Talked about before!!!!

[BigK]

Just now, deerslayer said:

 

I completely agree - why lower your odds with a mouse gun?

Life is a series of compromises, right? If lowering your odds w/ a mouse gun is unacceptable for the sake of convenience, so is carrying a pistol instead of a shotgun or rifle.

[gregintenn]

I assume everyone here realizes a 380 ACP projectile and a 9mm Mauser projectile make the exact same diameter hole, right?

[TGO David]

43 minutes ago, gregintenn said:

I assume everyone here realizes a 380 ACP projectile and a 9mm Mauser projectile make the exact same diameter hole, right?

.22 Long Rifle and 5.56 make the same size hole as one another also.

[papa61]

1 hour ago, deerslayer said:

 

I completely agree - why lower your odds with a mouse gun?

I don't.
odds I'm carrying my "mouse gun" 99.99% - odds I'm carrying ANYTHING else 50/50
odds I will hit a vital area 99%
odds I'm using quality hollow point 100%
odds I'm carrying the one 9mm I own slim

I won't debate caliber effectiveness. I agree with @gregintenn if I expected to be in a gunfight I wouldn't carry a pistol. I'd remove myself from the scenario completely unless it was my home. And 380 ACP, 38spl, 357mag, 9mm, and 38 super all make the same hole with FMJ or LRN bullets. 

[papa61]

13 minutes ago, TGO David said:

.22 Long Rifle and 5.56 make the same size hole as one another also.

I have read that the first S&W rimfire revolver was quite popular with civil war soldiers who could get one. War would be the only place I would choose round count over concealability or a "better" caliber. 

[Grayfox54]

2 hours ago, deerslayer said:

 

I completely agree - why lower your odds with a mouse gun?

Because sometimes a mouse gun is the best for the circumstances. Sure, we'd all like to constantly carry a full size, major caliber gun all the time. But sometimes, it just ain't practical. 

For most of my adult life my EDC was a Colt Commander in .45acp. I've gotten old and my health ain't so good anymore. These days I find that a small frame, 5 shot .38 is much more practical for my everyday life style.  And sometimes, for like a quick trip to the store, just dropping a little .25 auto in my pocket is fine with me. 

[chances R]

1 hour ago, Grayfox54 said:

Because sometimes a mouse gun is the best for the circumstances. Sure, we'd all like to constantly carry a full size, major caliber gun all the time. But sometimes, it just ain't practical. 

For most of my adult life my EDC was a Colt Commander in .45acp. I've gotten old and my health ain't so good anymore. These days I find that a small frame, 5 shot .38 is much more practical for my everyday life style.  And sometimes, for like a quick trip to the store, just dropping a little .25 auto in my pocket is fine with me. 

and sometimes it is just an inconvience to go 'heavy' strapped, a quick pocket gun is better than no gun at all.

[gregintenn]

2 hours ago, TGO David said:

.22 Long Rifle and 5.56 make the same size hole as one another also.

And either would likely be better for fighting than the average handgun.

[deerslayer]

2 hours ago, papa61 said:

I don't.
odds I'm carrying my "mouse gun" 99.99% - odds I'm carrying ANYTHING else 50/50
odds I will hit a vital area 99%

I can't imagine a scenario where I can carry a mouse gun, but can't carry a small 9mm auto, BUT you'll never see me in the store wearing pajamas, swimming trunks, or jogging pants.  I think mouse guns can gradually erode basic carry discipline.  

 

2 hours ago, papa61 said:

And 380 ACP, 38spl, 357mag, 9mm, and 38 super all make the same hole with FMJ or LRN bullets. 

I don't know anyone who carries FMJ or LRN.  

[deerslayer]

2 hours ago, Grayfox54 said:

Because sometimes a mouse gun is the best for the circumstances. Sure, we'd all like to constantly carry a full size, major caliber gun all the time. But sometimes, it just ain't practical. 

For most of my adult life my EDC was a Colt Commander in .45acp. I've gotten old and my health ain't so good anymore. These days I find that a small frame, 5 shot .38 is much more practical for my everyday life style.  And sometimes, for like a quick trip to the store, just dropping a little .25 auto in my pocket is fine with me. 

I don't remember the last time I carried a "full size" gun; it's rarely necessary.  

[gregintenn]

3 minutes ago, deerslayer said:

 

 

I don't know anyone who carries FMJ or LRN.  

I do. Flat point FMJ.

[deerslayer]

36 minutes ago, chances R said:

and sometimes it is just an inconvience to go 'heavy' strapped, a quick pocket gun is better than no gun at all.

I agree, but nowadays, it's just about as easy to throw a small 9mm in the pocket as it is various .380s, .32s, .25s, etc.  

[deerslayer]

26 minutes ago, gregintenn said:

I do. Flat point FMJ.

I will pray for you my brother 

[Kywldcts]

.380 probably shouldn’t be your #1 choice given the availability of something more powerful and the ability to dress properly to conceal it, but that isn’t always how life works.  You cannot (or at least should not) base your life, all of your clothes, or your entire personality and existence around concealed carry.  I had never carried anything smaller than 9mm until I got my S&W Bodyguard 2.0 and it really changed my perspective.  
 

I wanted to be able to go on walks and carry and I wanted to wear sweatpants or gym shorts while I did it…and I wanted something that could be put in my pocket or clipped beltless than wasn’t a burden and didn’t weight down my pants.  I bought the Bodyguard 2.0 and fell in love with it…small and light, but still fits my hand well and can actually be aimed and shot comfortably.  Comparable sized 9mm (like the P365 or Hellcat) are still bigger, double the weight, and, while not unbearable, aren’t exactly fun to shoot in any way.  And something like the 442/642 is thicker, heavier, shorter barrel but bigger, awful “sights”, awful trigger, and 5 rounds.  
 

Like someone else said, it’s about trade offs.  A small .380 or a LCR in .22lr loaded with Federal Punch is better in your pocket while you run down to Shell to get gas for your lawn mower than your Glock 19 at home on your dresser because you’re in gym shorts.  Or even if you have on jeans and a belt and just want to go eat dinner being comfortable 16 ounces is always going to be more comfortable than 30+.  Some people want to carry the biggest gun they can all the time with extra mags and that’s fine, but if you go with odds and practicality you’re never, ever, ever going to pull or use your gun in self defense and even if you do the threat is not going to be expecting rounds coming at him at all.  Whatever you have in you should be adequate.  And this doesn’t even go into discussions about people who have trouble shooting larger calibers or maybe don’t have the strength to chamber a semi-auto round.  If all you can load and shoot well is a .22lr than get something reliable, load it with good ammo, and carry it proudly.