E4 No More

So you have a problem with someone doing their job? Ok.

I was commenting on the lack of her position in the OP; not lack of her position on the subject. :)

No Carly position?

The words that the officer used were that the tag was "...not displayed right." This doesn't necessarily mean that he couldn't read it from a normal position. Considering it was broad daylight the lighting wouldn't matter most likely.

Some of the dumbest dogs I've had were lab/lab mix. I love them for their sweet and funny demeanor, but they just aren't too bright. Neither are Rat Terriers of which I now have one, (along with my Rotty). She barks at the ground trying to intimidate bugs. Perhaps he was barking at a bug or something of that nature to entertain himself?

I tried a rental jack hammer from Home Depot when I did my fence. Didn't do any good on the limestone in Lavergne. I basically had to do it with sledge and chisel.

Where you and I apparently disagree is the premise that he was suspicious to begin with: therefore, the police officer had no reason to stop him based on that alone - other than carrying a weapon which the officer expressed no concerns over to begin with, and considering the propensity of many of the >250,000 HCP holders in this state alone to open carry, this could no longer be PC, (the courts would have to argue that one out).   Let's break this down, shall we?   1. "I noticed a cop staring at me while I loaded my tail bag."  Does someone stop to calmly load a bag on their bike, pat their selves down checking for whatever it was that he was checking for, put on their riding gloves, and check the security of their bag after walking out and seeing a cop eye-balling them after they just robbed a store? Does he then calmly mount the bike and take his time starting it and pulling out of the spot?   2. The biker was clearly on the side of the brick building of the store where there was only one other person who got into their vehicle to leave, (who apparently having NOT just witnessed a robbery), so there wasn't any obstruction to conducting any interaction with the "suspect" at that time, no other indications of criminal activity, (alarm, call, or body language of the citizen getting into the vehicle next to the biker), and avenues for escape of the vehicle/rider were reduced where he was. Since statistically the most dangerous thing that a police officer does is a traffic stop because conducting business on the side of the road with vehicles whizzing by is inherently dangerous, does it make sense to allow someone that you think might have just robbed the store get on a crotch-rocket and pull into traffic leaving a more controllable location for a less controllable location? Is increasing the chance of a chase on public roadways safer for the public than where he was initially? Remember, the rider was courteous enough to the officer to pick an open parking lot for a safe location; not the officer choosing the location.   3. The officer states that he was just "checking" on the rider because he had his tag "not displayed right" and walking out of the store with his helmet on and a gun on his side, and that he looked suspicious. Suspicious of what? Over my many years I've seen many law-abiding motorcyclists who do not take their helmets off to run into a convenience store, so that's BS unless Lenoir City is the world's capital of motorcycle bandits who do this. The officer appeared to be waiting on the biker to leave. I base that opinion on the fact that he was parked in the back corner of the side of the convenience store back by the dumpster. That's a pretty unusual place for a patrolman to park to get a cup of coffee if he's concerned about emergency response time as he should be. What would happen if his car was blocked by a trash truck while he was in the store and got an emergency call? So it appears that he noticed the armed biker before the biker left the store and was waiting for him to leave, so why wait for the guy to go into the store to begin with if he either noticed the tag first or thought that he was suspicious for another reason? If he noticed the tag first could he have not run the tag of the bike and the registered owner for wants/warrants while he was in the store? We don't know about how the tag was displayed, but if it was affixed to the factory mount that claim is total BS since manufacturers have to make their vehicles in accordance with lawful standards in order to sell them. Also, from the sound and what could be seen of the bike, it has not been modified leading me to believe it very unlikely that the one thing the owner would change on a crotch-rocket would be the tag mounting location.   4. The officer first asks if the biker has a license on him; not a HCP, nor does he ask about a HCP at all, so I submit that this again points to the officer not being really concerned about the legality of the gun. Then when questioned about the reason for the stop he responds that his reason is that the tag is not displayed right. He then snatches the gun from the biker. Within his right? Yes! Dickhead move? Absolutely! What would be the consequences had the weapon gone off giving the biker a bad case of Glock Butt or worse?   My take from this video is that the officer was NOT truly suspicious of any criminal activity. And if the tag was really properly affixed to the factory mount, (it would have been great if the video showed the tag to remove all doubt about that), he could be subject to legal scrutiny because we do NOT live in a police state. You and I both know that many officers pad their activity numbers and up their warnings count with BS stops like this. Besides the fact that crap like this just exacerbates the general public's negative perceptions of police as a whole, the increase in the number of cameras out there also increases the chances of suits against officers and departments. Why risk it just to pad your activity numbers?   So my opinion is this: If the tag was indeed illegally affixed to the motorcycle then the officer was within the law but not a very good officer, and he certainly needs to explore other job opportunities before he does something drastically stupid and gets someone hurt in the process.

And those are very subjective and usually determined by the judge who, (contrary to popular belief), does have skin in the game, and considers his/her self being of ordinary reason and prudence.

Perhaps you are correct about the officer seeing a weapon, BUT, he stated that his reason for the stop was the helmet and the obscured tag: therefore, he clearly had no reason to believe that the person was carrying an illegal weapon otherwise he would have said so; not use a chicken :poop: excuse to stop him. Just like your statements can incriminate you, recorded statements by the police can be used against them as well provided that the judge gives a crap - which most smaller court judges don't give a crap. But I'm coming for a LEO background in a state where open carry was not illegal, so my perspective of the situation is skewed by that. :shrug:   What I'm curious about is whether the license was mounted in a factory mount or really obscured as claimed.

FIFY

Do you use a retention holster? I don't and never will absent of being a LEO on duty in uniform.

Joking aside, that judge has no business coercing someone into a legal contract with a third party like that. This is no different than the judge that ordered some parents to change their child's name for her own religious reasons. I agree with LagerHead, and this is just another example of how "judges" are allowed to get away with judicial misconduct on a frequent basis - particularly in lower courts.

I've stayed out of this until now, but an officer sees a guy come out of a store with his helmet on and a gun on his hip. The biker calmly takes his sweet time to put on his gloves, mount his bike, turn it on, wait for the truck next to him to pull out, and all while having made eye contact with the officer sitting in his car, but the officer thinks that's suspicious enough for a stop but waits until the biker gets on the road to pull him over citing a BS tag mounting? I don't think so. I call BS!

Savage!

My experience with USPS is that I receive the package before the tracking updates. :shrug:

I find that the various steakhouses can't get medium right. They usually under cook the steak at medium rare, so maybe you guys who like medium rare ought to order it one step up the scale.   Personally, I think that if a steak needs more than salt and pepper then the steer died in vain. :(

Smyrna Guns and Ammo, no? Guns-N-More is across from the old chevy dealership.

http://www.wsmv.com/story/29727035/i-24-closed-in-lyon-county-as-bomb-squad-investigates-possible-ied

Service varies due to poor leadership.

I went there once looking for a Shield for my wife. The service is less than stellar, and I do not plan to return. I think the problem is that they feel like they have enough business already.

Til someone rear ends him and it all goes up on flames! :)

Jeff at Guns & Leather in Greenbrier.

Irony: A Nation of Islame leader speaking at a Baptist church.

When you work for a huge company that has numerous partners and resellers, this limits your career greatly - particularly when your own company wants to limit your internal movement as well.

Actively poaching I can understand. That's a given. Making an agreement to not hire someone who applies to a publicly posted position who is not part of the agreement I don't understand. I understand why; just not the legality of it.