The Hearing Protection Act & The SHORT Act - It looks like Tonight could be it. I know you're tired but...

[Garufa]

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[P_Taylor]

Smoke and mirrors....this opens the door for the tax to be adjusted for inflation and these items to be priced out of what most can afford when the dems/rinos get control again.

[GlockSpock]

4 minutes ago, P_Taylor said:

Smoke and mirrors....this opens the door for the tax to be adjusted for inflation and these items to be priced out of what most can afford when the dems/rinos get control again.

That's one of my fears. Once in effect, it may be hard to find any suppressors and then it really sets the precedent for the pendulum to swing heavily in the direction of adjusting for inflation.

According to a CPI calculator, $200.00 in 1934 is $4,870.68 today. So...fun if it goes that direction.

There is the argument that if the tax is $0.00 then the reason for having the registry is null. I...don't know. Would be neat to see these items stripped from the registry via that method. 

 

[leroy]

Be patient.  Some smart lawyer will sue the Gubt about a tax that has been moved to zero.  That means no tax.  That means no need to keep a record of who paid the " zero " tax... 

leroy...

[Garufa]

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[Johnny Rotten]

Keep the faith....

 

[Garufa]

8 minutes ago, Johnny Rotten said:

Keep the faith....

 

And reap the whirlwind, lol.

[krunchnik]

1 hour ago, Garufa said:

Don’t go running out to your LGS to buy a suppressor unless  you want to go NFA and pay the tax.  It was removed from “the act”.

I got a E-Mail from Rainier Arms that said that the NFA did pass-

Still in the NFA but the tax portion was removed-

So no more tax on short barrel rifles-suppressors-

[Garufa]

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[GlockSpock]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1/text

SEC. 70436. REDUCTION OF TRANSFER AND MANUFACTURING TAXES FOR CERTAIN 
              DEVICES.

    (a) Transfer Tax.--Section 5811(a) is amended to read as follows:
    ``(a) Rate.--There shall be levied, collected, and paid on firearms 
transferred a tax at the rate of--
            ``(1) $200 for each firearm transferred in the case of a 
        machinegun or a destructive device, and
            ``(2) $0 for any firearm transferred which is not described 
        in paragraph (1).''.
    (b) Making Tax.--Section 5821(a) is amended to read as follows:
    ``(a) Rate.--There shall be levied, collected, and paid upon the 
making of a firearm a tax at the rate of--
            ``(1) $200 for each firearm made in the case of a 
        machinegun or a destructive device, and
            ``(2) $0 for any firearm made which is not described in 
        paragraph (1).''.
    (c) Conforming Amendment.--Section 4182(a) is amended by adding at 
the end the following: ``For purposes of the preceding sentence, any 
firearm described in section 5811(a)(2) shall be deemed to be a firearm 
on which the tax provided by section 5811 has been paid.''
    (d) Effective Date.--The amendments made by this section shall 
apply to calendar quarters beginning more than 90 days after the date 
of the enactment of this Act.

 

I think this was in the version that the Senate sent to the House for vote. If the bill changed at all, it would have to go back to the Senate for another vote.

[GlockSpock]

7 minutes ago, Garufa said:

That’s real nice they told you that.  It’s also wrong.

What are you basing this on?

[GlockSpock]

It's almost like...a bill so big that you have to pass it to see what is in it isn't a good idea.

[GlockSpock]

https://www.silencershop.com/blog/hearing-protection-act-2025

[Alleycat72]

4 minutes ago, GlockSpock said:

https://www.silencershop.com/blog/hearing-protection-act-2025

The AOW in cool. I've been looking at 40mm stuff. Maybe DD next?

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[Moped]

The tax on SBRs and suppressors will be reduced from $200 to $0, once sign by Trump and the effective date for the legislation arrives. However all the paperwork, fingerprinting, and wait while The ATF, does their thing, still remains in effect. That could take as long as 3 weeks or 18 months.

And I’m hearing DOGE and the ATF are about to announce changes in the way they are doing things at ATF. That could be a good thing or a bad thing.

Personally, I’d wait and see if the lawsuits filed by GOA, NRA, and other 2A alphabet groups are successful in fracturing the NFA before I would buy anything.

[hornett22]

I called Blackburns DC office today. They sat in silence then hung up on me. Called back and another clown answered and requested I email them. 

 

Blackburn is another RINO douche. I'll never vote for her again. 

[hornett22]

The rino party screws us again

[Alleycat72]

7 minutes ago, Moped said:

The tax on SBRs and suppressors will be reduced from $200 to $0, once sign by Trump and the effective date for the legislation arrives. However all the paperwork, fingerprinting, and wait while The ATF, does their thing, still remains in effect. That could take as long as 3 weeks or 18 months.

And I’m hearing DOGE and the ATF are about to announce changes in the way they are doing things at ATF. That could be a good thing or a bad thing.

Personally, I’d wait and see if the lawsuits filed by GOA, NRA, and other 2A alphabet groups are successful in fracturing the NFA before I would buy anything.

It also says it's $200 to make a machinegun. That's interesting. 

[Alleycat72]

I may file a form 1 on one of my ARs.

[Garufa]

23 minutes ago, GlockSpock said:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1/text

SEC. 70436. REDUCTION OF TRANSFER AND MANUFACTURING TAXES FOR CERTAIN 
              DEVICES.

    (a) Transfer Tax.--Section 5811(a) is amended to read as follows:
    ``(a) Rate.--There shall be levied, collected, and paid on firearms 
transferred a tax at the rate of--
            ``(1) $200 for each firearm transferred in the case of a 
        machinegun or a destructive device, and
            ``(2) $0 for any firearm transferred which is not described 
        in paragraph (1).''.
    (b) Making Tax.--Section 5821(a) is amended to read as follows:
    ``(a) Rate.--There shall be levied, collected, and paid upon the 
making of a firearm a tax at the rate of--
            ``(1) $200 for each firearm made in the case of a 
        machinegun or a destructive device, and
            ``(2) $0 for any firearm made which is not described in 
        paragraph (1).''.
    (c) Conforming Amendment.--Section 4182(a) is amended by adding at 
the end the following: ``For purposes of the preceding sentence, any 
firearm described in section 5811(a)(2) shall be deemed to be a firearm 
on which the tax provided by section 5811 has been paid.''
    (d) Effective Date.--The amendments made by this section shall 
apply to calendar quarters beginning more than 90 days after the date 
of the enactment of this Act.

 

I think this was in the version that the Senate sent to the House for vote. If the bill changed at all, it would have to go back to the Senate for another vote.

Did the sneaky bastards change the language?  I searched the final bill earlier today and found nothing about suppressors as was in the bill first passed and sent to the senate.

[Garufa]

6 minutes ago, hornett22 said:

Blackburn is another RINO douche. I'll never vote for her again. 

Blackburn is exactly what was asked for.  

[Moped]

1 minute ago, Alleycat72 said:

It also says it's $200 to make a machinegun. That's interesting. 

They didn’t reduce the tax on fully automatic weapons. Just suppressors and SBRs.

[BillyBob]

20 hours ago, Garufa said:

Don’t go running out to your LGS to buy a suppressor unless  you want to go NFA and pay the tax.  It was removed

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[Alleycat72]

7 hours ago, Moped said:

They didn’t reduce the tax on fully automatic weapons. Just suppressors and SBRs.

It says $200 "to make a machinegun". We haven't been able to do that since 1986. Only someone with a manufacturer license. 

[Alleycat72]