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WARNING! Tisas 1911 is a DO NOT BUY or... (Tanker's Revenge)

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I just picked up my Tisas Stainless 1911 along with that "$300" shotgun for $90. I just want to tell you, if you ordered one and haven't received it yet, you may want to send it back. 

 

If this is your first 1911, and you bought 1 for the 90 dollar shotgun, your getting TWO pieces of Sheet! NOT ONE, but two complete pieces of sheet!

 

Now I will stop ranting and say seriously. First off, the so called "Stainless" finish looks like they milled a frame and slide from a couple of pieces of steel, wiped them down with a scratch pad and threw them together. 

 

I cant tell yet, Im still trying to figure it out, but I swear the ambidextrous safety is made out of plastic and there is a good 1/8th of an inch play on the slide when the safety is engaged. And if it isnt made out of plastic then its the cheapest junk safety I have ever seen on a 1911. The backstrap and all the other metal parts are just pure plain JUNK. Those fancy wood grips have grooves and dimples and the bottom screws are recessed but the top ones arent. I SWEAR there is a good half inch of play in the hammer and the trigger, well, when did they start putting two stage triggers on stock GI's, because thats what it feels like there is so much play.

 

The dovetail, backstrap, trigger, hammer, is all JUNK.

 

The barrel! Another whole story. If you hold the barrel link down, the barrel steel is thicker on the right side than the left. That barrel has all kinds of grooves and gouges in it. Not big, but not Ruger or Smith quality by any stretch of the imagination. 

 

im sure some people like loose recoil springs but when I put on a recoil spring I dont expect there to be an 8th of an inch of play on the guide rod, I also dont expect the spring to just fall out after removing the bushing, every 1911 I own comes out together than disassemble, that might be a nitpicky thing, but its one more part of a gun that every part is JUNK. (Have I mentioned this gun is junk?).

 

The recoil spring plug, I swear this is either a Chinese POS or they used some of their old Turkish issue 1911 GI plugs, because this plug is of the quality of, let me think, Im trying to think of a comparison in quality...ummmm...there is NO comparison, there is no quality here.

 

If I showed you the PAINT on the rear sight including the white dots, you'd laugh. And the rear sight has the same sheety mill marks as the rest of the gun. 

 

This is the Hi-Point, no THE LORCIN of 1911's.

 

But it does have front serations.

 

Seriously, send this POS back if you have one on the way. For $100 less you can get a Rock Two Tone, wait two weeks and for $50 less you can get a Ruger SR1911. RIght now you can buy about any Armscor gun for $75-$150 cheaper and own a way way way better 1911. And as far as that shotgun. Total POS and worth every penny of the 90 dollars I paid for it.

 

Im headed to the range in 30 minutes to do a side by side comparison and shoot. Against my Smith Enhanced and one of my Rocks. Will it shoot? It may. but its not all about shooting.

 

Before you wonder why I didnt just send it back. For one thing I ordered it because of some of the raving reviews by Gun Writers on this thing. More specifically, G&A. Secondly, I have enough parts to replace everything on the gun, which it appears I am going to have to do. Fortunately I own a decent dremel, so a lot of polishing is in order and I think this deserves a REAL review, those guys on 1911.com, I dont know what guns they have been getting but this is supposed to be Zigs top of the line model, if so, then their standards for quality must be pretty damn low. Do you want to have to replace parts on a brand new gun? Spend time polishing. It will cost me nothing, theorietically, to get this thing to shoot, other than some time. Simply because I already have the parts. 

 

But if I were looking for another 1911, it wouldnt be this one. if I were looking for my first 1911, it wouldnt be this one. if I were looking for my FIFTIETH 1911, it wouldnt be this one. 

 

You have been warned. 

 

Video coming soon.,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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What did you expect for a no name 1911 that retails b/w $4-600?


I haven't done a bunch of reading, but the three or four reviews I did read made it sound like a great deal. None of them resembled anything close to Tanker's review. I probably would have been duped, too.
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What did you expect for a no name 1911 that retails b/w $4-600?

 

Actually, I'd expect something a lot better from Buds.  But I've heard similar stories about some of their products lately. And the guy who does all the product reviews reminds me of the shifty californie salesmen we all love.

 

WAY too much hype and wonder to be believable.

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I haven't done a bunch of reading, but the three or four reviews I did read made it sound like a great deal. None of them resembled anything close to Tanker's review. I probably would have been duped, too.

Fair enough.   I've never heard of them before this offer went out.  I looked at it and considered it a warning.  I don't think you can get a cheap, well made 1911.  Then again my only experience with the platform was an old Para and a TRP.  My snap judgment would be "you pay for what you get." 

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There are plenty of no name 1911's that are of good quality. The writers promoted this one. Armscor is not Rock, Armscor is a few different brands. You can take any name and throw it on an Armscor gun and you will get a good gun. I own a Turkish shotgun, its the Tristar Cobra and it is a good shotgun. 

 

This is not a 4-600 gun. Plenty of good 1911's in that range. This was put up by reliable gun wirters as equal (or better) at the price point to Rocks, Rugers and any other 1911's at that point. At Scout I can only guess you have never shot an Armscor gun, I have owned and own about all major brands except Ed Brown (Cant justify the cost) and will say that my Rocks are or were as reliable as the Smiths, Ruger, STI, Wilson and the rest (Thinking I have also never owned a Les Baer but would like to)

 

And this gun hasnt been touted at the $400 price point, its been touted at the $600-$700 price point and recieved glowing reviews.

 

I thins there may have been some lies for promotion dollars on this one. 

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Fair enough.   I've never heard of them before this offer went out.  I looked at it and considered it a warning.  I don't think you can get a cheap, well made 1911.  Then again my only experience with the platform was an old Para and a TRP.  My snap judgment would be "you pay for what you get." 

 

 

Spend $400 and buy a Rock Island. You will have a good 1911 right out of the box.

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Spend $400 and buy a Rock Island. You will have a good 1911 right out of the box.

 

Tanker is right on line about the RI 1911s. I've got one in 45 and one in 9mm. They function and shoot as well as any 1911 I've owned. Not that I've had any of the 1200+ guns to compare them with, but they seem every bit as good as my Smith, Sigs, and Colts.

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Tanker is right on line about the RI 1911s. I've got one in 45 and one in 9mm. They function and shoot as well as any 1911 I've owned. Not that I've had any of the 1200+ guns to compare them with, but they seem every bit as good as my Smith, Sigs, and Colts.

 

You dont have to, you have $1200 quality in a sub $550 gun. And better warranty and Customer service. (I dont know many Companies where you can call or go right to the CEO for help)

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Seriously, send this POS back if you have one on the way. For $100 less you can get a Rock Two Tone, wait two weeks and for $50 less you can get a Ruger SR1911. RIght now you can buy about any Armscor gun for $75-$150 cheaper and own a way way way better 1911. And as far as that shotgun. Total POS and worth every penny of the 90 dollars I paid for it.

 

 

Just a word of warning there though. I was buying an Armscor revolver and between paying for the background check and paying for the gun itself, I dry-fired it a couple of times and a piece of the trigger mechanism fell down inside and locked the thing up solid. I actually felt bad for the gun dealer who couldn't apologize profusely enough.

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Just a word of warning there though. I was buying an Armscor revolver and between paying for the background check and paying for the gun itself, I dry-fired it a couple of times and a piece of the trigger mechanism fell down inside and locked the thing up solid. I actually felt bad for the gun dealer who couldn't apologize profusely enough.

 

I believe that of course, every manufacturer has at least a fluke, with as many guns coming out of the Armscor plant, I would expect there to be a few guns with issues. Check youtube for that guy from last year with his expensive lever gun (Think it was a lever gun), you wouldnt believe something like that would come from Winchester (or Remington, cant recall). And I have even had an issue myself. I bought a standard GI, Martin Tuason. The CEO in Arizona and part owner of the Philippine Plant. When I fired the gun, the magazine release fell apart. Fired one round and the mag, release and spring all came out. Was cut wrong. Martin tells me he will have a replacement on my doorstep tomorrow. So I was thinking, OK, its a 5 dollar part, 3 or 4 days probably. Went out the next day and it was sitting on my front step, inside was the mag release, spring, an extra mag, Rock Island sticker and two business cards with his and his partners personal cell phone number and a message to call one of them if there is ever another problem. On top of that, he called me back that afternoon to make sure the part arrived and fit.

 

Thats service. 

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Yeah. I figured it was probably a fluke. But on the other hand, you have to draw the conclusion, cheap gun, corners cut maybe. Which may be acceptable in some circumstances. That RI 1911 looks interesting now that you've drawn my attention to it.

 

OTOH, the Kel-tec I had was rock-solid and that was very decently priced.

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Dang. I'll give ya $30.00 for the shotgun. ;)

 

 

Wait a miiiinuuutttteeeeee....didnt you just offer $125 the other day? I think your trying to cheat me out of my $300 shotgun.   :woohoo:

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I would be on the phone to buds ASAP requesting a refund and return label. I also have two RIA 1911's in 9mm and they are rock solid, these two guns were in the high three hundreds out the door. The grips are not of my liking which have been replaced. Edited by joe45

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Wait a miiiinuuutttteeeeee....didnt you just offer $125 the other day? I think your trying to cheat me out of my $300 shotgun. :woohoo:


Hehe im bettng that was before your glowing review.

Ive seen the tisas go for 300-400. I was looking forward to someone on here reviewing them.

Now that you know its junk I think you need to see how much $ it takes to make it a tack driver.

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Wait a miiiinuuutttteeeeee....didnt you just offer $125 the other day? I think your trying to cheat me out of my $300 shotgun.   :woohoo:


Who me? Naw, must've been someone else, just figured I'd make a move while your blood was up enough to maybe jump on it. :lol:
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Who me? Naw, must've been someone else, just figured I'd make a move while your blood was up enough to maybe jump on it. :lol:

 

MY....but aren't we a greedy sort today.  Disregard T.N.'s terrible offer...I'll give ya  50 for it. HEHE.

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Hehe im bettng that was before your glowing review.

Ive seen the tisas go for 300-400. I was looking forward to someone on here reviewing them.

Now that you know its junk I think you need to see how much $ it takes to make it a tack driver.

 

The TISAS GI's go for around $369. This is supposed to be their "top of the line stainless".. If this is top of the line, hate to see what the GI's look like. Believe it or not, Im not mad about it. Slightly disappointed, Reason being I expected at least SOME quality. There is none here, and I mean NOOOOONEEEEE!  I just tried to make a video in the basement on my stand but cant cause its too dark, just going to take it to the range and do some short comparisons. im going to fix it, but generally, there might be some rough things, but my R1 didnt cost much more and that thing is damn near perfect, and I could have got another SR1911 for this price or even another R1 (I dont own an R1, own an enhanced, not THAT much difference), truth is, I now have a project gun. I knew full well when I walked out with it it was mine, thats Buds policy, I doubt they would refund my money but I probably wouldnt do it, I am going to see what I can turn this into, a buddy of mine has a 1911 project going on a Para and I want to see if I can do the same thing, in the meantime I would say to anyone looking, dont waste your money unless your looking for a project gun. 

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OK, thats it. I was going to give this thing a chance and do some work on it, I cant even do that. Im not even going to be able to shoot it. Ill be contacting Buds here in a minute. I went downstairs to put it back together and put it in the case and go to the range. The thumb safety would not go back down, when I finally did get it down the slide would not fit past the thumb safety, so I finally got it past the safety (The safety is cut wrong) and something flew off the gun and rolled across the floor and I have no idea what it is because I cant find any missing parts, but something DEFINITELY flew off the gun.

 

If you think Im exaggerating about how crappy this gun is, you live in the area, Ill show it to you, and if you want we can go to the range and YOU shoot it. Its that bad, that quality is the lowest I have seen bar none.  

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The two RIA 1911 (.45s) have never failed me, unfortunately times were tough and I had to part ways with them. I'll will pick up another 1911 in the near future.. Probably a tactical one or some other brand with a Rail and not pinned on front site post..

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If you had a problem with the thumb safety I would look to see if the spring and plunger that holds it in place is missing. just an idea for the missing parts. I would not shoot that gun on a bet.

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Just got this off of BUDS guns website so you should be covered

"Limited Warranty

Linberta, Tisas, Girsan, Canik, ASI and Emporer brands sold by Budsgunshop.com are 100% guaranteed by Buds.

If you have ANY problems with a covered firearm, Bud's will provide your choice of:

Full Refund
New Replacement
Warranty Repair
When you buy a gun from one of the above listed manufacturers...buy with 100% confidence your satisfaction is guaranteed by Buds .


Our Limited Warranty is provided free of charge for the above warranted firearms.

Please send all warranty returns to:
Complete and include the following form with all claims: Limited Warranty Claim Form

Warranty Claims
1105 Industry Road
Lexington, KY 40505



Warranty Specialists can be reached directly by E-mail or 859-559-4614."

Hope this helps,

Joe

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Well I just sent a request for return. See what the response is. I never had to return anything, but I never had a problem either. Told them, I dont want a refund, just give me a credit so I can get something shootable. 

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