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Respectfully, anyone who thinks it makes no difference who is president or who "hates Romney" and will never vote for him needs to reexamine his thouhgs. I don't know that anybody can even save us from the destination we are heading toward. I DO know that Obama will put rocket boosters on the vehicles that will get us there. Obama has to be defeated OR WE HAVE NO CHANCE AT ALL. Obama has given us more debt in 3 years than W gave us in eight...we have $1.6 TRILLION deficits to infinity. Obama bypasses congress with executive orders and czars because the congress won't rubber stamp his agenda. Obama and his policies can destroy our economy with a debt load that exceeds our GDP - our currency will become worth less than the paper that it's printed on and world markets will stop trading in U.S. Dollars...we'll beg for gasoline when we can get it and we'll long for the days when it was "only" $6/gallon.Our economy; hell, our very existence is dependent on energy which means oil...cut us off from that; either physically or due to purchasing power and this country is finished. Whatever isn't destroyed when the economy collapses will be taken care of by the courts...after Obama stacks the lower courts with socialist judges and puts two or three more Kagans on high court - every single gain we've had (you know, such as the two recent pro-second amendment decisions and a few lower court decisions) will be as good as dead. There will effectively be no second amendment protection anymore - Obama and his cronies will find a way to take our guns from us just like England...just like Canada....just like every socialist country. If America is very lucky, it will still "exist" but be relegated to the status of a France or England; a super power turned into a super has-been and "remember when...". Obama has to be defeated OR WE HAVE NO CHANCE AT ALL.

A non-vote = a vote for the incumbent, whoever that may be. Your non-vote may put two more radical socialists on the Supreme Court which will do generations worth of damage. Think about that. There's a lot more at stake here than just the person who sits at the helm in the Oval Office. The repercussions for not voting for anyone can be just as damaging as casting a vote directly for Obama.

Actually extremely short or extremely long either one can cause higher pressure. When you set the bullet really deep it reduce the cases capacity which will cause higher pressure. When you set the bullet to long the bullet has no jump length (distance to the lands) and this will also cause pressure increases. It is generally considered to be safe to go longer (which is generally more accurate to) and work your way up looking for pressure signs with longer loads. Allen

I think I'll repost my Mitt Defense now and then. Think about it. ----------------------------------- Romney will try to run the place like a biz. He's not an ideologue, has no overwhelming agenda of just "how' things should be in some sort of utopian destruct and rebuild -- he'll be pragmatic enough to try to make things work. He cares about America and its traditional greatness, and certainly does not want to change 236 years of our history into some theoretical new construct that simply steals income tax money from the (barely) 50% paying it to the other half that don't while those with an in make extra money from that same pool. Also, though all presidents must be ego maniacal to a certain degree, he'll look like a humble sequestered monk compared to Obama and his over-exalted sense that history will show him to be The Visionary Savior Propelling Us Into The New World EveryDamnThing. Gun rights won't even be on his radar one way or the other; if anything arises, he'll just accede to a (hopefully) GOP majority in both chambers. Perhaps most importantly, his choices for the Supremes will absolutely not change us into a further Amerika over the next 50 years as would Obama's. Romney's main criticism as a "flip flopper" may actually prove to be quite a strength in this crazy world of fast changing priorities -- he won't pursue failing options, but will change to meet realistic changing circumstances, just like a successful CEO. Much like the now Conservative God Ronald Reagan -- let us not forget he was quite the liberal Democrat into the mid 50's. Also, Mitt doesn't care if he makes another single buck the rest of his life, and will demur from trying to write his own history books as he goes along. ------------ - OS

Don't drop yer heater in the crapper. - OS

Whatever Romney's failings...no matter how much anyone thinks they shouldn't bother to vote, or should just vote for Obama or vote for a third-party/write in candidate I would simply ask you to think again. If Obama has a second term whatever is left of our republic and especially our second amendment rights will be gone. It's just that simple. Whether he does it by completely bypassing Congress (as he's been doing) or he does it by the two or three supreme court justices he will get to appoint, Obama will destroy the country and our rights. If a drunk, hamster was running on the Republican ticket it would be better for the country to elect the hamster than to return Obama to office.

If you truly think that's what's being said then you either don't want to understand or aren't capable of understanding what is actually being said. But it's okay, you are still in America so you can be as wrong as you want to be.

Well, I voted for Ron Paul in the primary, and lost. I see very little difference in Romney and Obama. In fact, I might even give the edge to Obama, because he's fairly open about his political beliefs. I will not vote fo Romney! What is a fella to do? It seems the only choice voters have is a bullet to the head, or a dagger in the heart. Why vote at all?

My lovely wife told me this morning that all I had to do this weekend was buy and install a new washing machine and put up a fence around our lower garden to keep the goats and chickens out. For once I put my foot down and told her that after the week I'd had, I'd sooner sandpaper the @sshole of an alligator in a phone booth than do either one of 'em. She just smiled and hugged me and said she understood and that I could do whatever I wanted... The new machine is running it's first load of laundry now - guess I'll put the fence up after lunch... (Hey, how can I say no to a classy broad like the one I got?!!)

This pretty well sums it up.

Hate Crime is code for "Thought Crime". For an explanation, read the book "1984." As far as I can gather, a hate crime is any crime commited against a black person, or a gay person, by a white male, that can somehow be construed into racism or homophobia. If you have documented examples contrary to this, I'd like to see them.

If a white criminal commits a crime against a black victim, he's committed a hate crime. Result- Increased penality If a black criminal commits a crime against a black victim, he's a victim of his environment. Result- Minimum penality.

if you don't mind that ugly deer on the receiver... someone had to say it.

Guys, don't get the wrong idea. I believe Obama is hands down the worst president in the history of the country. To call me an Obama lover is to stray as far from truth as possible. What I can't get comfortable with is the idea of voting for a Republican just because he isn't Obama, and hoping he might decide to not be quite as progressive. If that is the best the Republicans are willing to offer; SCREW THEM!!! I don't know what the right answer is, but until one party or the other decides to uphold the constitution, I will support neither. If that contributes to the detriment of our country; so be it. If more would do the same instead of settling for "at least he isn't Obama", we could get something done. Until then, we're toast.

I don't mean to be disagreeable, but seriously, if someone cannot see an enormous difference between Romney and Obama then they just aren't paying attention. There is really no comparison between the two. It is true that Romney is a moderate Republican on many issues (even liberal on some). However, he is nothing like the socialist we have now. You could combine Wilson, FDR, Johnson, and Carter, and they still don't compare to Obama. While I do not always agree with OhShoot, he is spot on his concern about the SCOTUS. Even though things look pretty bad now, if Obama got the opportunity to appoint 2 or 3 justices, then it really is over. Another aspect to consider is what Obama will do in a lame duck term. If you think he is bad now, just imagine what he will do without the worry of having to be reelected. There will be massive amounts of new regulations and executive orders implemented that will make his first term pale in comparison. We still won't have a budget passed for the next 4 years, and the Republican congress are a bunch of milquetoasts who won't defund a lot of this nonsense, and we will end up being over $20 trillion in debt. I was an avid Paul supporter in the primary. I sincerely thought he was the only candidate worth voting for. However, he lost and stands absolutely no chance of winning the nomination. The best we can hope for is that Paul and his campaign have opened the eyes of a lot of people who are going to become politically active. Romney is no prize. It makes no sense for a conservative to delude himself to think otherwise. Nonetheless, I will be voting for Romney in the general, even if his VP pick is a tool as well. The alternative is just too terrifying to even think about.

If you want to get a hobby/target shooting rifle you can get the Stag. If you are planning on using that rifle to defend yourself with one day get a Colt, BCM or a Daniel Defense.

This isn't about "R" or "D"; it's about survival of America as a democratic republic. I am not optimistic about our chances but I am convinced that Romney on his most liberal day is still a 100% better choice that Obama on his most conservative day. Any president can appoint a justice that may turn out to be liberal even if no one thought they would (we have several examples)...Romney "may" appoint someone more liberal than would, say, Santorum or Paul but Romney isn't going to shut his penis his zipper if he can avoid it so it's likely he'll appoint justices that conservatives can at least tolerate if not get excited about. On the other hand, we already have proof that Obama will appoint not just liberal bur radical liberal justices...there is ZERO reason to think that in a lame-duck term he won't appoint justices that are even more liberal than he already has. I don't "like" Romney either but he has accomplished something in his life besides being a politician. He is, I believe, a decent, moral man who dose have some principles he livers by. He does, I believe love this country and will not knowingly do things that will tear it down. He is a capitalist at heart and believes in the capitalist system. I can say NONE of those things about Obummer....not a single one...those reasons alone are reasons enough not to vote (directly or effectively) for Obama. Getting Obama out of office after one term may not save our country but leaving him in for another four may well assure its demise.

THIS! Fact is, congress is more than capable of ruining the country all by themselves. The president doesn't matter so much unless he owns both houses, except for this one thing.

You are 100% right. It's still gonna sting either way.

You have a 2 x 4. One end is on fire, and the other has a handful of 16 penny nails driven thru it. Which end do you stick up your butt?

If you really think Kerry would have been a better president that "W" then I'd like to try whatever pharmaceuticals you were one because they must have been good ones. Bush senior was a decent man; "W" was also a good, decent man but I wouldn't classify either of them as good presidents (certainly not the worst either)...both "W" and senior were big-government, big-spending Republicans. One "man" can bring down the country when that one man spends more in 3 years than W spent in eight...one man can bring down the country when we have 1.6 trillion dollar deficits to infinity. One man can bring down the country when he bypasses congress with executive orders and czars because the congress won't rubber stamp his agenda. One man can bring down the country because one man and his policies can destroy our economy with a debt load that exceeds our GDP. Our currency will become worth less than the paper that it's printed on and world markets will stop trading in U.S. Dollars...we'll beg for gasoline when we can get it and we'll long for the days when it was "only" $6/gallon.Our economy; hell, our very existence is dependent on energy which means oil...cut us off from that; either physically or due to purchasing power and this country is finished. Whatever isn't destroyed when the economy collapses will be taken care of by the courts...after Obama stacks the lower courts with socialist judges and puts two or three more Kagans on high court - every single gain we've had (you know, such as the two recent pro-second amendment decisions and a few lower court decisions) will be as good as dead. There will effectively be no second amendment protection anymore - Obama and his cronies will find a way to take our guns from us just like England...just like Canada....just like every socialist country. If America is very lucky, it will still "exist" but be relegated to the status of a France or England; a super power turned into a super has-been and "remember when...". I don't know that anybody can even save us from the destination we are heading toward. I DO know that Obama will put rocket boosters on the vehicles that will get us there. Obama has to be defeated OR WE HAVE NO CHANCE AT ALL.

You should buy it and trade it for a glock and lose that nickel plated sissy pistol....

Thanks for the heads up. Will pass this along. Thankfully only would affect my FiL in my immediate family and he would just ask them to hold his cane while he gets his wallet and then shoot them

You forget the majority he'll leave on the Supreme Court. Decades of that will be his true legacy. - OS

I don't need inspiring. Obama is inspiring, that's his draw. Hope and change. I'll take bland and steadfast traditional Americanism, thanks. - OS

I think that its far fetched. If there are riots they will be on a very small scale. Believe it or not hard working educated black people are as sick of the behavior of the clowns that keep up all of this crap as people of other races are. I have been chatting with a lot of people this week to gauge their anger about what happened. From what I hear most people dont think that this was a racial matter. Most people that I have spoken with are pissed because they believe that there was not an immediate arrest and that the cops handled Zimmerman with kid gloves. This was my initial opinion until getting more info on SYG. I think that belief was formed because of the immediate information that was given by the media. Most blacks feel that had they been involved in the matter as the shooter they would still be in jail. From what I gather that's the justice that the protesters are seeking. I wish that energy would be used to ensure that they are living their lives right and raising their kids to be productive citizens. If you are at school, work or raising a family you don't have time to protest.

i have fewer carry holsters than I do feet ,LOL. I bought one and make it work. I am always grabbing the handle to make sure it is not exposed or printing too bad. I doubt that habit will ever stop. as time goes by you will become less worried about carrying and it being seen. No one is paying any attention to you anyway.

They have no following or credibility. They are on the same level as the self appointed "black leaders". This is their "look at me" moment. If they are lucky they will pick up a few new dues paying members and then go home and pat themselves on the back. I will say it again. When blacks start protesting the daily murders and general black on black crime that occurs everyday then these marches will be taken seriously. Until then it means nothing.

You wish that it were that simple. If you are participating in these threads because you feel that you have to win the discussion then you have already lost. I have moved on from this Zimmerman/Martin fiasco. I made my statement because some people in this country think that a race war/riot is a solution to years of poor legal system, bad government, racial strife and poor personal decisions. Stupid people burning their own neighborhoods and possibly leading to the loss of a innocent life and millions in property damage is nothing to look forward to. Sharpton, Jackson, Limbaugh and others like them have nothing to lose because they will be nowhere in sight when the crap hits the fan. So, if it will make you feel better I will concede that you and your like minded cohorts have already won every dicussion in every thread from this point on. You are a winner!

me too. People have asked if I carry that gun everywhere. My normal reply is yes. Then they ask if I am expecting trouble. I reply that no I am not, if I was I'd have a rifle.

I would not be suprised if Zero proclaimed Martial Law right before the November election. Say Zimmerman is indicted Tuesday. Say his trial comes to a head and he is found not guilty or charges dropped near the end of October. Riots ensue. The Big O proclaims elections can't happen on account of this. Think it is far fetched. My tin foil is stretched tight over my noggin.

And there it is. Straight from the playbook. If you are loosing the discussion, simply accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being racist.

Lighten up Francis anyone who knows me knows there is not one racist bone in my body. I despise people who are racist. I hate all races equally. It's their actions that bother me, not anyone's skin tone.

Too funny! We know that Jackson and Sharpton have selfish motives whenever they get involved in social issues, but after reading a lot of these post I have come to realize that they are not alone in their racial hatred. I know, I know. You are not a racist. You are just tired of all of the politically correct crap, the affirmative action, the social program and the overall general existence of the non-white humanoid. Good news for you. You are still in America and it's ok to feel that way, but eagerly anticipating a race war/riot. I'm at a loss for words. I hope that a few years from now people are not talking about what a good sight this was for guns and debate before a bunch of like minded individuals high jacked it to serve their own selfish and hateful purposes.

If they set out to kill Whitey, Florida is a very poor choice, as is Tennessee.

I don't really believe that people here are hoping for race riots. However, I do believe that there is clearly a segment of the "black" population in this country who are truly racists, perhaps the most racists in our country, and who truly want to kill "whitey". Such folks don't give a damn about Martin or the facts or whether Martin is 100% responsible for his death or truly was the victim - it's all about race for them and Martin and the eventual disposition of Zimmerman may well supply the excuse for what they already want to do. People such as these won't be satisfied until they do riot.

While Dolomite is correct about MIL SPEC being the minimum standards, I don't think using the analogy of a report card "D" is correct. It is more of a Go or No GO rating It is a document that states the technical requirements that an Item must meet per a military/defense contract. Each item has its own document. If this analogy were true then we would be flying around with "D" rated parts in our aircraft. Again as stated before being mil spec does not make it the best. I have owned DPMS that were all staked properly and some were not. All functioned great. It seems the more produced by a company the more issues are reported on the internet. Even the specialty AR's have had issues in the past. Knight, BCM, DD and Novenske. I'm sure there are a lot of VET's on here that have used Mil Spec gear on here that was crap to begin with. So I don't put much faith in the term Mil Spec as Dolomite suggested A educated buyer will buy the best that he can afford. I for one would rather have a DPMS (Warranty) than a pieced together upper/lower by some unknown company. But as stated for a little bit more you can but a better AR. As Dolomite and others have stated, there is better out there than MILSPEC. The secret in doing your home work and always the $$$$ you are willing to part with. Because we all know it is a disease and you can't just own one.

Most of you so far got the gist of what I meant. It is just about time for it to come to a head.

Not everyne has an extra grand sitting around so I think this would be a great sub $600 AR. There are better ones for more but this is probably the best prebuilt you can get for that money. DPMS builds decent stuff, I have had 2 including a sportical. I would pick one up at that price play with it for a while to see if the AR is for you and then resell it for $500. At $500 even the gunsnobs would think about picking that up you will sell it same day for that price. You could also go out and get a PCF lower and swap out the lower and charge 750 like the one I saw on here 3 weeks ago and then you could sell the other lower for 250 like the one that is currently on another site. You would have 700 invested and sell it all for 1000 and go out and get a "better" rifle. I love reading the AR discussions because it seems like most people have the opinion that if you don't buy the best then there is no need for having one. I think that getting the best you can for your budget is the best gun.

......Or somebody has a still or a meth-lab and wants to get away with it without meddling kids... Sorry for the gratuitous Scooby Doo inference....

we don't call him bigfoot 'round these parts, he is known as "the crapper"

Must have been the no-paragraph haint.

Yeah, I thought it might be a new business opening next door to your favorite chinese food restaurant.

I will have to admit the title had me scratching my head. Nice find! Welcome to TN!

I think you might need to broaden you ideas of drinking. We're not talking about tying one on here. Examples. *Mixed with honey and lemon in a hot tea it will sooth a sore throat and help you sleep. You can even do that one up for the kids in weaker doses. *A shot a few minutes before pulling a tooth, and a diluted shot to GENTLY rinse a few days later, and/or anytime for an oral antiseptic. *If you're man enough....I have tossed it down the hatch on a stomach virus. It's ROUGH, but it will kill the heck out of it. Best to sleep on it. *Speaking of sleep, it can help with that and for flu/colds and fever it can help you sleep it off and sweat it out. Getting hammered in a SHTF situation is just irresponsible.

I watched it tonight with the guy shooting his thumb off.While Im watching it the guy is prepping for an EMP and next thing you know they jump in thier new jeep and drive off if the blast was close enough vehicle electronics could be affected so he might want to add that into his prepping plan

Between who? Blacks and Hispanics are 12.6 and 16.3 % of US population respectively. Even if they join forces, whitey has quite the edge. - OS

I know it was wrong of me........but I laughed when he passed out. If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.

Yep. Maybe someone needs to explain to them that, while it's true that you don't need a parachute to skydive, you DO need a parachute to skydive TWICE...

You can't fix stupid, but Darwin's theory often provides self-corrections