Sig P320 - Carry, Range Only, or Sell

[ck1 actual]

1 hour ago, deerslayer said:

Every 320 I fired had a meh trigger.  I admit that competitive shooting has gradually made me a bit of a trigger snob, but I've never seen one that fired after anything close to a measly 1mm of trigger prep. 

 

Which of these recalls and upgrades were because the gun was mechanically dangerous?  I hope you don't mean the NY1 and NY2 trigger springs - those were merely optional parts that interested pretty much no one except a few New York police bureaucrats who wanted to mimic their old issued DA revolvers.  Ironically, the NY springs don't even fit currently made Glocks.   

 

Glock triggers are comically bad, like the worst on the market.  

if you want to see a Glock fire using the trigger screw “test”  that WGP did you can see it here.  Manipulating the trigger in any way kind of defeats the safeties on any gun. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/P320/comments/1mbx58w/glocks_have_the_same_issue_everyone_says_is_only/

A small list of Glocks problems over the years:  

First it was the April 1992 Product Upgrade, public disclosure of which was spurred by the AD Heard 'Round The World, but which had its origins in Glock's 1991 failure in the DEA "frisbee test."

Then it was the contentious issue of the Glock kB!s which the Smyrna, Georgia importer of the immensely popular Austrian-manufactured handgun has yet, more than 11 years after the catastrophic failures started happening on a regular basis, to properly address.

Next up were the defective guide rods of the Models 26 and 27 built between mid-September and late-October, 1999.

Then came the mysterious "Phase 3 Malfunctions" for which Glock, Inc. staunchly denied responsibility for almost six years before sucking it up and sending a mini-machine shop to City Island, NY to retro-machine over 26,000 of NYPD's Models 19.

The days after this news broke, a tip from a source in the 703 area code reached TGZ that "Glock has a big problem:"

Glock has recently discovered a serious structual problem with their guns. They redesigned their rear slide rails many years ago to make them longer, but for some reason shortened them again in the last couple of years. This shorter rail, coupled with some bad steel and a machine that stamped the rails incorrectly, is now causing some rear rails to break off the guns. When the rail breaks, it can lock up the gun. 

Glock went to the FBI and told them about this problem and quietly replaced over 700 frames. They apparently have no intention to tell their other customers about this problem. This problem affects ALL models of Glocks and TENS OF THOUSANDS OF GUNS. The DC Police with 4000 guns, NYPD with 35000 guns.

They have a major recall situation on their hands, but like their infamous "upgrade," this will never be called a recall.

Although the same defect is present on all the polymer pistols, the company doesn't think the 9 x 19mm cartridge "is powerful enough" to break the rail.

Glock Inc.'s initial solution, curiously published on the Glock Shooting Sports Foundation site as opposed to the official Glock site, offered the following:

We have made the decision that in the interest of customer service, replacement frames will be offered to anyone who has a firearm in this range ("a very small percentage of GLOCK pistols produced between September of 2001 and May of 2002") and decides to take advantage of this offer. The replacement frames will have identical serial numbers to our customer's original firearm except the numeral 1 will be added as a prefix.

I think the min recalls were in early 90’s and early 2,000’s if I remember correctly?

[TheNewRedneck]

Sig sent out additional letters yesterday, to dealers.  Basically they said, “The gun has no problems, please stop banning them at ranges, and sharing the risks of having them.”   Yeah, they are denying the problem non-stop.   To me, from a business standpoint they are handling this very poorly.   It’s putting Sig in a very negative light, people are concerned and worried that they could accidentally be shot, given that some people have died now.  

Doesn’t really matter if they feel the gun is safe, the public doesn’t, and that will hurt them more than anything else.

[TheNewRedneck]

FYI here is what SIG is sending out.

[deerslayer]

9 hours ago, ck1 actual said:

Glock triggers are comically bad, like the worst on the market.  

No argument from this trigger snob, but they are pretty easy to tune. 

9 hours ago, ck1 actual said:

if you want to see a Glock fire using the trigger screw “test”  that WGP did you can see it here.  Manipulating the trigger in any way kind of defeats the safeties on any gun. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/P320/comments/1mbx58w/glocks_have_the_same_issue_everyone_says_is_only/

 

That guy prepped the trigger a lot more than 1mm and no Sig I’ve ever handled hits the wall after only 1mm of movement.  
 

9 hours ago, ck1 actual said:

A small list of Glocks problems over the years:  

 

First it was the April 1992 Product Upgrade, public disclosure of which was spurred by the AD Heard 'Round The World, but which had its origins in Glock's 1991 failure in the DEA "frisbee test."

Then it was the contentious issue of the Glock kB!s which the Smyrna, Georgia importer of the immensely popular Austrian-manufactured handgun has yet, more than 11 years after the catastrophic failures started happening on a regular basis, to properly address.

Next up were the defective guide rods of the Models 26 and 27 built between mid-September and late-October, 1999.

Then came the mysterious "Phase 3 Malfunctions" for which Glock, Inc. staunchly denied responsibility for almost six years before sucking it up and sending a mini-machine shop to City Island, NY to retro-machine over 26,000 of NYPD's Models 19.

The days after this news broke, a tip from a source in the 703 area code reached TGZ that "Glock has a big problem:"

Glock has recently discovered a serious structual problem with their guns. They redesigned their rear slide rails many years ago to make them longer, but for some reason shortened them again in the last couple of years. This shorter rail, coupled with some bad steel and a machine that stamped the rails incorrectly, is now causing some rear rails to break off the guns. When the rail breaks, it can lock up the gun. 

Glock went to the FBI and told them about this problem and quietly replaced over 700 frames. They apparently have no intention to tell their other customers about this problem. This problem affects ALL models of Glocks and TENS OF THOUSANDS OF GUNS. The DC Police with 4000 guns, NYPD with 35000 guns.

They have a major recall situation on their hands, but like their infamous "upgrade," this will never be called a recall.

Although the same defect is present on all the polymer pistols, the company doesn't think the 9 x 19mm cartridge "is powerful enough" to break the rail.

Glock Inc.'s initial solution, curiously published on the Glock Shooting Sports Foundation site as opposed to the official Glock site, offered the following:

We have made the decision that in the interest of customer service, replacement frames will be offered to anyone who has a firearm in this range ("a very small percentage of GLOCK pistols produced between September of 2001 and May of 2002") and decides to take advantage of this offer. The replacement frames will have identical serial numbers to our customer's original firearm except the numeral 1 will be added as a prefix.

I think the min recalls were in early 90’s and early 2,000’s if I remember correctly?

I never heard the “AD heard round the world”, but the 92 upgrade was a couple free parts a monkey could swap in five minutes.

The kB stuff was mainly due to lead bullets not getting along with poly rifling barrels that hadn’t been cleaned lately and the manual clearly stated not to use lead bullets. 

They did have guide rod and frame rail problems with a couple new models, but I don’t recall anybody getting injured, much less killed by these issues. 

It is interesting that your post mirrors this guy’s Glock-bashing post from 2004:

https://www.armslocker.com/threads/a-brief-history-od-glock-problems.28088/
 

These problems were all resolved a long time ago.  

 

[ck1 actual]

1 hour ago, deerslayer said:

No argument from this trigger snob, but they are pretty easy to tune. 

That guy prepped the trigger a lot more than 1mm and no Sig I’ve ever handled hits the wall after only 1mm of movement.  
 

I never heard the “AD heard round the world”, but the 92 upgrade was a couple free parts a monkey could swap in five minutes.

The kB stuff was mainly due to lead bullets not getting along with poly rifling barrels that hadn’t been cleaned lately and the manual clearly stated not to use lead bullets. 

They did have guide rod and frame rail problems with a couple new models, but I don’t recall anybody getting injured, much less killed by these issues. 

It is interesting that your post mirrors this guy’s Glock-bashing post from 2004:

https://www.armslocker.com/threads/a-brief-history-od-glock-problems.28088/
 

These problems were all resolved a long time ago.  

 

Grok AI pulled the data.  
 

And yeah, problems that happened in the 90’s are solved now.  

[deerslayer]

32 minutes ago, ck1 actual said:

Grok AI pulled the data.  
 

And yeah, problems that happened in the 90’s are solved now.  

It doesn’t look like Sig is interested in solving theirs. 

[1fast4by]

I present to you...

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40 minutes ago, 1fast4by said:

I present to you...

AK guy posted this yesterday on his youtube channel.

[Alleycat72]

Sig: use the 320 or we will sue you. LOL at least Washington state at this point.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Alleycat72

[HanSolo]

Did ICE and other agencies ban them?  If Sig is telling the truth and all of that going around including that video shared is BS, I would be pissed as well.   Also, if there were a problem with those specific guns, why has Sig or anyone not released a report examining these guns that fired on their own.  This is a little madness, unless government agencies are doing the evaluation which at the speed of government should only take 20 years.

[threeshot]

On a different forum which is approaching 3,000 posts regarding the Sig Sauer M18/17/p320, with daily updates of p320 bans occurring at various training facilities for police and public as well as more bans at various police departments or police departments evaluating banning the p320.

I am providing the following more recent developments shown below.

"Sig themselves discovered primer strikes when the gun was subject to vibration. Here's a report, done by professional engineers in August 2022, who discovered that Sig had evidence of those primer strikes back in October 2021.

Look at page 15 for the narrative, and 16 for the photos taken by Sig themselves. It's possible that those particular primer strikes weren't strong enough to ignite them. But the photos absolutely show that there can be uncommanded strikes. As to why Sig's written product contradicts their own photographic evidence, I can't say."

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XCGiOsP9aymOaEKg6pLSObYXM9tRBv4p/view?pli=1

The first FBI report from Michigan State Police p320 uncommand discharge incident which MSP then sent the M18 to the FBI for testing.

https://www.outdoorlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/MSP-M18-Pistol-Evaluation_FINAL_Redacted_Outdoor_Life.pdf

Dick Fairburn's video whom has first-hand experience in weapons selection program provided a very good overview of the issues with Sig Sauer as a company, the cost saving third party manufacturing (Metal Injection Molding) of parts and the p320.

Yes, it is long video of 48 minutes. I recommend not fast forwarding through the video except for the sponsor section.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuVWCVsn4Yo

Air Force P320 Inspection Guidance Leaks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuywB41xi0k
 

Edited 2 hours ago by threeshot

[JohnSutton1980]

I agree with Frog. Sell it. Until Sig admits there is an issue and puts a fix forth to combat this terrifying issue, sell it. If you can. There are just so many more reliable, SAFE, and dependable options out there to keep it around. I had a P320 M17 that was a blast to shoot and play with. Once the uncommented discharges became more of a commonplace issue, I ended up selling it and have not missed it one bit. I do feel for those who don't know about them and the ones that are hurt by them. I don't though, feel for those who keep their head in the sand. 

[Darrell]

I'm not sure it would be right to sell a firearm if you truly believe that it's a safety hazard. My inclination would be to set it aside and hope that one day Sig will do the right thing. If not, then I guess I'd just take the loss and destroy it.