can also access quite a bit of bank by taking hwy 96 over the dam and immediately turning right onto hwy 141. There is a nice little place to fish right there by the camp ground.

The appeal of hunting bow season for me was two fold 1) the thrill that can only be understood by someone who has actually bowhunted. And 2) Getting to hunt early in the season before the deeer are "gun shy." I have no desire to bow hunt in January after the deer have been chased around for 2 months by every moron in the state that owns a rifle. I'm with WD on this one, it's going to mess up the rabbit hunting anyway. The guys I always rabbit hunted with waited until deer season was over before we rabbit hunted so as not to disturb the deer hunters. Plus we all deer hunted the whole deer season anyway.

It's always a good idea to record interactions with law enforcement. Most phones and many MP3 players have built in recorders. And if it is laying there in plain sight face down no one will know. It could save your butt if you wind up with a corrupt cop.

If that's the ETR that I know then there must have been 7 pages criticizing the building techniques.

They are not very hard to install. I have had to drill the frame on a couple, just make sure you have a good sharp high quality drill bit and use some cutting oil with it. Depending on how much weight you are pulling a ball on your bumper will probably work for you.

I would be very interested in helping out. I live about an hour away from you. Only thing is I work a lot this time of year. During the winter however, I could contribute a good amount of time, just depends on the time frame you are looking to build this thing in.

Wow it must be a full time job for him to keep poachers off of his land.

I see where you are coming from for sure. Not sure how bad the meth epidemic is down your way. I used to run around some down that way a long time ago before I had ever heard of meth. Meth in East Tennessee seems to stay kind of secluded. I was reading in the paper this morning where a town about 15 miles from me is having a hard time with meth problems, while I have not seen any evidence of meth where I live. A couple of times in the past year I have had to spend several hours in the UT Medical Center ER waiting room. It seems that every time I'm there the waiting room is steady until about dark 30 then the waiting room is cram packed with 20 somethings that look like the only thing wrong with them is the fact that they lack a job. I've been told by friends that work in the hospital that these are pill addicts and they show up every single evening with some fake ailment searching for pills. I know that it is easy to say let them do what they want and die. But if you have ever known anyone that is a drug addict before they were a drug addict and seen them go through it I would say that it is about the most horrible thing that you could ever sit back and watch. I wish I had a simple answer to fix it all.

Appology accepted sir! And thank you for the apology, that says a ton about your character. I think that we need to remember that everyone here (I hope) is on the same side in that we would all like to see meth eradicated. With that in mind lets try to work together. It's a long stretch for an internet forum to actually make a difference out in the world but it has happened before. Who knows? We may be able to collaborate a good idea in here. Anyway. My rationale is that if the key ingredient is difficult to obtain then meth production will come to a halt. I've tried to do a good bit of research but I can not come up with a conclusive answer to how much pseudoephedrine is used in the making of meth and how much a particular amount of it will yield in finished product. If anyone has accurate information about this then please share at your discretion. The best that I could come up with was 1 box of Sudafed would contain enough pseudo to produce enough product for two people to get high. This information is not very conclusive and also did not state whether they were using standard Sudafed, 12, or 24 hour formulas. Depending on how large of a prescription doctors could administer it could be very difficult for junkies to obtain enough pseudo to make meth if they have to doctor shop, get an appointment, and see the doctor to get a scipt. Every methhead that I have ever run across is dead broke, they will not be able to afford a trip to the doctor everytime they need a fix. (I'm not an expert at working the system but somehow I'm sure that they would probably figure out how to visit the doctor at taxpayers expense.) I really think that doctors can be blamed for the pill abuse epidemic in this country. The situation is not unlike that if pseudoephedrine were prescription only (Yes, I just contradicted myself.) Case in point two years ago I broke a bone, I was given a Percocet prescription in the ER on a Monday. I saw my orthopedic surgeon on Friday and he prescribed me 60 10mg hydrocodones. The next Monday (3 days later) I had surgery and he sent me home with a script for another 60. A week later I go in for a check up and he asks if I need any refills. Throughout the whole thing I only took maybe 10 of the pills, while he had prescribed me 120 and asked if I needed a refill within 10 days time. That was just irresponsible IMO. If there are no limits set on how much of a drug that a doctor can prescribe then no law or restriction will be totally effective. My conclusion is that there is no easy answer. The harder it is for the cooks to get pseudoephedrine the less of the product that they will be able to produce and the harder it will be for the methheads to afford their drug (keep your stuff tied down if you have them around!)

If I'm going out for dinner and plan to have a beer with dinner then the gun is coming with me but I'm not drinking more than one beer. If I'm going out drinking (almost never) the gun stays at home.

Why did you start this thread in the first place? It's clear that you do not have the answer to the problem or you would have not started this thread. As an individual that has dealt with methamphetamine addicts on a daily basis and has spent a countless amount of time studying the habits and processes of meth addicts I see the way to stop the problem is to take away their key ingredient. This however will be my last post in this thread. I can debate any topic, regardless of my personal feelings on that topic, but it must be done in a civil way. When you ask a question and someone provides you with an answer it is not polite to respond with "horse feces" if you don't happen to agree with what that person says. That is rude and makes you appear to be ignorant and incapable of holding an intelligent conversation. I seriously doubt that you actually read my whole post anyway. As I have stated, it takes so much pseudoephedrine to manufacture meth that the amount obtained from multiple prescriptions would not be enough to manufacture any meth. If you don't agree with that statement that is fine but instead of just spouting off something such as "oh that's a bunch of horse s***" provide reasons as to why the idea won't work. If there is a way to remedy this situation it will certainly require some sacrifice from society as a whole. I know it is inconvenient to have to sign for you medication, but we must look at this as a trade off. The registry would be 1000 times better if it was linked between every retailer in the state. The drug task force would come into my store and question and often ultimately arrest purchasers of pseudoephedrine products. The agents could pull up all of the buyers pseudoephedrine purchases statewide which was always a very good sign of whether they had a cold or whether they were involved in the meth business, there really is no in between. So although you may think that the registry is not working law enforcement is using the registry on a daily bases to track the activity of the people who are buying this stuff and providing it to meth cooks.