leroy

The point is well-taken and i like the analogy; but i disagree on the characteristics of the "perpetrators"....... O.J. had plenty of money to buy lawyers and witnesses with;... the z-man is a "poor boy" in relative terms; he couldn't even get out of jail on bond...   leroy

TMF: RE: the "sherlock" and addin thing... My addin just went the opposite of yours... My "trend" is incredibly poor taste in women (...ive got an older brother and a dear, now "gone home" in-law that had the same problem....)... There's plenty of 'em out there to stay away from... Your "trend" appears to be the "evil genius"/"mean to damsels" thing.... I've seen far fewer "evil geniuses" than high toned harpys with an attitude in my day...   RE: This...   Ill buy that it's addin and that it's a 'trend"; but, to me at least; it dont square with this:     Where's ole george's "...benefit of the doubt ....","...innocent until proben guilty"...., and "...defend people you don't agree with...." thing?   RE: OS comment on "gold diggin"... I figure she wuz diggin with the news media and negotiating her own "deal"... I agree with ya that ole george aint got much; but she may be thinkin that he may come into some money for the "malitious prosecution" and "defaming by the media" thing...  Without george, however, she is nothin...  George is a necessary side-kick for the payoff....   leroy

TMF:  I pretty much agree with your post above (...#112...); with one exception... That exception is that Z-Man aint been tried for this latest "crime" as yet; and there are those of us that couldn't help but think that it might be that there could be a gold diggin harpy involved somewhere.... I dont know if ya have seen this as yet: http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/11/developing-zimmerman-defense-narrative-girlfriend-set-him-up/   I will grant that i havent seen a "rap sheet" for Z-Man; but if he wuz convicted of the other domestic violence stuff or plead "no contest"; i cant see how he could have legally owned and obtained a cc permit for the kel tec he finished brother trayvon off with...   Could you not draw the conclusion from the aforementioned info that he wasn't guilty of them heinous charges it wuz whispered that he wuz guilty of; Which leads me back to the "....You must defend people you dont agree with..." thing??... If the Florida constabulary thought they could have made a case on this stuff; i think they would have.... Police jurisdictions everywhere seem to like whoppin us men over the very thought we might lay a hand on the fairer sex to the point (...i think, at least...) that the "...innocent to proven guilty thing is reversed to "guilty as charged" without trial...   I aint pickin on ya; but it appears to me that you seem to be sayin that Z-Man "beat the system" and is a combination "evil genius" and psycopath... Ya also seem to be sayin that the Florida constabulary let the "old charges" slide by not prosecuting them...I cant buy that proposition either; and i figure im pretty open minded...   I could buy the proposition that lots of folks are tryin to either empty his pockets (...gold diggin harpys...), put him in jail for political gain (...fla political class...), makin z-man's actions the catylist for doin away with "stand your ground" and ccw, or just plain kill him (...the militant crowd); and they are simply continuin their work with this latest "revelation"...   As to the donation for the z-man's "replacement gun"; i dont see that as a bad thing...   On a personal basis; i dont think that shootin a thug that is tryin to kill ya is a particuarly bad thing...It seems necessary and prudent in this particular case here (...that is, if ya believed trayvon wuz beatin the z-man's brains out....) and it makes the world a better place when a thug is gone...I have a bit of a problem findin fault with either of those actions; except for the sad reality of takin a life... The fact is that i think trayvon made his decision long ago to be a "stone cold killa"; it just didnt work out...   As to the "need to shoot thing"; I will grant that i didn't always feel that way... I used to be young myself and could go unarmed and unafraid... I'm a bit older not, and i no longer can do them things...A sucker punch to my snout would probably kill me outright (...geezer and coumadin patient...)... That's exactly why im gonna do my best to see that it doesnt happen... It's funny how a bit of age (...or a good whoopin...) can change your view of the world...   leroy

TMF:  Ole buddy.... I would ask in the kindest possible way; please read the two quotes below and reconcile them for me please....   What in the world has happened here, bruthah???.... Who among us has proposed confering sainthood on the Z-Man or even suggested he is a role model for the "...yutths of america..." or the poster boy for gun rights?.... I'm a bit confused... Please enlighten me here....   Just wonderin.... leroy

Any news on this front?.... I cant find anything...   leroy

  I understand.... My main thrust wuz tryin to point out the "reality" of the situation; along with noting the change in posture.... The best "term limit" is the ballot box; just as you have opined... I'm old enough to remember when a 30 year veteran of the senate wuz turned out over his vote for the infamous Gun Control Act of 1968.... His name, Albert Gore, Sr... It can be done if folks get mad enough at a  politician's actions...   Keep up the good work... leroy

jacob:  RE: post #21 above ... I dont disagree... I wuz merely stating what i read and opining that the Tea Party folk were changing behaviors; .....nothin more...   No one has been a greater critic of lamar alexander's actions than i have... I would llike to see him go too; but my guess is that he wont go until he decides too... He is a polititian first and foremost....  My guess is that he will pass it on to Bill Haslam ALA the way that the great Howard Baker passed his mantle to lamar...    Politics is, at it's core, a dirty business; and no one on either side of the aisle is dirtier than lamar.... He's vindictive, overbearing, headstrong, well-connected, and smart... That is a formidable combination... My advise is that ya better enjoy whatever lamar is doin and keep the pressure up via the Tea Party...  Ya aint likely to outst him... That is the sad reality of politics...   leroy  

Vests, yeah; ar's, yeah; RPG's, no; poision gas and bio-weapons, no; tactical nukes, no; artillery, no; tanks; no; flame throwers, no; house crushing vehicles, no.... Ya get the picture....   leroy

Peace makes an interesting point here... I just got my monthly rag from alexander; he is sayin and doin (...apparently...) all the "right things" from a conservative perspective.... My guess is that he, in fact, thinks the challenges from the Tea Party are serious enough to modify his stinkin behavior now that more citizens are watchin... I count that a good thing....   Keep up the good work Tea Party members!!...   leroy

All:  Interestin read from our buddies at the Legal Insurrection blog:  http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/11/democrats-nuked-the-ratchet/#more-71465   leroy

Unhappily (...for the democrats, at this juncture...) there will be another election in 2014... I'm kinda like Mac; i wonder how the democrats will like the simple majority rule when they are in the minority?... Havin said that; i think Harry Reid is an angry old hoodlum that has coveted the power he is wielding now; and is fond of the "...it's my way or the highway..." mantra... He could give a damn less about the future... For him, the future ends when he goes to his sorry reward... At the end of the day, its not about governing, or political maneuvering; its about power, man....   leroy

Folks; im continually amazed at what i read here...   The fact is that we have an adversarial court system in this country; and that ya are "...innocent until proven guilty..."; and must be indicted for felonious crimes upon a "True Bill" from the grand jury; except when ya are in florida; which i think is a perversion of the law by the florida state attorney that should be addressed...     No one has conferred sainthood on the Z-Man here; and i doubt that any of us would want the "Z-Man" as an in-law or even a distant relative...   He is, in fact, foolish in my view; and that is bein pretty charitable with the adjectives and descriptors here.... All that bein said; he is still a citizen of the good ole usa and the state of florida  and he has, in fact, been given a trial by his peers in which he wuz found "not guilty"...  The state's attorney decided not to appeal this case because they full-well knew it couldn't go anywhere; and there are plenty of folks that think (...includin me...) that he shouldnt have been tried to begin with...   The fact is that Trayvon Martin wuz a dammed thug that got exactly what he asked for... Martin is being used in death to further the political ambitions of Ben Crump on the national scene, to assuage the pain of grieving and doting parents in a sad attempt at semi-deifying and conferring sainthood on a thug son, and to feather the nests of some sorry florida politicians (...democrats and republicans...) to curry the black vote in florida and on the national scene...   The fact is, that this whole thing was never about justice for anyone from the beginning... It was about furthering political agendas on a local, state and national level... Ray Charles (...if he wuz still down on the earth with us...) could see that...   Zimmerman is being painted as a "stone cold killa" (...which, by the way, is what i think Trayvon wanted to be...) who has cheated the system; when nothing could be farther from the truth...  He was, in fact, found innocent of a crime by a jury of his peers in the state of florida, and we (...as well as others have to accept that verdict, even Eric Holder has had to accept it; look who he is....)  I think the truth is that he is a nondescript little guy with some problems that have become very public because of the political head-hunting that is goin on... To not bee able to see that, smacks of some real need for some fairness and common sense calibration of your intuitive judgement glasses....   Everyone here can rest assured that the Z-Man will be tried and tried again until he is jailed in florida because that is, apparently, what the political apparatchiks in the state government want... It doesn't have a dammed thing to do with guilt or innocence; and has everything to do with political pandering of the worst sort; up to, and most possibly including the bribing of par-amours and gold diggin harpys by those interested in feathering their political nests...    I say, if the citizens for florida like that kind of political class persecution and hounding; keep votin for the sons and daughters of satan who are doin them dirty things... I've got friends who moved from the very area that his circus is goin in because of this very sort of thing...   On a personal basis, i could care less about what they do in florida... I'm beginnin to believe it is a separate banana republic type country anyway... The carpetbaggers and racebaiters are busy destroying what wuz a pretty good place to live...   All of us on both sides of this little "discussion" about george zimmerman need to get down on our knees and thank Providence that we dont have a states's prosecutor like Angela Corey and a millionaire political zealot like Ben Crump in this state to do these sorts of things...It was once said that "...citizens get the government they deserve..."... We better hope that we don't get what the citizenry of florida have gotten on this one...   I say "...let there be a pox on both houses..." of those who want to keep on tryin george zimmerman in the court of public opinion... Ya better be worried that this sort of justice doesnt come to a place near you... The hide ya save may be your own...  I say, dont be guilty of the things that the political operatives and apparatchiks of florida are clearly guilty of.... Hounding and continually harassing an unpopular and, quite possibly very foolish little man over and over until ya get the result (...and verdict...) ya want...   That aint justice folks; it's the ultimate injustice... It's nothin more than a re-dux of post civil war reconstruction politics where white (...and nearly white...) folks are being persecuted because of their color; and where black folks are being deified because of their color; all for the sake of politics... The whole dammed thing is offensive to me; and it should be to you as well...   leroy

  YEP... I forgot; old age is terrible.....   leroy

If the right people get hold of this one; it's a long way from over... This whole thing is, in fact, at best, a screw-up on the sheriff's deputy's part; and, at worst, an unlawful use of police power... The sheriff aint much better, much less the Cumberland County educrats...   While im on the subject; it seems to me that some pretty interesting and strange things are goin on in Cumberland county around this sheriff's department anyway... Witness the shooting of the four kids that wuz confessed to by an apparent dopehead and his wife... I think this one is a bit too convenient....   As i remember, he entered a guilty plea and apparently is tryin to waive the trial; very interestin, indeed...   As ive opined before; ive seen some things  over around Crab Orchard in clear sight of the interstate that made me very uncomfortable... I dont anymore believe the dopehead killed them kids than i believe that i killed Cock Robin... There seems to be some very wrong things showin up in lots of places over there; but that's just me... After all, im a pretty suspicious old coot....   This one will be very interesting to watch...   suspicious leroy

All:  Just found this c/o our buddies at "Legal Insurrection"....:   http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/11/zimmerman-girlfriend-shopping-interview-for-money-prior-to-911-call/   We might be right on the "choice of women" thing....   leroy

  M1 is dead right.... Why Glock doesn't do this is beyond my understanding...  If Glock decided to do a single stack version of the 26,27,33 or 36; they couldn't make enough of them...   leroy

Bersa and SW are exactly right.... Everybody needs to pay attention to their surroundings, make eye-contact with folks they meet, and; above all else, be armed and willing to use it.... I'm like lots of other folks have opined; i aint goin into an alley, period... anywhere... If ya stay clear of places where the rats are; ya generally dont have to deal with 'em... We can quibble about the causes of this sort of behavior; but that aint the real problem... The problem is that it is, in fact, bein done... If you aint there to be smacked; they aint gonna smack ya...   I'm a relatively old geezer now; and one good punch would probably finish me off... If ya hit the ground; they will probably gut somp ya and probably kill ya if ya have any age on you; that's why i aint gonna have that happen...   keep your powder dry, leroy

Link:  The "Japanese Winchester" thing caught my eye... In the long ago, Browning imported some absolutely beautiful winchester 92 action rifles in 44 mag and 357... They were all 16 inch carbines and were absolute works of art...We have one on the 44 mag carbines and it shoots like a dream.... My guess is that SKB built them for Browning.... If the Winchesters are built by SKB (...or whoever built the Brownings...); they will be a real rifle...  As to the others: ive not shot, but have handled the ubertis.... They are an excellent rifle....   Good luck, leroy

Aint it a Walther copy of a PP?... Dont think ya can separate the barrel from the frame...  Maybe some walther folks can chime in...  I think it strips down by pullin the trigger guard down an the slide releases forward... The barrel and frame stay together as one unit (...i think; that means i aint sure...)...   leroy

  RE:  "...The fryin pan thing..."... My 24 year old son has a friend who beat the livin s**t out of her estranged spouse, left him in the yard for dead, then called her dad still mad at him evidently hopin her dad would finish the job and kill him.... The dad came over, took a look; and told him that he had come over to kill him; but that it looked like the daughter had come close enough to to doin the job without dad's help.... Sometimes, brutality is the answer....   leroy

Red meat for the "children".... Nothin more...   leroy

Im kinda like Punisher on this one...   It would seem that the "Z-Man" has terrible taste in women.... He seems ta find them carpet-baggin harpys and shrill-voiced, sharp toungued shrews way too often.... That seems ta be the only thing that explains his problem with women...   Maybee the Z-man is lookin in the wrong places for 'em... He may need to move across the track or back in the woods a bit and pick him out a good ole home grown country woman....   The Z-man seems harmless enough ta me; except maybe when he's gettin his brains beat out...   Maybe dear sweet Trayvon hit him harder than the prosecution and we know and addled his "woman picking center" and changed his personality...?   Where's Dr. Neil Clark Warren when ya need him?....   leroy, the pre-nuptual counselor and amateur opiner on the human condition

  I would take a look at throwing out the highest velocity and the lowest velocity and then look at the "range"; if the "range" is, indeed the difference between the high and low; then i would look at the data... I would average the remaining velocities and see what i got; then look at the "range"... I think all the powder is burnin in the 7.5 inch barrel...   RE:  The 20 inch barrel question... If the powder is gettin a complete burn in the 7.5 inch barrel; it stands to reason to me that ya get the same thing in the longer barrel... Complete burn = consistent velocities = low "range"... I would always believe that ya would get more consistent velocities out of a rifle; no cylinder-bore misalignment, no bullet jump across a gap, etc....   I would resize the brass all the way and put a heavy roll crimp on the bullets in the crimping groove and see what that does...  My thinkin on the AA #7 and 2400 is that it is just a tad faster than the AA#9 ... quicker pressure peak, quicker acceleration of the lighter bullet... ... I still think the 180 grain bullet is a tad light for the powder...  If ya intend to use a lighter bullet, my guess is that ya need a tad faster powder...   Maybe someone will do a Quickload run and see if my "guess" is on target....   leroy

The "old timers" will tell ya that powders have a characteristic curve with a hump in some cases that will actually show ya a decrease or even "flat line" after an "optimum" (....read that maximum for that particular powder and bullet weight...) is reached...My guess (...and it is a "guess"; that means that i dont know for sure...) is that you have hit it for the 180 grain bullet at 22.6...   I would be willing to bet that it would keep goin up a bit if the bullet weight wuz increased (...say to 200,  225, 240, even 300...)... AA#9 is a pretty slow burnin powder and the slow burners evidently need a lot of resistance to do their best... My guess is that it's all burnin; but the bullet resistance needs to go up...  That means in english that ya are at the maximum velocity for this particular bullet / powder combination  (...i think...)....   Havin said all that; 1424 fps aint too shabby out of a 7.5 barrel... My guess is that to get the factory (...UMC....) velocities; ya need a bit faster powder... I would try AA#7 or 2400... Maybe some of the guys who do the "QuickLoad" program thing can chime in here... Take a look at the Alliant reloader guide on line... For a 200 grain bullet; the "recipe" is 24.0 grains of 2400 and a cci 300 primer for 1589 fps (...pistol load....)...   leroy

This has been an interestin thread; with lots of stuff to think about...   I tend to look at the historical and here's what i see....   The 1911 semiauto pistol wuz the replacement for that greatest of indian war killers the colt single action army...  It wuz birthed at a time when the good ole us army needed to upgrade it's handgun arsenal at a time when there were troopers in the army and marine corps who were genuine steely eyed grim reapers who well knew what a handgun wuz for and knew exactly how to use it; and those troopers were in both the officer and enlisted ranks...    The semiauto pistol wuz "the next new thing"; just as the machine gun wuz at that time; and the army wuz interested in exploring the practicability of a hard use handgun for calvary use (....remember, this wuz the time when the calvary wuz still the king of battle...)...   The military well remembered the poor performance of the 38 caliber pistols in the Philippine insurrection and many of the old time troopers would not give their beloved single action armies up in that best of old time killers, the 45 Colt....     It's no accident that the military ultimately adopted a semiauto pistol in a 45 caliber; simply because it was a shortened version of the old 45 Colt....  The pistol was a success with men who actually knew about killin (...unlike many of the "so called pistol experts" of today...)... The old timers liked the external hammer and the quick reload of the 1911... The rest, as they say, is history....   The fact is that the 1911 came along at exactly the right time in history... It wasn't a "God Inspired" genius thing; it was the next step in pistol design...  It wuz made in a caliber that wuz a proven killer in the right hands...Simply put, it wuz an updated 45 Colt ALA the old time single action army calvary model from 1873...   The 1911 has reigned supreme on the battlefields and in the hands of the "real steely eyed killers" for over 100 years now... Its only real challengers are the utilitarian plastic pistols made by the pesky Austrians at Glock and the lesser children that are copies of this ground-breaking design... The next classic will be the Glock in whatever flavor ya like.... I tend to think that the 45 ACP is a helluva idea in a Glock; along with the 10 mm; but that's just me...   I'll end this little musing by sayin that the 1911 is a great thing... We've got several of em... I used to carry one... But it's just a "thing" man; as the ole hippy would say.... My only problem with them now; is that they are just too expensive to carry...The next big thing is the Glock; and it's here now...   All this from an old time blue steel and walnut S & W and Colt snob who never saw an N frame smith, a colt single action, or a colt 1911 he didnt like....There aint none of 'em i aint carried... I like 'em all....   Havin said that, all of our blue steel and walnut guns are in honored retirement (...with the exception of a special 629 my 24 year old carries; he just wont give 'em up....), occasonally pulled out to look at an praise the greatness of on warm, sunny days, shown to dear friends and admirers on special occasions...   The "working and carryin" guns that protect the person and the house are the big and little glocks....The others are just collectors pieces from another, greater time and place....   leroy, the 1911 admirer and glock user....