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  Thanks. My wife was pushing me to go. Saying I needed to get out and leave her alone with the tv and Lifetime Network for a while.   Hmmm...Lifetime... maybe I should go anyway.

You are making it more difficult for me by posting this. LOL   I keep looking at this Sig.

Back in the dark ages when I took my class with Buford Tune, we were told that it would be best to qualify with what we intended to carry; be it 22,38, 45, etc.   And it was said that we could "recertify" with an additional caliber should we choose. But it wasn't a law or requirement.   And this was just after the "Must be bonded to carry" was rescinded. So you know that's been quite a while back....25 years or so?

Congrats. Let us know how it all turns out for you.

  R_Bert is on the money! Sorry for the awful pun, but his thoughts are great.  Make a gesture that might make a difference for spmeone else.

  Well Erik, I really don't get concerned about the grip safety or the lack of one either way.   I got us off-track with my question because I wanted to get some comments and get some discussion on it. Really didn't try to start or settle anything, just looking for opinions and reasons.   I think we got that.   In any event, my personal preference really is in line with TDR and KKing. I prefer something like the Glock with its passive trigger safety system much more so than a thumb safety. I don't necessarily have anything against the grip safety to the point that I wouldn't use a pistol with one though.   But back to the orginal thread topic, yes; I'd really like to get hold of an R-51 and try it out.   My brother-in-law is going to the Shot Show, so I've asked him to try and look it over if he gets the opportunity.

Yep. The man knows his stuff.   And not afraid to share the information with you.

You actually bought one?? I just couldn't do it.   But I've done worse.

My first AK was, and still is with me, a WASR. It's never been a problem for me. Has roughly a thousand rounds thru it since being converted.. I've had an Ismash, and a Tantal. For range fun, I still grab the Wasr.    Not saying that all Wasrs are great, but I like mine.

Buddy, you were doing fine till the Hi-Point.   But then...I've owned one as well. :stunned:

Frighteningly sad, all too true, and probably prophetic as well. Things like this just do not bode well for us.

  It's just you.   Reminds me of the PPK models.

Understood. I have my fav loads as well.

Point taken. And this is taken a little out of contest to your full quote. But to me, that still would come under the heading of a safety lever/thumb safety; more so than the grip safety. But, I do not disagree that there are circumstances and situations that could arise to cause problems either way. And, as earlier stated, thanks for the discussion. I found it enjoyable and informative.

TDR and KKing...thank you both for the comments you made. I appreciate them. I was in no way trying to argue or convert you, and I think you know this; but just wanted to be perfectly clear about it. This was a good open discussion on something that I really believe others might ask about, just as I myself was curious about it. So we accomplished something good.

LOL. I did think along the lines of a space gun as I saw the first pic of it.

  Now, are we speaking of internal or external safety? And what about the "trigger safety"?   I agree with you TDR, that I do not want any form of external manual....wait. I almost stepped in it. Didn't I?  I'm speaking/thinking of such as a thumb safety on most pistols.   On that I will agree.   I guess it's how you view the whole Idea of the manual/external safety.   You've made me look at this in a slightly different light. And that's a good thing.   But I still don't see the drawback to the grip safety on the pistol.  So...until I change, or get my mind changed; we just look at it differently. Which is not a bad thing at all.   Thanks for your input, TDR.

  Again. Not being obtuse. But how hard is it to hold the pistol enough to activate the grip safety? If I don't have that much control over the pistol, do I need to be able/trying to fire it?

  I've never tried this...so I may have to now. Just how difficult/"firm enough" grip is it to fire a gun of either type? And if you don't have a "correct" grip, how sure can you be of where your shot is going?   Do you mean as in struggling with someone over the gun and just getting a finger on the trigger? As in the gun is being controlled by the assailant and all you can do is attempt to reach the trigger and force a shot?

  Good thinking on their (the Roberson's that is) part. Income from 2 different sources. Maybe not, but I'd be very surprised if Beneli didn't give some form of "consideration" for use and visibility of their products on the show.

Not trying to step on anyone's toes here, but please tell me why the grip safety is such a detrimental issue on some guns as in the XD line, the new R-51m and the like.   While it is not on the 1911 pistols.   And this is a serious question. Not trying to stir things up here.

Thanks, xjsnake, that's a good idea.

Sam1, what kind of shipping charges on those from the other site? If you can't find some reasonable, I might be interest in splitting a case with you. jlmk

The reporter doing the vocal commentary seemed like he could barely contain his enthusiasm over the products. :squint:   

  Several years ago, in 2011, I think; listening to the morning financial news. The reporter stated that the Sears-Roebuck Financing Dept./Credit Card Operations made far more profit for the operation than the retail side had since the 1970's.