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Due to recent admonishments, I won't get too deep into this argument with you. All I will say is that you have taken this position is completely unsurprising to me. I would have expected nothing different from you other than to support and defend a couple of state sanctioned murders and those that committed them on the state's behalf.

Those who hire the repugnant are destined to reap the harvest of distain... .   I would never do business with anyone, no matter how winsome who chooses to hire a genuine murderer; or an accomplice to murder... . The hell with Troy Industries and their stinkin pimps and "trainers"...   leroy

Since we've stirred this hornet's nest up a bit, so to speak, i think folks need to bear some human nature things in mind.    The first is this; you are what you are.... .  If you are no good, it will soon show up if you are given enough power and lee-way.  That's exactly what happened with the Randy Weaver thing.     It got several people killed, some of 'em murdered (...i think...); all over a "failure to appear in court" and shortening two single shot shotguns 1/4 inch under the 18 inch minimum decreed by law.  There wuz one reason and one reason alone, that a US Attorney and the gubmt fooled with this; and that is that they wanted to make an "example" out of Randy Weaver.... . My guess is that it wuz to help the political aspirations of whoever the US Attorney in that territory wuz; or, worse, yet; to send a message to anyone who would defy or ignore Uncle Sam that the consequences of ignoring him are very deadly and final...     Never believe the fairy tale that says that all gubmt servants are selfless patriots.   Some of 'em would be accessories to murder in order to feather their nests; and would cover their tracks and withhold evidence while doin it; just like they did in the Weaver case.  Take a look at what happened in Florida the other day...   There are apparatchiks in the gubmt at all levels that will do most anything to either get what they want or cover for what they have. Ergo, the evidence tampering in the Weaver case.   These apparatchiks have willing accomplices who will plead that "they were just doin their jobs" when they are confronted with wrongdoing... That brings us to the FBI hostage rescue guys.... .   They knew full well what wuz right and wrong; but they choose to curry the favor of those for whom they work... . It takes courage to refuse an unlawful order; and they (...sadly...) didnt have the backbone to say no.... .  I suspect they figured that in the long run that they would be protected... .  It turns out that they were.... .   Government outrages like what happened at Ruby Ridge and at Waco are exactly why lots of people hate the government.   The fact is that we live in an imperfect world full of imperfect people.   Some of them with even murder for Uncle Sam... .   Never believe that government is always right and justified in what they choose to do... . It aint so.   From my perspective, the last people that i ever want to come to see me is the dammed US Attorney or (....God forbid...) the FBI... .  The sad truth is the Uncle Sam and some of his apparatchiks look a lot like Uncle Joe Stalin and his inner circle from time to time... .     Do i think they are all that way?... No.... .  Do i believe that they are enough of them to be noticeable?... Yeah... . Sadly.   leroy

Stay out of anywhere within a 10 mile radius of downtown Memphis, at all times.

I started mine at 5-6. We started with bb guns and move up as expertise is gained. sent barefoot from the hills of Tennessee

We have the right to resist an unlawful arrest.

  but I moved here from South Florida where I will have you know i was made a naturalized Floridian by some cracker at a NASCAR race,

I'm not even going to comment on the direction this thread is headed, as it has risen my blood pressure already. What I will say is Troy has lost my business. Two of my AR's run their handguards. While I can't say I'm going to rip them off of those guns and start over, I will say I get a sick feeling when I pick them up now. It may just come to me replacing them with a company's that doesn't suck at the tit of government

Her claiming to be a gun owner that supports gun rights is like the racist who claims to have a black friend. Just a way to show a connection and make themselves seem more relavent.     I wonder how long it will be before those who represent us recognize how much support they could get if they supported us. A lot could get a lot more votes if they declared, and acted like, they supported gun rights.

  I'm calling a FTFY violation.  :) Where's Robert?  :rofl:

  Weaver did not open fire on the "cops".  They opened fire on him.  Maybe you could tell us what Weaver was finally convicted of that warranted the murder of his son and wife?   You should remove the American flags in your avatar and replace them with something more appropriate for those who love tyranny.

I'm waiting for the famous quote from Dave...."back when I was a cop"   It never fails.

Ever think its cheaper to manufacture this stuff elsewhere because US business has been regulated into the ground? Why make it here and go out of business instead of making it else where and turning a profit? Seems like a no brainier. That isn't the manufacture selling out; that is the result of an over regulating government.

on my 3rd attempt=trips to the range. limit of 5 shots each on the 2 nickels at 400. my goal is to get them both on the same attempt. but I am still happy. at first I use a piece of carpet that I spray painted the back side white and glue the nickels to it, so they would not be lost when/if hit but that did not work well I had very hard time just trying fine/see them. so this time I wrapped a piece of white paper around a piece of card board the glue it to the carpet then use a 3" shoot-n-see and glue the nickel to the center. so at the Montgomery county shooting complex today I got my first nickel kill at 400 yards, woo who!!

finish is 99% picked up on a trade last week. I love these old revolvers..they really don't make them this nice anymore.

While sitting on the dove field today I had the opportunity to talk at length with TWRA officer Mike Murdock, Robertson Co. During the course of our conversation, the topic came up of a dove hunter inadvertently shooting the wrong species. Officer Murdock stated that he understood that it's usually just a mistake, but that he does write tickets for it. He feels that, as a hunter, you have the responsibility of being able to positively identify the species you are hunting. I agree, and this is also especially true when duck hunting.    As we were talking, a kid, probably 16, shot a bull bat by mistake. It dove into the standing corn. The officer and several others saw what happened. Officer Murdock shock his head in disbelief and headed off into the corn to attempt to recover the bird. We were packing up to leave and drove off before they came out of the corn, but I am sure the kid got a citation, and rightly so.    I have seen it happen many times on dove fields. Swallows, larks, starlings, kestrel hawks, and now bull bats, all fall pray to untrained hunters. I was hunting today with a broken leg, on crutches, really just to supervise the two kids I had out hunting with me. I don't have any doubt that my kid hunts safe and smart. She has had it drilled into her since before she ever went afield. I guess I just don't understand how a hunter makes these mistakes. Why don't they take the same due caution?   We also had a young woman shoot at a low bird that was between us and her. Thankfully we were just far enough apart that we didn't get peppered. Her husband walked over and explained to her not to shoot at low birds. She didn't do it again. I am sure it was a case where no one had explained the situation to her. However, it was a situation that could have ended with another hunter with a face full of 8 shot. I can't imagine taking a new hunter out and not stressing the importance of safe shooting beforehand.    Please, if you take a new hunter out, make sure you take the time to teach them the importance of being a safe and responsible hunter. Don't be responsible for creating another "Bubba" hunter that doesn't respect the sport.      BTW, Officer Murdock seemed like a helluva nice guy. Glad to have met him today. 

Kimber Stainless Target II using Falcon Bullets and Clays powder. 23yds 12rds, I'll take it. [URL=http://s257.photobucket.com/user/dlmeadows/media/falcon.jpg.html][/URL]

I named this one Rupert, but I eventually relocated him, his sibling and their mother. The dad I never could catch but he eventually moved on.

Stay out of the south and north ends after dark and don't go galavanting around looking for trouble and you will be fine. It isn't great by any means, but it isn't as terrible as some would have you believe.

  Here we go again.  :rolleyes:

That doesn't help your case. Once you leave the panhandle, the rest of Florida is not the south. It's a chunk of Long Island that broke off and drifted down.

... besides the city of Memphis?

  Here we go again.  :rolleyes:   Mustard is the king of condiments.  Mayonnaise is Satan's....well, you know.

Either they got scruples, or they don't. That matters to me.

Back to Troy for a minute. Yep... they're on my permanent shit list. 

I think he needs a secretary to write his responses.  He sounds like a dumbass.

Rather than ban things based on sound why don't we get the government to issue us free ear plugs. I know I could use a fresh set every day.

This is why I hat3 the man working for Troy Industries now. He was the spotter for these shots. "Before the negotiators arrived at the cabin, FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi, from a position over 200 yards north and above the Weaver cabin,shot and wounded Randy Weaver in the back with the bullet exiting his right armpit, while he was lifting the latch on the shed to visit the body of his dead son.(The sniper testified at the later trial that he had put his crosshairs on Weaver's spine, but Weaver moved at the last second.) Then, as Weaver, his 16-year-old daughter Sara, and Harris ran back toward the house, Horiuchi fired a second bullet, blowing off half of Vicki Weaver's face and killing her, and wounded Harris in the chest. Vicki Weaver was standing behind the door through which Harris was entering the house, holding their 10-month-old baby Elisheba[51] in her arms.[53] The Department of Justice Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) Ruby Ridge Task Force Report (June 10, 1994) stated in section I. Executive Summary subhead B. Significant Findings that the second shot did not satisfy constitutional standards for legal use of deadly force.[54] The OPR review also found the lack of a request to surrender was "inexcusable", since Harris and the two Weavers were running for cover without returning fire and were not an imminent threat. The task force also specifically blamed Horiuchi for firing through the door, not knowing whether someone was on the other side of it. While controversy exists as to who is responsible for approving the ROE that were being followed by the sniper, the task force also condemned the so-called "rules of engagement" allowing shots to be fired with no request for surrender." They took a bad shot, on shitty shoot on sight ROE. And still people defend their actions as right. Maybe he should have let that shot go. Seems even the legal system agrees he was in the wrong. So go ahead and support you good ol boys with a badge Dave. I hope it rest easy on your mind that you have no issues with murder as long as the man behind the trigger has a badge. Tapatalk ate my spelling.

  What in the heck are you talking about?  The government does nothing wrong.  Anyone who says such has turned their back on their country. ;) :stir:

[quote name="DaveTN" post="1025637" timestamp="1378137473"] Vicki Weaver is dead because of Randy weaver and Kevin Harris. The first shot Horiuchi took hit Weaver; the 2nd went through Harris and killed Vicki Weaver, he hit both his targets on the run. I’m not upset they hired Houriuchi’s spotter. Weaver and Harris should be in prison for murder.[/quote] Oh I'm sorry. I thought the man who shot and killed an unarmed woman holding a 10 month old child should be in jail for murder. As should his spotter. They would quickly run a military sniper up for doing the exact same thing, so whats the difference? Maybe they should have left the people at Ruby ridge alone is what they should have done. Not that your postion suprises me. You defend to the death anyone with a badge or goverment title. Even a piece of shit like this. Tapatalk ate my spelling.

And where do you think the government is getting all that money for "unsustainable subsidizing"?  I'll give you a hint, they're stealing it from successful businesses and individuals who are having to compete on an international stage :)   The government doesn't create wealth they can only redistribute it, so if they're propping up some businesses it's at the expense of others... many of which then relocate offshore because the tax and regulation burden is much lower.    

Troy is dead to me.

For anyone who thinks the US government may not be a part of the problem please explain why we have the 2nd highest effective corporate tax rate in the world.  Even higher than just about all, if not all, of the most socialist countries. Why would any company bring any of their earnings to the US with such a punitive tax code?  Just ask GE or any of the other large corporations.  Want to see who pays what?:   http://www.kpmg.com/global/en/services/tax/tax-tools-and-resources/pages/corporate-tax-rates-table.aspx   Just a small, but important, part of the problem.

Along those lines, workers who have no desire to learn skills DEMANDING higher wages and when market won't support it, going union.  This week fast food workers (in New York and other big lib cities) struck demanding a doubling of the minimum wage.    I won't name the place but I learned that a place I formerly worked at has probably lost their contract.  They brought in the union at the location and told them, the only way to compete to keep the contracts are to FREEZE wages and for one portion of the group, remove some extraneous extra incentives.  No change to base pay or insurance packages.  They seem to think the management group was just bluffing and refused any changes to the agreement.  Now they will all be looking for employment.  Good work to that leadership group.    Find your place in life and know what your abilities will bring.  Then live within those means and quit looking up at those willing to work harder, get smarter and produce more, with envy.

Here are some top picks in the Nashville dining scene. I've tried to group them more by price than by cuisine. I've avoided naming any regional or national chain restaurants. These are all local Nashville places.   $$$$ Reservations highly suggested for any of these Etch Kayne Prime <<best steakhouse in the city Husk  <<New place. The foodies are going crazy over this one. Germantown Cafe (ask for a seat by the windows for one of the best skyline views around) Capitol Grille at the Hermitage Hotel   $$$ Merchant's (downstairs) Tin Angel F. Scott's Mad Platter Midtown Cafe   $$ Jackson's The Pharmacy biergarten M.L. Rose (2 locations now) Batter'd & Fried Cafe Coco Coco's Italian Market Noshville Deli Mafiaoza's Pizza Broadway Brewhouse (5 locations around town) The Cottage Cafe (in Bellevue...If your wife's a girly-girl, this is a nice Saturday lunch spot to take her to.) Swanky's Taco Shop (sort of becoming a chain, but still small enough for my list) Puckett's (both downtown and in Franklin) 55 South (Franklin) Shalimar Indian Monell's <<Southern food, family style servings   $ Pizza Perfect Baja Burrito San Antonio Taco Company Varallo's Chili Parlor Arnold's I Dream of Weenie Merridee's (Franklin) Cuova Calypso Cafe  <<tasty Caribbean food     BBQ gets its own category 'cause it's awesome. There's no shortage of places to try around here. Edley's is popular, but I'm personally not crazy about it. 2 locations now. Slow & Low has some killer brisket. Good beans, but the greens are soupy. Judge Bean's in Brentwood is good. Stick to the beef brisket. Texans can't make good pork BBQ to save their lives. ;) Pegleg Porker is the newest place and is getting some great press. I haven't tried them yet. They're in The Gulch, so may be a great choice before a show at Station Inn. Jack's is good if you're downtown. Otherwise, there's better. Tex's off Murfreesboro Rd. has good brisket, smoked turkey, and sausage. Pork is better than at Judge Beans', but there's better elsewhere. He has good sides. Only open for lunch M-F. Bar-B-Cutie is decent. Certainly not the best but it does the trick if you're jonesin' for some que and it's close by. They have some of the cheapest prices around. Hog Heaven behind the McDonald's at Centennial Park. Grab your 'que and find a shade tree in the park (no handguns in Metro parks though).   Last category is hot chicken. It's one of Nashville's culinary landmarks. Prince's is kind of the standard, but it's in a really crappy part of town. Hattie B's Pepperfire 400 Degrees     Local Taco was mentioned above. The last time I stopped in there a few weeks ago, their health score was atrocious. For that reason, I can't recommend them right now.   You'll hear good things about Sunset Grill and Cabana. Both are Randy Rayburn's places and he's a big anti 2A guy. FYI. I've probably listed a few in here that are also owned by anti's, but not to my knowledge.     ETA: Calypso Cafe and Monell's

the final straw for me was the daily friend request from my wife's stepmother.  At one point she called and wanted to know why I did not friend her.  That is when I got rid of it.    that woman gets on my last nerve.

  Gingers are scary like clowns.   Something about red hair.  The less red the hair the less evil they seem.   You would be evil no matter how red you are.   ;)

If you need inspiration to get rid of ginger ale, add Jameson or Tullamore Dew and a splash of ginger syrup. An "Irish Ginger" is a tasty tasty thing. ;)

As Chucktshoes mentioned avoid North and South Memphis after dark. I say unless you live there, avoid them at all times. I don't believe that there are many cell phone towers located directly in the bad areas. If there were we would routinely be hearing about some type of theft or outage. If you have to work in either area keep your head on a swivel and leave soon as you conduct your business. Do your paperwork someplace else. Both areas have some good people living there, but you also have the typical inner city element that is always looking for an opportunity to enrich themselves at someone elses expense. As far as downtown, Beale is pretty safe because you always have eyewitnesses and a heavy cop presence. Beale had issues with two clubs. One has been closed and the other is under strict observation. I don't party, so that hasn't been an issue for me in nearly thirty years. There are two cop stations near downtown. You have a new station on Crump less than a few minutes from downtown and you have a station on Front street at the train station. I work downtown and I have friends who have lived downtown for a while without issue. The Riverside park area is safe during the day with roving cop patrols and stationary cameras. Speaking of cameras, chances are if you are within a few miles of downtown Memphis the odds are high that you are being observed by "Big Brother". That camera system is one of the reasons why crimes get solved so quickly. The Harbor Town area of downtown is as safe as any other community with the exception of thieves taking advantage of people leaving GPS devices and purses on their seats. For me, the biggest issues that you will encounter downtown are the panhandlers and gangters on weekend nights down near the river. Some people think that it's romantic to be near the river after a concert, dinner or game. Not a good idea. You have youth who walk/drive to that area hoping to catch Romeo and Juliet getting intimate or some poor slob drunk off of his ass. The suburbs and midtown are good to go, but from time to time you will still have crimes of opportunity or Memphians willing to risk their luck with the fast response times of some very good small police departments. Memphis can be a bit overwelming. I experience that sensation when traveling up north. My recommendation would be to follow the basic rules of safety that you would practice in any unfamiliar city, and avoid any random groups of young men. Lots of times it seems that the teens are very spontaneous and commit crimes for no other reason than boredom. I hope that this helped. Enjoy your visit!

    that is flat out not true.   Very little of Florida is like Long Island.    Del Ray and most of Boca Raton I will not argue about.  Once you clear Palm Beach County going north it is crackerville.  South of Palm Beach County is another country.  Anything much over several miles inland is very much not Yankee like.

In 1993, the Bill Clinton White House sold the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) as a way to aid Mexican and American workers.  The Senate, controlled by Democrats, approved the treaty on its first reading.    Ross Perot predicted that because the deal included no basic labor standards, it would cause a huge "wage differential between the United States and Mexico" that would result in "the giant sucking sound" of American jobs heading south of the border.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkgx1C_S6ls   The International Ladies' Garment Workers' Union was once one of the largest unions in the US with a membership over 450,000 at its peak.   Today it is gone.

Or we could just reduce the size of government and government regulation to make up the difference?  The reason businesses are moving off shore isn't because of the labor cost...  The labor cost in most products is a tiny fraction of the cost, in most cases it's cheaper to do business overseas and ship the products into the country than it is to do business inside the US.   And US business taxes are a large chunk of that, you look at some countries that have a 11% tax on business income, and the US has a 35% tax...  There is most of that 20% you're looking for right there.    

So if you haven't done anything wrong, then you've got nothing to hide. Right?

I have an average of 22-25 college students that work for me.  I have not and will not ask to befriend them on Facebook.  On the flipside I have had about a dozen of them request to be my friend and I will accept.  Not sure why they would want to be my friend but I find it to be a useful tool when one of the calls in sick then checks in at a downtown bar a few hours later.  Had one chick tell me she needed to be off for 2 weeks for a mission trip then began posting pics up on Daytona Beach with all her friends.  

Awesome stuff Jordan. I miss the old days I grew up in! Thanks for sharing!   DaveS

I think their rates are way to high. If killing a nuisance pest costs that much, well they can keep them.

Nice looking rifle but I doubt it will make me trade my Savage in just yet.

Not Prepper related but i am quite fond of the incredible real life survival story of Sir Ernest Shackleon Endurance: Shackleton's Incredible Voyage This is an excellent book which draws from the diaries/interviews/memoirs of shackleton and his crew Or read his self written book "South" which is quite good but doesn't reveal some of the conflict as he was a gentleman and silent in his opinions Of those he didn't like. If you get into the shackelton story then you need to read Shackeltons Forgotten Men which I found to be an even more incredible story of loyalty and perseverance than even Shackletons.

Well I started by heading down to a small grove of black walnut trees, unfortunately some folks on the other side of the Hatchie was blasting away at some targets & soda/beer cans so all of the squirrels at that spot were all in hiding. So I decided I'd go hit a stand of oaks that was far enough away that the target practice noise those fellows were making wouldn't be a problem, on the way to the stand of oaks we came across a beautiful big red fox, only problem was that I still had squirrel shot in my chamber. I hand-signaled my dog Bear to remain quiet & still while I slipped one of my "in case of emergency" slugs from its elastic retaining loop on my vest, trying to be as quiet as possible I fingered the slide release on my Mossberg & slowly, gently pulled back on the pump. That was just enough noise for the fox to alert on us, so I quickly yanked the pump the rest of the way, catching the #6 shotshell while slapping in the slug, by the time I got my beads aligned he/she had bolted into the underbrush. I gave the command for Bear to "get'em!" and the chase was on, now I'm half-crippled so I'm not the fastest on my feet but that fox was so damn beautiful that I gave it everything I had & then some. Now Bear isn't allowed to get more than 50' or so from me so even during the chase he kept looking back to make sure he wasn't getting to far ahead of me, I am so proud of him, I didn't have to remind him of that at all even during all of the excitement of the chase, he truely is an amazing dog. Anyway that damn fox lead us through some of the nastiest, thorniest, briariest, parts of the planet I had ever seen, I wasn't going to let him/her go though, I really wanted that beautiful bushy red & white fur, for 2 hours we tracked & chased him/her before I finally collapsed from both pain & exhuastion. Even though our prey eluded us, it was still one of the best days I've ever had ...