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No sure I would go that route anymore. Since I first started this thread, I've re-evaluated my thinking on firearms. First of all, if your on the move, a 1000 rounds of 9mm is going to get REAL heavy quick. If your on foot, your not going to be able to carry that much around. If your in a vehicle, a 1000 rounds takes up a lot of space that might be better served for say a 5 gallon jug of water or food or maybe a large box of nails or something else that's critical to survival. That's one thing that makes the .22 so nice. You can carry a lot rounds without having a lot of weight or taking up critical space that would be better used for something more important. If your not on the move, you need to ask yourself, is 9mm enough for defense or hunting? If I were hunkered down, I think I'd go toward a true rifle round like .223, 30/30, .308, 7.62x39 or 30-06. I'd want something that would reach out and touch something at a greater distance than a 100 yards. I probably wouldn't have a bunch of pistol ammunition. I'd want a lot of rifle rounds, though. Thousands if I were hunkered down, in fact. I'd also have a reloader, powder, bullets and primers. And thousands and thousands of rounds of .22lr and several rifles to rifles to shoot them with.

Saw some here commenting on the "catty" remarks by our diplomatic corp. Actually, that is their job. Those cables were never meant to be public knowledge for at least 40 or 50 years. They are supposed to be candid assessments from our diplomats of their counterparts. If the counterpart is crooked and demands a bribe or even hints at it, then they need to pass that on to Washington. If he or she speaks a certain way or uses certain language or likes little boys or girls then Washington needs to know that too. It's all part of diplomacy. Yes it is embarrassing when these things get out, but I guarantee you that other diplomatic corps are doing and saying the same thing about us. I haven't seen or heard a great uproar from other Governments about these cables. So I think it's really a big to do about nothing. It does educate the public about how things work and about reasons we do things. The leaks of military documents were much more damaging. They put our troops in harms way by telling what/when/how and where we were operating. They can be studied for trends as to the way we operate, though our enemies should already have a pretty good idea on that already. They also exposed contacts on the ground that we were using for intelligence purposes. For this the young private should be tried for treason and if found guilty, be sentenced to death, be allowed to appeal and then shot if that appeal is lost. I understand that the next big Wiki-Leak is to come from a very large American Bank. Rumor has it that is Bank of America. When this was announced last week about the Large Bank release, Bank of America's stock fell quite dramatically. Hate to be them. Should Wiki-Leaks be prosecuted? I don't think so. I think they are doing what our on news organizations would do, if given half the chance and we will never prosecute them. We obviously, as stated earlier by several here, need to clean our house up and tighten security of our documents, so this doesn't happen again.

I have to say I currently own a Glock 17 Gen 1 and it's a fine firearm. Been in my stable longer than any other gun, but it's my wife's house gun now. I owned a Glock 19 3rd Gen, but a buddy was looking for his wife a 19 for carry and being unsuccessful, so I sold it to him. I liked it, but not as much as my Colt Agent. I think they are great pistols, but to each their own, it's just not my favorite.

I have always wanted a Star PD! Had a Sergeant Major that had one on the range one time! Impressive little pistol!!!

Solar stoves are being used in Darfar in the Sudan. They are two cardboard boxes, one inside the other. The inner box is painted black to absorb sunlight, and the heat is trapped with a transparent acrylic lid. Captured solar energy heats up the air in the box enough to boil food and water and bake. There are also plans for collapsible ones on the internet.

My go to handgun is an old Colt Agent .38 snubbie. Comfortable to carry, concealable, accurate and utter reliable with a fantastic trigger pull.

Seems like a Pawn Shop in South Clinton was a Charter Arms Dealer at some point. The only place I've seen them is at shows. I've always wanted the Pug with a 4" Barrel. I think it's called the Target model now. I think the Pathfinder would make a dandy .22 revolver as well, if it's accurate.

I think we would have a bit of notice. An event that big is not going to happen overnight. I have a large part of my family that lives in one area. Once it looks like the end is near, I'd start moving supplies out to their places and then move my family. I'd leave nothing here. Strip it bare. I'd rent a truck if necessary. I'd want to be in place before the final ca-lapse. I'd also clean out my savings and start buying up food and whatever other resources that are available for long term survival. I'd max out my charge cards too. If it's that big an event, who cares. Again, I think we'd have some sort of notice regardless of the event, if it were going to ca-lapse all of society.

Guess I'm the odd man out here, but I've fired both and I much preferred the SIG to the Walther. I liked the trigger on the SIG better and I didn't constantly drop the mag out when when I accidentally like I did on the Walther. Must have shot 50 rounds and with all five mags I accidentally dropped the mag at least once. The release is where the trigger guard meets the grip. Apparently that's in a bad spot for me. Now personally, I'd take my Ruger MkII Target over either on of them. I think it's a better pistol. Very accurate, has an awesome trigger and isn't finicky with ammo at all. So far it's eat everything from Standard velocity target loads to stingers with nary a hiccup.

If you're into food storage, you really ought to think about growing a garden and start canning what you grow. I know my mom and grandmothers used to can green beans, tomatoes, cabbage and fruit when I was growing up. All you need is a pressure cooker and bell jars and lids. Used jars are abundant at garage sales and really cheap. Not sure what a pressure cooker costs. You can also can stews and meat as well. I've seen canned tomatoes and green beans last a couple of years. I also remember my Step Grandfather digging a pit, filling it with straw and then placing all his potatoes in it and covering it all back over with another layer of straw and then about a foot of dirt. When they wanted potatoes in the winter, he'd just go out to the pit and dig him up some. What wasn't used was cut up and planted back in the spring for another crop. Rain barrels are good for water storage and most counties have some sort of rain barrel program where you can purchase plastic 55gal barrels at cost. You can rig up a system that captures all the drainage from your roof. Check with County Extension Programs. The initial thought was that people would use their rain water to water their yards, but I could see using it in a survival situation too. Just fill the barrels form your tap and then water the yard from the barrels. After your done watering the grass, fill the barrels back up. Keeps the water cycled and fresh all the time. No problem with storing unsafe water since it is in constant use. Build yourself a nice fire ring in the back yard and practice cooking over an open fire. Just need three or four dutch ovens. I understand it's addicting, but I've never tried it. Alway keep a rick or two of fire wood so you have a source of heat for cooking and warmth. You can always have a nice camp fire anytime at the house. Keeps some tents set up for the kids too! Encourage them to learn and practice bushcrafting skills out in the back yard. Nothing ever said you had to go camping in the wild to do that sort of stuff. Then if and when the time comes that you and your family may need such skills, your not having to learn on the fly. Just a few thoughts.

Great tomahawk for the price! Here is a good review of it. The Versatile Trail Hawk - Bushcraft USA Forums You'll have to sharpen it after you get it. CS doesn't do a real good job sharpening one of these. Get a Crown Royal bag and you can store the head in it. Makes for safer and easier to store in a BOB.

I have a Ruger MkII that I've had for over 10 years. Not one mis-fire and accurate has the day is long. Can't ever see me trading it for anything else or getting rid of it for any reason.

Dang Leroy! Good read, but you must have been typing the whole night! Love large bore snub nose, but to call them pocket pistols is a misnomer, unless your planning on wearing your pants down around your ankles, cause ain't no pocket going to hold such a beast. Not in a magnum any way. Got to go with belt holster or a shoulder holster. I guess, in my mind, the .44spl is the way to go in a smaller revolver.

The purpose of the PSK is a take anywhere last ditch item. What if you lose your daypack? Then a wire saw becomes very practical. Even Field and Stream recommends hunters put together some sort of PSK just for emergencies. But I understand your point. I now carry a tomahawk and a folding pruning saw in my BOB. Some may prefer a hatchet or even a smallish axe. I look at a hawk as much more than a simple chopping too, but also a good in close weapon. One I recommend is the Cold Steel Trail Hawk. Just remember that the PSK is a last ditch survival package, not the be all end all of survival.

I think your probably right about Satan. There was a huge backlash against the Democrats this year. Sadly some were our friends. I vote Independent with a conservative bent, but I tend to look at the man and not necessarily the party, though that comes into it as well. Actually last Presidential election I voted for Bob Barr. The other selections were crap. But I digress.I would love to see some sort of parking lot carry get passed by the state. If nothing else then to just stick it to all the high and mighty employers out there that think they rule us all. I see all our rights getting eroded not just by the Government, but also private business due to insurance restrictions and Lawyers and I don't like it or them either.

You can also do the same thing with an Altoids tin. One thing I'd suggest you try to fit in there is an emergency blanket if at al possible. Then you have some sort of shelter too. There is an excellent thread on PSKs here. The first post has an excellent setup and is similar to yours with the addition of a USGI compass pouch to store the PSK and an emergency blanket in. Pocket Survival Kit - Bushcraft USA Forums Also on that same site, there is an excellent little video on what to do with that little Turley Knife he has in his kit. By all accounts those are excellent little blades. The maker (It's a custom and he is a member there along with a bunch of other custom knife makers) can't keep them in stock.

Hard to go wrong with one of those pistols. My dad had one and it was pretty accurate. Great little pistol!

Looks like a cross between a Bushcraft and a Nessmuck! SWEET LOOKING BLADE! She did real good!!!

Seems like this is the knife I saw at Walmart on clearance for that price this week. Sharp looking! I like it!

Something made out of concrete would be more structurally sound.

You can currently purchase a Crosman Phantom 1200 .177 cal single stroke air rifle at Wally World for $80. It is supposed to rated at 1000fps with regular pellets and 1200 fps with match grade pellets. Has a Synthetic stock. For a little more you can have one with a wood stock and a scope. I think it runs around $115 or so. I've been real tempted to get one. Might happen after christmas! There are several reviews here. Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Crosman Phantom 1200 FPS .177 Caliber Break Barrel Air Rifle with Adjustable Trigger and Synthetic Stock I agree also about the car. I'd add one thing though. We don't know what sort of event might occur, but the chances of some sort of Electro Magnetic Pulse seem to me to be growing every year. You might want to consider a vehicle that is pre-electronic ignition (think 60's or 70's vintage). EMP will make it a useless pile of metal, plastic and rubber otherwise.

The one drawback I see with this rifle is lack of iron sights. Gotta have iron sights on my rifles. Other than that, it's a nifty little rifle!

DAMN! That's going to have to be BIG POCKET!!! Mosinon, if you want a good American made slip joint, checkout Bear and Son Knives over at Smoky Mountain Knife Works! Good prices, lots of different styles and made right here in the Southeast.

Just heard on our local NBC Affiliate here in Knoxville, that it looks like the Republicans will have at least 66 seats in the TN House. That's a rout anyway you want to look at it! We might actually see a Unrestricted Carry bill sent to Haslam for his signature!

You are correct, but he has to have his Totin' Chip first. Scouts can also have axes, hatchets and saws after they get their totin' chip as well.