Chucktshoes

Me too.

Say what you want about them, they sell a lot of guns. My first pistol was a Hi-Point. It served me well while I had it.

That reminds me of this incident from a few years back where a face to face conversation got really awkward after one guest assumed the guest was white, when he wasn’t in a conversation regarding the Starbucks Racetogether campaign a few years ago. The whole video is worthwhile, but the fun starts aroun the 6:00 minute mark.

I’ve watched the bodycam video of this incident several times and I can only come to the conclusion of negligence. If you watch the footage closely you can see that every time the female officer is in view, she is safely indexing her trigger finger and exercising good muzzle discipline. Her training stuck and it is a shame that she ended up paying the price for her partner’s negligence. There is no other way to legitimately describe his weapons handling other than negligent and its synonyms. The whole time he was rolling around the house with his weapon in his hand, his finger was on the trigger and he flagged her more than once. The end result was sadly predictable. I pray she is able to fully recover from this incident. I also hope that her partner receives the remedial training he so obviously needs. ***A warning to all parties involved in this discussion.*** Ensure that your posts are limited to the topic at hand. The policy on TGO is and remains that generalized cop bashing is not allowed. Normally threads critical of LE must be related to TN, but I’m allowing this thread to go forward because I believe that we can all learn lessons from this incident. The reminder of what happens when folks get complacent is never a bad thing. Still, be careful with what you say and how you say it. Keep it topical and keep it respectful. You can be critical of LE (obviously I am) but ensure that your posts provide value and intelligent discourse beyond “cops are bad, mmmkay?”

We hold to the state trend in Crockett. About 10% of the population have permits.

Yep, I’m planning on using the Maxim PDW brace. The goal was always to end up with a PDW style pistol.

Recent discovery thanks to a record club I belong to. I feel like the first 40 years of my life were missing something wonderful and it was Blossom Dearie. A repressing of this record is waiting for me at the house and I can’t wait to get home to spend some quality time with it. (Full album)

I picked up a used 10.5” BCM upper here in the classifieds after initially posting this that brought my entry price down by a significant margin. So now I’m just building my pistol out on a lower I already had. The only thing I’m really giving up is the pinned adjustable gas block. C’est la vie.

I don’t think it’s the manufacturers saying that all is needed. I think it’s the market saying to the manufacturers that it’s what they are wanting because it’s what they are buying.

What deerslayer said. The user gets to determine “need” not some asshole from on high. And certainly not a politician.

A suppressor.

A lot of folks still have some major misconceptions about how things work in IL regarding guns.

I also don’t think it was accidental that the person chosen as interim Sherriff came from the dept that ignored BCSO direction and immediately took positive action upon arrival.

I would also imagine that due to Israel‘s leadership, and the manner in which the BCSO acted during these incidents that the entire organization is viewed as being compromised and in need of outside leadership and reform.

I don’t view special interest message boards like TGO as the same thing as Facebook and Instagram either. Even if technically they fall under the social media umbrella. I killed all that stuff a while back. I’m just giving you a hard time.

Ummm...are you sure about that? (TGO is social media.)

The TBI investigator’s testimony casts doubt on Delke’s story regarding the chain of events. I’m not able to say one way or another as I don’t view a badge as an automatic signifier of trustworthiness. Cop or not, anyone in his position has an overwhelming incentive to frame events in as positive of a light as possible. So, I’m of the opinion that at this point he and The People are entitled to their day in court. Now, here’s something where I know we will never agree on, but I’m going to lay it out there anyway. You say you “don’t see how anyone can expect a cop or a citizen to wait until the gun is pointed at them.” I don’t think a citizen can be expected to be held to that standard. The “reasonable person” standard is just and appropriate for the average citizen. A police officer absolutely should be held to a higher standard. If US soldiers in an active war zone are required by their ROE to take fire before engaging with the enemy, I don’t see why it is so unreasonable to require officers to have conclusive proof of imminent threat before killing someone. I don’t doubt the testimony that Delke acted as he was trained to do. Cops are trained not to hesitate because as you finished the above quoted statement, “you are trained that can get you killed.” That’s the problem. The training elevates officer safety over public safety. (If you’re wondering why respect for law enforcement is declining, I’d start looking right there.) I’ve often heard that the first rule of law enforcement is “to go home at the end of your shift.” Well, to use a turn of phrase from our friends from across the pond, that’s utter bollocks. We arm and empower police to use violence up to and including deadly force on behalf of, and for the ends of ensuring public safety. Public safety, not their own personal safety. If law enforcement is really the noble profession that it is purported to be then that means officers actually accepting the responsibility and inherent dangers of putting the safety and well being of all others over their own. That means not opening fire at the first sight of a 12 yo kid with a toy gun, or a lawfully armed citizen following instructions to produce his license, or a man in a Walmart holding a BB gun, or a multitude of other examples of officers freaking out like a scared cat and innocent folks ending up dead. Some of y’all like to complain about folks like me having an opinion on how cops do their jobs while not choosing to wear the badge. Well, as a member of the general public who has to live (or possibly die) with the consequences from their actions, good or bad, from training or mistakes, I (we) damn well do get to have an opinion on the matter. Don’t like it? I don’t care. Know what I don’t like? I don’t like that some guy who’s been trained to be afraid of his own shadow can kill me because my eyes twitched the wrong way and he gets to go home at the end of his shift with no lasting consequences. If the police actually work on behalf of the public, then the public gets a say on how that work is done, even on Monday morning. Now, my words may be a bit harsh on this matter, but don’t mistake me. I don’t have an issue with cops as individuals, but I do have a problem with the job they are expected to do and the way they are trained to do it. I believe that policing in America is fundamentally broken in many ways. If there is to be any hope of fixing it, then all the stakeholders have to be at the table and open to frank and honest discussion.

Well done folks. Well done.

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Dave, thank you for sharing that story. I’m glad that you didn’t have to kill that kid that night for myriad reasons. (I suspect that killing that kid that night would have long weighed heavily on your heart no matter how justified.) You do raise some points that I do want to discuss, but I’m going to hold off on them for the moment. (Several others of you also bring up some general issues regarding policing that I have thoughts about. I am not ignoring your posts, but I am holding off for the time being as I have concerns about drifting this topic too far afield as well as some other personal concerns regarding appropriateness.) I do however want to circle back to the question I originally asked. I haven’t seen where it was alleged that the deceased pointed his gun, only that he ran while holding it. (Since he most likely wasn’t using a holster, it’s not surprising it would end up in his hand, no matter how fatally unwise.) Am I misreading your posts or are you intentionally stating he aimed his gun, and if so where did you see that? I am genuinely curious because that would go a long way to answering my questions and greatly calm my concerns regarding this death.

As long as they’re headed towards your end of the state and not mine!

You might be into something here.

Gridlock I can believe in.