Erich

Move the target down range for the pic, eh? Seriously, nice shooting and great collection of toys. I like how you roll, I cant decide to I'll as many as fit in this bag....

Congrats on a nice find. The book and the street dont seem to reflect cult following the same. They arent making anymore of those, and that does look to be in pretty nice shape. Seems a fair price that someone looking would be happy to pay. That forum isnt that bad, as long as you own a Sig and dont talk kindly about most other guns in a Sig specific forum. Lots of really good folks and great resource if you need it. I've had members send me top ends for comparison and measuring, so some great enthusiasts. Couple things that might be pointed out if you post pics. The mag has a good number of dings in the baseplate which is not consistent with an unfired safe queen but that one may not be its original mag if they owned other 228's. The barrel hood shows a bit more finish wear than I'd expect for a gun that was only test fired at the factory with minimal dry firing. To be fair, the old Sig barrel finish did show wear quickly unlike the modern finish, which can take well over a thousand rounds to show wear depending on lube and cleaning. Either way, you dont see them in that shape very often. Enjoy.

Its not that they use anyone cheaper per se. Hozzie is referring to commercial rates vs retail, which can be significant, buy not all use commercial. The reason FFLs can ship so much more cheaply is they are not held to Fedex / UPS only for handguns, nor are they required to ship overnight / 2nd day Express or air, FFLs can they can use ground, which is where the big savings come in, or USPS for handguns for closer destinations where they beat the other carrier ground rates.

The pattern repeats as normal. What it says is they cant throw up the silhouette. The ONLY time you see the weapon upfront and center in the first 4 to 6 hours (and why we have been expecting it) is when they can jump up and down with glee over tragedy to say its was an "assault weapon". The fact that its a day later and there is little detail, and most top searches show mainly local or print media's web coverage is that the big news left propaganda machines are passing on the tragedy. It simply does not fit their current agenda and efforts for bans. They care not about these kids, only promoting their agenda. And Why they pass on the 40 to 50 shootings in major metro cities weekly. The info out there suggests its something like a P80 large frame Glock 45. CA law recently required they be serialized and registered to DOJ. But since you can get them in the mail without much effort, I am sure it'll turn up he went around it and they will flap about it very briefly. But the media pretty much is done on the Ghost gun thing. They know they have mass support on those evil black rifles and all their effort is there to give two rips about these poor kids.

They are going to have a gender confused love child that wont know which box to check?

When I read the top I was thinking folks where taking crazy pills because I just checked the other box a couple weeks ago when I got my last lower. Thanks for posting the form, saved me from digging it up.

On the budget side, a good ole Bushnell TRS25 is hard to beat. Never had an issue with them have but them on a number of calibers. For a nicer option, when I am in a more discriminating crowd, I like my Holosun 503G. Nice sharp 2 moa dot and solid. That one sits on my 516 pistol currently.

Welcome from a fellow CA escapee. Last year getting all the non child safe mags was expensive! Good luck and enjoy the freedom

If you dont mind the question, have you run the pro connector on any previous Glocks, or is this your first run with them? And are you using the striker spring that came with their kit or do which striker spring you are running? I am curious if have run into any issues with light primer strikes. I had used the race 4 connector for quite some time and started playing with the pro connector when they came out about 2 years ago. In 9mm I was seeing light strikes when my only change was from race 4 to pro on marginally hard primers with most euro ammo like S&B or MEN, but also occasionally with Winchester Nato. Not really an issue with the R4. At the time all my slides had the comp springs in them. I had to up the striker spring 1lb for the pro connector. All my uppers have the extended striker as well. I like that added stiffness in the pro, but I cant see where its bleeding the striker energy. The geometry in the Gen 5 being different,curious what you run into.

Wise words sir. With the pimped Glock niche well covered, this make sense from a profit center perspective with a good performing inexpensive gun to build from. No doubt some outstanding margins. But hard to see the value even with all the marketing lingo. The M&P is a great platform, and shoots above its price class out of the box. S&W does a great job keeping tolerences at minimums for the most part. Fortunately they offer some of their own hot rod parts thru the performance center, sans unnecessary farkles for those that may prefer more of a function over form approach. I will offer my route to get a full size pseudo race M&P 2.0 at a fraction of the cost with a spare topend for other duty on the weekend Start with one M&P 2.0 4.25 threaded barrel #11770 ($405 from Grab-a-gun at the time), add a S&W Performance center ported slide kit, ported stainless barrel w/ 11 degree target crown, RMR cut and lightening holes / ports @ $338. Put them together with the M&P 1.0 slide lock (some filing to fit) to run the CORE slide on 2.0. Add your fancy trigger of choice ($110 to $175 depending on your preferences)..... You get a great running accurate RMR pistol with less muzzle flip, accurate with boat loads of cash left over. Plus you get an extra top end for other duty as needed. Best of all....you never have to worry about dealing with EB customer service! I appreciate some folks want to support American based companies. But I urge you to research and consider recent experiences. Those for EB appear to lead one to believe they are more the profits of recent vintage. The name may be the same, but service and end product may not be, CNC machines or no. The important concept not covered that to me is now that says more about a company, as it reflects their leadership values and priorities, is how they deal with customers. The tell tale for me is they have shut down all phone communications. The ONLY way to deal with them is via email and its marginal with poor support from just dealing with something as simple as their 1911 magazines. They did not even know 1911 mag specs (my last batch had 4 of 12 out of spec). Ironic for a company who built their rep on 1911's !!

Very Nice! I love the G45. Great way to utilize the OEM bits while taking to the next level.

Thanks Jim, something else I never knew I always needed That should be good and rigid enough to destroy about anything. I'd put it into the dremel category. Feels like you can do anything, but is an excercise in self control. Remove "just a little bit more" from you vocabulary! Happiness and tears seem a fine line. But I'm still getting it. My wifes rule when he hears a dremel, grinder, or similar newness removal tool fire up is "you are not allowed to swear or replace it if its expensive". I remind her thats two rules and she can only have one.

I've got an SCR I picked up when I lived in a restricted state. The bolt carrier is modified with a tail added as their recoil system is modeled on a Mossberg style autoloade, where the spring compresses into the stock. As such its stone stock reliable like a mossy 930. Which is why you see the pics like that one where someone has reworded a shotgun stock to fit. The ergos I think are very good. More compact. The stock allows you to have low mount sights and optics over the standard AR high mount or riser requirements. The triggers are proprietary, which means you are kinda stuck with what you got. No dropping in your Geisele fancy pants bit of kit. I've had quite a few rounds thru 4 uppers and never an issue on feeding and reliably. Their proprietary carrier has accepted whatever mil spec bolt I've run in it. The only niggling detail is the machining on the portion of the receiver where it would line up with a mil spec upper can be wonky unless they have cleaned that up. They look offset a bit or just dont quite line up. Its a cosmetic deal, bothers some folks, but does not effect functionality.

Folks have covered the mainstream options well. I will add two other thoughts or considerations with a qualiifer that a true battle rifle IMO should be piston drive for reliability. I have AR's and like AR's. Fighting thru your DPMS pattern 308's gassing issues is fun and all, but after I get them running well I think of them as range only. Outside the previously mentioned great options, I would really suggest an AK pattern 308. A Zastava M77 on the more affordable side or a Galil ACE if you want more of a premium version. Both that I've had delivered good accuracy with indisputable AK reliability. If feel you want to stay with the AR feel another good option in piston drive that is under rated because its was made affordably by Ruger, a SR-762. 16" makes it a bit punchier but runs for days with good accuracy.

That is some timing, I have one arriving tomorrow. I just put a Hiperfire 3gun in a receiver and really liked it which led to me look at these. Agonized over the Fostech vs Franklin. Was leaning toward the Franklin because it would be similar in feel / function to the one I was getting for my Scorpion plus I didnt like the idea of cast or MIM parts. But I plan to use piston uppers and reviews pretty much said you run into more hammer follow with Franklin vs Fostechs in piston guns. Franklin come with a heavier spring and most thought the Fostechs were less prone to buffer and spring weights, so viscero's experience is opposite what tests have shown. But I guess you have that fun in in any AR no matter trigger. Are you getting the lighter spring for the back up disconnector? That seems the first order of business with these. The semi pull is mil spec, but in binary the second shot is reported as 8 to 10 lbs. My thought is that will mess with your trigger timing. Seems most folks switch over. One company carries 2 springs to tune. Effects both semi position and binary. Brings trigger to 3lbs in semi, and in binary the first shot is 5lbs and 6lbs on second so similar and in line will mil spec. The second spring is lighter by 1lb on each. I think 2lbs is a bit light in semi, but my hiperfire 3g is about 2.5 so should be an interesting comparison.

The German Sigs are great without a doubt. I think its pretty safe to say most older versions for alot of makes are more desirable. Not sure if you've tried the 320. Took me most of 25 years to break down and try a couple striker guns, kicking and screaming. But the 320's are very nice shotting even though they have a Sig (high) barrel profile. The modularity is really nice, not the gimmick I originally dismissed it as. Most days I shoot it better than my 229

Bill, I wish it was really that localized, but unfortunately I mean that in a general sense. My opinion (qualifying it as such) is based on the numerous pistols, caliber x-change kits, optics, and uppers I've purchased in the last several years. I've noticed a downward trend with increasing QC slips, say in the 3-4 years. Over that time, having worked with their customer service, their attitude seems to show a paradigm shift coinciding with the higher occurrence of production issues. I am left thinking that retail customers are not as much a concern and Sig's focus has been on product development and chasing .gov contracts. They want more market, and high throughput at all costs seems to be the mantra. The biggest thing is they seem to want to justify anything you find if they can manage to get a gun to go bang before sticking it in a box. That is not to say they all have issues, they just don't pull obvious problems and send them out hoping customers don't care under the current US regime and standards. Outside cosmetic blunders and sights that are pretty far off (pet peeves that say qc to me) on the more serious side a P229 went back with a framed machined off so the locking block was not square to the bore axis, and 320 with a FCU not stamped and cut to allow the trigger bar to clear at the rear of its travel, a SP2022 with a barrel feed ramp not finish machined to remove the hard edge at the throat transitioned that I called the Jam-matic. The list goes on, but I'll spare you Of course I have had a number that were fine. But I have rejected more at dealers to avoid headaches after dealing with their CS on some of the above. Some of the things I have been told over the phone would be considered pretty shameful. Twice I thought to myself, did you really say that out loud. Specifically around their "gunsmiths" and standards in their repair shop. To the point I would never send a gun back to Sig unless I absolutely had to. If they stood behind their product like S&W, Ruger, or Springfield (I am sure others) do, I could forgive them their letting production QC goes. But they just want to argue and not take care of clear issues. I think their older stuff before they tried to gain large market share did not seem as prone to issues. Even hardcore Sig fans on their dedicate forum seem to be noting some of this nowadays. I've currently own classics, a 1911, 320's as well as romeo optics and a range finder. I love the 229 and 320. I want to like them as a US company, but things have to change. IMO.

I received an update email so it prompted me to update here. Brownell's sent out notice they are shutting down pre-orders due to demand and their current backorder volume. No expected dates unfortunately. As much as I avoid being a beta tester, seems for the price and more faith in Springfield than Sig, its a no lose proposition if I'm not fond of it. I ordered one last week from Brownell's with 10% off, no tax and free shipping. After the 5% cashback from gear-obsession, $453 before transfer fees for the OSP version. I was thinking of the new P365 SAS as well. Too hard to justify $130 more for a ported gun to deal with the potential or having to work with customer service hassles. May end up with one at some point after they've been out for a while.

They have it kinda. They sub'd it out to FN (Five-Seven) so they could charge twice as much. And the trigger is actually worse than a regular Glock!

Maybe he should do another one titled what Stupid #### agnry know it alls say on their Youtube channel. My source, secret people you dont know and their conspiracy to keep that knowledge away from the public. You can tell this guy has a real hardon against the caliber and its user base. Who cares what they think as long as they carry. Its really dumb for someone who is in his profession. He essentially contradicts what he preaches, having a carry and it not mattering what it is as long as your proficient with it. Being open minded is one thing, but at least when someone is just openly hostile and insulting to support a position, they loose all credibility to me. Do you not find it questionable that he has no real facts or support and offers insults and "insider info" (like they tell him and no one else)? So 40 users only buy a box of ammo at a time? They never buy in case because they never shoot? Sure, does that sound right to you? So how much hush money do you think Glock pays the members of the Glock forum with G22's to never post or remove their posts with all the exploded G22's? Since he knows all these secret industry insiders, he must know that number I am sure. Higher pressure rounds causing more wear is no secret, but only crap designed guns break from it. That applies irrespective of caliber.

I picked this up when it was on sale for $38. Its a pretty good packaged solution that comes with a full set of brushes and rods stored in trays sitting over an ammo can size storage area that allows for a number of solvents and tools. https://www.amazon.com/Allen-Company-Ultimate-Cleaning-Handgun/dp/B00I81LC5A

What is he of trainer of? How to talk out your butt? The only case of known (small numbers) failures I can think of was with frame damage in Beretta 96's used by PD's. They added buffers in the A1's out of concern. But the fails were usually crazy high counts and potentially could have had other contributing factors outside it being originally intended to be a 9mm platform. The anti-Beretta folks love to point at this, but the numbers are not significant relative to total used and PD's that did not have any problems with high counts.

I've shot my 23C/32C off the draw / low compressed with some high pressure and flash rounds without much of a problem. Cant thing of a great reason to do it from high. Played with rotation a bit. The ports in this appear smaller than the factory Glock ports, so not sure if that ends up slightly high focused pressure vs less overall. I would venture to say its less overall based on the ports being fairly forward keeping the dwell time similar with more gas going forward. The only downside I could see would be arguments against for nightstand gun in dark lighting for certain ammo that used a high flash powder. Should not be a problem with a good SD or even most target ammo. I have shot my 19C, 23C, 32C, and 20C with various loads in dark lighting for that purpose. 9mm generally pretty acceptable. Its a problem for 357Sig and 10mm unless you get some SD or LE ammo. Speer is really good about using low to no flash stuff for 357Sig for example.

What do you suppose the premium runs on a 1 Billion umbrella policy. I guess tourists end up paying for it. Could be worse, at least everybody hates tourists

Legislation should be put in place that caps the max amount a law firm can exact from the BS mega dollar suits as its seems a conflict of interest. How many of these cases would disappear overnight? Its especially needed in case like this, where there are multiple "victims" and the law firm gets more than any of their clients when they did not suffer. Save having to go to great pains to decide what to spend their 250 million on. Solid gold toilet brushes? Oh choices choices....