Jonnin

    - right:  I disagree that it cannot be taken away.   Take a visit to north korea to understand this.  Perhaps it is SHOULD NOT here?   It is something you are allowed to do without fear of punishment of any sort from anyone, and if someone does try to stop you from exercising your right you can defend it with your life.  Perhaps the best definition would be if you can make it through the legal system arguing that your right was violated, then you have the right in question (for now...).   - They come from herd mentality.  If almost everyone (or your particular government) in a given location agrees to allow it, its a right.  One can claim the almighty here but HE does not seem to get involved too much with details.    You can claim to have the right to be alive, for example, but I surely know someone who can take this from you, and some governments that would do it without a second thought, etc.  You can claim a right to think/say what you please ... except when someone decides to brainwash you... etc.   - you exercise them by not being shot, arrested, etc as you go about your life.   - its already pretty limited.  If the herd changes its mind, the right goes away.  If government changes its "mind" (laws/behavior/whatever)  the right goes away.  If someone decides to deny you the right against the herd... youll have to fight for it (example, someone decides to murder you).   - nope.  If you can't exercise it, you are no longer having that right.  Generally, in that case, you can't even make a public claim about it in safety ... depends on where you are and stuff, you can still do that in the USA because freedom of speech is not totally gone yet.   - yes.  If you own something, you have the right to it, in general, with all the above limitations to that + more depending on what it is and where you are and what you want to do with/to it.   - yes.  Same as a thing ...  but if you can make it through the legal system with your claim, you have proven your right to the service.   Generally simple things like paying for a service, you have the right to that, for example, because you paid for it .. cellphone, for example.  Within all the limitations...

  I liked most of what you said here but booze reaction time / reality distortion kick in fast and are the primary cause of drunk driving incidents from my understanding of it.   The distortion affect makes the car seem to be going slower than it really is.  So you know you are a bit into your bottle, but your impaired judgement tells you you are fine to drive,  then you get in there and see that 35 zone and 50 feels about like 30 to you but you want to get on home so you decide that 40-45 is better so you are now doing 60, 70 down a 35 mph road.  And your reactions are slowed.  You whip around a corner into a tree (see that one a lot with drunks).  Or you whip around the corner and cut into oncoming traffic, see that one a lot too.  ETC.   Its got very little to do with fine motor control ... they find the GAS pedal just fine and steer pretty well considering their inappropriate speeds on curvy roads.  Its the reaction time and distorted speed sense that get them into trouble.   Someone can correct me if I am wrong. Laughably pot has the reverse effect.   These are the people doing like 20 in a 35.  Thankfully they should pull over at the first food stop.

  anyone can make a lemon.  My 238 was broken out of the box.  I got it fixed.  I shot it hundreds of times.  It stayed fixed.  I trusted it after testing it thoroughly.  Your choices are your own... we sold a S&W at a loss after a repair when it cracked (revolver) ... didn't trust it.  When you get that "cant trust it" vibe, you sell it and move on, it happens.

  This.  My 1909 is absolutely the best made bolt gun I own.  Unfortunately most that are inexpensive are ruined.  It would take a very large infusion of cash from a  good buddy to talk me out of mine.  Its an amazing piece.   Its all matched, was in its original and estimated unfired condition until it turned 100, I decided to shoot it for its birth-year... even has a matched numbered bayo and muzzle cap etc.   I shoot it a couple of times a year now, and its always a treat.      You have to make a decision.   If you can't afford an all matched collector, find a good shooter.  Mismatched guns are not trash... it means they were taken down and rebuilt by someone with intent to USE them ... they tossed the bad parts and consolidated them into working, quality weapons.  Many of them were used after being rebuilt .. they have a history.   The best thing you can do is educate yourself (which you are doing, but I mean in depth here) so you can go to a gun show or auction/estate/etc and pick off something that has been overlooked.  Learn what to look for in a shooter (barrel in good condition) and what you can do to a shooter (recrown and counter-bore, barrel replace, etc).  Learn what to look for in a fake (less of an issue with cheaper offerings).   Learn about what makes one worth owning, and what its value should be.    Try gunboards.com ... the people there know a ton about these guns.  Once you know what to look for, you can spot some good deals at shows and such... but you generally don't have time to make the decision before another person does the same, so you gotta know the answer on a gun cold when you go looking...  tons of people will be doing the same thing, scouting for the gem in the pile.   Also consider the ammo angle.   I make my own -- there just isn't much for the 1909 that isn't expensive -- the 8mm is a little more friendly but even so you could pay a little more on the gun if you made your own ammo cheaply. 

It is a dream at the range.  It might be a tough sell to someone who's hands look like a bunch of bananas but if you can hold it comfortably, it feels great, very low felt recoil.   And the 938 is only marginally bigger.  Might not quite do ankle carry, but I dunno... its fractions of an inch larger for the exact same thing in 9mm.  The 9, however, has a moderate recoil and is not fun for box after box.  50 rounds in that 9 and I am about done for the day.  The 380 I could shoot 500 without any pain.

  What a bersa reminds me of is a Makarov.  There are 380 maks, just make sure about the caliber.   A more reliable and accurate gun is difficult to find.   Heavy, with a da/sa setup, not for everyone, but well made.   I hate my nano, which is the pico in 9mm (similar design, anyway).  Trigger is horrid.  I keep it cause its left hand friendly and a good throwaway gun for beating around where it might be damaged.   I love my sig 238.  It is an awesome gun.  My absolute favorite 380.   The sig will be good for ankle, its lightweight and small.  Pico too, but I don't like it.  And there are like 20 copies of the kel tech DAO 380 which is tiny and light... LCP, etc are all the same thing there.

Welcome!   Not sure what you meant by union carpenter, but if that is one of those forced membership groups that some northern states have, we don't do that here -- totally optional and not required to find work as far as I know.  

we do not have any TV and our cellphones are prepaid (very, very cheap, a few bucks a month, 15 I think?).   My electric bill is higher than my electronics bill. 

that sounds like a GREAT idea.   That should get ...  hang on, doing the math ... about 100 guns off the streets nationwide every year.   In a country where guns roughly equal the population for sheer numbers ... its estimated at like 9 guns for 10 people and that number is probably low.

^^^ if it works, don't mess with it. technically they are somewhere between real jackets and LRN, and it varies a bit from coating to coating.

  How picky are you?  Even the cheap 20-30 dollar scales are within less than 1 grain of accuracy.  I have a cheap one and getting good results requires 3 things: 1) a solid, flat, hard surface.   No give, no movement, level surface.   2) I put the case in the exact same place each time.  Mine has a square surface for weighing and putting the case in the extreme corner works for me.  3) if you didn't know, no wind/air current/ other disturbances and external vibration, etc.   If you want better than 1/2 a grain accuracy or so, you have to throw a lot more money at the problem and get a better scale.   The same as above to use it with good results.   Balance etc also require no external disturbances (harder, they are larger and more prone to disturbances...  you can't just invert a see thru plastic bin over one and kill all the air currents for example) and flat surface and all that.  They also require more time, usually cost more, and are prone to human error (mentally mess up reading the thing... its hard to do that on a digital 5.25 for example type readout).   Not a big fan of them.  

sorry to hear this. I sent you a possibly helpful PM.    All I got on the subject is to go read "shane" again... think the idea was to lay your pointer finger down the barrel to point-aim quickly...  if memory serves.   That aside humans are very adaptable.  It is highly likely you can work the problem out by trying things and seeing what you can do with what you have.

  I love my DE too.   It wouldn't be the last one I sold due to a couple of family owned pieces that would only go if it were that or die, but it would be one of the keepers.   It was one of my first few guns, was looking for a 10 mm and lucked into the DE .. I have been very happy with that choice since 44 mag ammo is much easier to find and goes in a couple of my other pieces.  At the time the 800 bucks felt like my life savings, but its been worth it for over 20 years.   Guns are like other items .. some go up in value and are actually acceptable investments.  Some do not.  Some even go down in value.  They have practical uses but as an investment, ... choose wisely if you want to actually gain value over time.  

  Maybe.   I dunno, is just an image off the web.  Maybe he paid the tax on his right, maybe not.   It does put a stock on a pistol, so yes, its a SBR. 

it mounts on your AR as a forend grip.

^^^  This is true.   The dies can be locked to the turret (and you can use rcbs or other dies if you like) but the turrets do have vertical play.   Its not for high precision ammo.   For higher precision you can take the rotation bar out and clamp it with a c-clamp or two just like he said, effectively making it into a single stage press.   Or you can trim your brass, buy marked bullets (crimp ring, etc) and seat them visually by setting the die deep and pulling the handle with care or whatever method you like.     The powder measure is volumetric too, and certain powders work better (finer the grains, the less airspace and weight errors).     The turret excels at making pretty good ammo quickly with an inexpensive setup.   Single stages excel at making better ammo slowly and are even less expensive.   Its a volume vs quality choice.   If you are not very serious about high precision ammo and accuracy,  the turret makes ammo that goes bang and is suitable for defense drills or short range practice.   Its really not that bad...  I can make 1-2 inch groups at 25 yards with my 9 or 45  off the turret, and they all cycle and feed etc.     A lot of folks have both types.    Where you will notice the turret sucking is rifle ammo at range.  You go 200+ yards and the random errors start to add up faster and faster.  

  I have a lot more than I need, for sure.   I don't collect --- the few that I do not shoot are heirlooms really.   I sold what I did not shoot to fund what I do.  Even so, one could argue that a typical gun owner only "needs"  about 5-10 guns total depending on their required functions.   I have cut way back, but I still buy one every year or so, and my wife matches me, so I am averaging over 1/ year over quite a few years now.     Look.  Everyone needs entertainment.   If firearms are a source of entertainment for you, its fine.   They are for me.  I would say 85% of my guns serve no purpose (redundant or suitable only for playing on a range assuming I could pick and choose which one I grab in emergencies, they would not be amongst those).    I mean, for example I have a S&W escort, a .22 that functions one time in 3.   It is a toy.   I have a rolling block that they do not even make ammo for anymore, 43 something or other that I have so far been unable to fine a substitute round to serve as a case or anything.   Its a wallhanger.    At least your glock will actually function.   Yes, it extends to whatever you do for entertainment.    Usually one's spouse has similar issues ... mine has enough yarn to knit a blanket that would cover the state of TN,  and can't seem to control her "need" for new bling (thankfully she likes cheap hippie jewelery like amber but still).   I have computer stuff. 

  I got mine locally.  Its a bulky and heavy item, so its not going so ship at a rock bottom rate.   And powder, primers are not really fun to have shipped due to hazmat fees.  I just got it all at a gun show, guy had a good price and cut some deals when I added more to the pile.   The turret is a little more than a single stage, so you have to ask yourself if time is more valuable than money for your situation.   Its not that much more and again, with this type of ammo, you will make it back and then some.    I literally save 20 bucks every time I load a box for my 45 revolvers!   Im a tightwad, so I shoot cheap lead bullets (I don't have time nor energy to melt it at the current prices) and whatever cheap powder and primers I can find and I scavenged cases (honestly I had quite a few that I had thought were 44s when I picked them up ... takes a while before you can tell them apart without reading the base).

  this is an interesting point.  At the end of the day it does not matter much,  but I would argue that people that are any of these are all "crazy".   Being "mean" is just exactly that... antisocial, anger problems, chemically impaired (naturally or artificially), whatever the cause, something isn't wired quite right.       There are really just a few motives for violence, though.  Greed.  Religion.  Insanity.  Revenge.  Sex.  Self defense.   All but the last one are arguably a form of insanity if someone is killing because of them.

  45, even "target ammo", is pricey ...  you are looking at $35 for the rock bottom cheap stuff and 45 for the "usual" target brands that you would use in any other gun and it goes up from there.   I have no trouble finding it ... most big stores have a few boxes?   Its just expensive, and the "cowboy" / cheap stuff is not always in stock.  Its also heavy, so shipping can be rough for online buys.  This is the kind of ammo that can buy you a press with your savings if you shoot much of it.   454 is harder to find.  Its less mainstream and you need a very well supplied store, or a gun show, or online buys.   I highly recommend reloading.   You can produce for far, far less money ammo that is of the quality and power level you want.  I carry reloads for self defense.   Its a potential risk if I ever have to use them.  I have accepted that.

  heat. put it in your hot car on some old rags after you have wiped off the thicker bits with paper towels. Much of it will seep out.   If you gun gets wet, clean it when you are done?   I have never had this problem.  But like others said, when the humidity is that high, I stay inside!   I use rem-oil as a general wipe-down .. spray and wipe.   Its relatively cheap and available and spray on is quick and painless to get it done.

welcome!

its probably an excuse to bust people for sneaking in snacks that cost less than $50.  Cause they will never find a gun like that... the good purses etc have hidden compartments and it takes knowing about them to know where to look which the 15 year olds at the theater won't have.   My wife has had her bag checked at places and they totally missed the gun .. just as we knew they would.  They found a camera on someone else, though.  The place was not posted, so I am not sure what they could have done if they had found it anyway beyond asking us to leave.    Real security costs money and aggravates people who don't like the delay for it.   We will not see real security at places like this in my lifetime, it simply costs too much.  

This is one of the best so far (out of a lot of good ones!).   Its extremely attractive.

sadly the medical stuff I need is not stockpileable... prescription stuff, got a little extra but not enough for a prolonged scenario, and one of the really will be very, very bad without it (wife's).   I lack electricity / generator.   While we have a lot of food, I would hate to lose the frozen section. I lack portability.  We could live at the house for 2, maybe 3 months, but I am not easily going to be able to go elsewhere.  Like anything else, depends on what happens.  Lose power / water/ city shutdown for a month, I would be fine.   Terminators take over the world, I would not last long crawling around in the woods or ruins.